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Mueller Investigation Is Over / Part two are the trials. Hey Jack, I Was Right. 20 Plus Russians Charged, 19 Of Trumps People Convicted of Felonies.

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SHINYGOODGUY

Monday, March 25, 2019 10:55 AM

I agree Thg. This is not so simple a fix. What people are failing to understand is that many of the norms of our democracy have been scattered to
the four winds. Lady Liberty, holding up her torch of freedom, has been raped and left for dead. All in the name of GREED.

Mueller has completed his investigation without interviewing the president or his children. Also without charging or even indicting the president. No collusion, but no vindication either. Of course, there will be dancing in the
streets of the far right and his followers. But I will not succumb to the relentlessly asinine behavior of people totally gulping down the Kool-Aid.

Really, I came to expect this, especially when Barr was hand-delivered by Congress to the president. What else is new, the man literally wrote that
he would find in favor of the president, way before Mueller had even concluded
his findings. I am not surprised, although I heard that Trump's lawyers were -
especially Giuliani.

We need to resolve to ourselves that this is a sign of the times. Even as the
finding by Mueller is "found no collusion" but "we didn't exonerate" on obstruction, you will hear people say - "no collusion, no obstruction."
What we the people need is the full report, plain and simple. We need to hear
from Mueller, and Barr. How did he come to that conclusion, especially after
a nearly 2-year investigation, how is it that he came to his decision in light of the fact that Mueller deferred to DOJ in the final analysis. What went into his (Barr's) thinking? What were Mueller's thoughts and did Rosenstein just
go along with the AG.

Too many questions and too few answers. For now, Trump walks.

SGG

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Originally posted by THG:
Quote:
Originally posted by SHINYGOODGUY:

This is just the beginning.

Tick tock!

SGG

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Originally posted by THG:

Mueller handed in his report. We should start learning a few things this weekend.

tick tock

Yep, just a new phase of the investigation into Trump and his super corrupt administration. The rule of law is running it's course and that's what the trolls don't get.

They also don't get that they've exposed themselves as trolls who care nothing about the crimes exposed. They only talk about collusion. If conspiracy is not proven then to them Trump is somehow vindicated. That level of ignorance is off the charts.

tick tock

T

RUE

Monday, March 25, 2019 11:05 AM

Yep SGG, you have Trump dead to rights. Guilty of collusion before a verdict, or an arrest, or even an indictment. THAT'S American justice!

Do you think Mueller should be investigated now too, or what? After all, he must OBVIOUSLY be in SOMEbody's pocket!

SHINYGOODGUY

Monday, March 25, 2019 11:24 AM

To answer your question regarding "slimy tactics" the answer is NO.

SGG

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Originally posted by SIGNYM:
Oh of course, both parties are good at tactical obstruction or, even better, selective prosecution by our law and intelligence agencies for political purposes.

The question is, will you criticize the Democratic party when they engage in the same slimy tactics as Republicans?

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Pity would be no more,
If we did not MAKE men poor - William Blake

"The messy American environment, where most people don't agree, is perfect for people like me. I CAN DO AS I PLEASE." - SECOND

America is an oligarchy http://www.fireflyfans.net/mthread.aspx?tid=57876 .

SHINYGOODGUY

Monday, March 25, 2019 11:30 AM

Here, since you're so interested...

Quote:
To answer your question regarding "slimy tactics" the answer is NO.

SGG

Quote:
Originally posted by rue:
Quote:
Originally posted by SHINYGOODGUY:
My reply should be Benghazi, but I'll simply say: Why? Don't you think that the Republicans would take advantage were it about Obama? Stringing things out is their M.O.
Quote:
Originally posted by SIGNYM:
Oh of course, both parties are good at tactical obstruction or, even better, selective prosecution by our law and intelligence agencies for political purposes.

The question is, will you criticize the Democratic party when they engage in the same slimy tactics as Republicans?
It's a fair question and I'll be curious to see the outcome.

SHINYGOODGUY

Monday, March 25, 2019 11:32 AM

You've got to be fucking kidding me.

SGG

Quote:
Originally posted by rue:
Yep SGG, you have Trump dead to rights. Guilty of collusion before a verdict, or an arrest, or even an indictment. THAT'S American justice!

Do you think Mueller should be investigated now too, or what? After all, he must OBVIOUSLY be in SOMEbody's pocket!

SIGNYM

Monday, March 25, 2019 12:04 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by SHINYGOODGUY:
Here, since you're so interested...

Quote:
To answer your question regarding "slimy tactics" the answer is NO.

SGG

Quote:
Originally posted by rue:
Quote:
Originally posted by SHINYGOODGUY:
My reply should be Benghazi, but I'll simply say: Why? Don't you think that the Republicans would take advantage were it about Obama? Stringing things out is their M.O.
Quote:
Originally posted by SIGNYM:
Oh of course, both parties are good at tactical obstruction or, even better, selective prosecution by our law and intelligence agencies for political purposes.

The question is, will you criticize the Democratic party when they engage in the same slimy tactics as Republicans?
It's a fair question and I'll be curious to see the outcome.

So, to be clear, you won't crticize Dems for doing the same things that you criticize Repubs for? Is that right?

If it's true that you're willing to be such an openly amoral hypocrite, then you deserve everything that your unjust system will perpetuate.

But for the life of me I can't imagine how you could then think of yourself as "shiny" and "good".

-----------
Pity would be no more,
If we did not MAKE men poor - William Blake

"The messy American environment, where most people don't agree, is perfect for people like me. I CAN DO AS I PLEASE." - SECOND

America is an oligarchy http://www.fireflyfans.net/mthread.aspx?tid=57876 .

RUE

Monday, March 25, 2019 12:16 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by rue:
Yep SGG, you have Trump dead to rights. Guilty of collusion before a verdict, or an arrest, or even an indictment. THAT'S American justice!

Do you think Mueller should be investigated now too, or what? After all, he must OBVIOUSLY be in SOMEbody's pocket!

Quote:
Originally posted by SHINYGOODGUY:
You've got to be fucking kidding me.

SGG

I was going along with your joke.

Quote:
Originally posted by SHINYGOODGUY:
Mueller has completed his investigation without interviewing the president or his children. Also without charging or even indicting the president.
Really, I came to expect this, especially when Barr was hand-delivered by Congress to the president. What else is new, the man literally wrote that
he would find in favor of the president, way before Mueller had even concluded
his findings.
We need to hear
from Mueller, and Barr. How did he come to that conclusion, especially after
a nearly 2-year investigation ...

JEWELSTAITEFAN

Monday, March 25, 2019 12:18 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by SHINYGOODGUY:
I agree Thg. This is not so simple a fix. What people are failing to understand is that many of the norms of our democracy have been scattered to
the four winds. Lady Liberty, holding up her torch of freedom, has been raped and left for dead. All in the name of GREED.

Mueller has completed his investigation without interviewing the president or his children. Also without charging or even indicting the president. No collusion, but no vindication either. Of course, there will be dancing in the
streets of the far right and his followers. But I will not succumb to the relentlessly asinine behavior of people totally gulping down the Kool-Aid.

Really, I came to expect this, especially when Barr was hand-delivered by Congress to the president. What else is new, the man literally wrote that
he would find in favor of the president, way before Mueller had even concluded
his findings. I am not surprised, although I heard that Trump's lawyers were -
especially Giuliani.

We need to resolve to ourselves that this is a sign of the times. Even as the
finding by Mueller is "found no collusion" but "we didn't exonerate" on obstruction, you will hear people say - "no collusion, no obstruction."
What we the people need is the full report, plain and simple. We need to hear
from Mueller, and Barr. How did he come to that conclusion, especially after
a nearly 2-year investigation, how is it that he came to his decision in light of the fact that Mueller deferred to DOJ in the final analysis. What went into his (Barr's) thinking? What were Mueller's thoughts and did Rosenstein just
go along with the AG.

Too many questions and too few answers. For now, Trump walks.

SGG

Quote:
Originally posted:
Quote:
Originally posted by SHINYGOODGUY:
This is just the beginning.

Tick tock!

SGG
Quote:
Originally posted by THG:
Mueller handed in his report. We should start learning a few things this weekend.

tick tock

Yep, just a new phase of the investigation into Trump and his super corrupt administration. The rule of law is running it's course and that's what the trolls don't get.

They also don't get that they've exposed themselves as trolls who care nothing about the crimes exposed. They only talk about collusion. If conspiracy is not proven then to them Trump is somehow vindicated. That level of ignorance is off the charts.

tick tock

T

Somebody's head is exploding.

RUE

Monday, March 25, 2019 12:32 PM

As much as I loathed dubya, I never even considered that the FBI-CIA-NSA-DIA-DOJ-MI6 should collude in a coup to removed a Constitutionally elected US President. By the tempo of leaked, unverified accusations it was clear to me we were being "WMD'd" over .TRUMP.RUSSIA.ELECTION.COLLUSION. And as the investigation went on and the fish were smaller and less savory, it was obvious the barrel had been fished-out. What was going on was pretty obvious. After rolling out the accusations, Mueller was put in place to remove Trump.

The question is - did the people here actually believe that Trump colluded with Russia? Or were they so deranged by hate they were willing engage in an illegitimate dictatorial coup just to get rid of him?

JEWELSTAITEFAN

Monday, March 25, 2019 1:09 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by rue:
As much as I loathed dubya, I never even considered that the FBI-CIA-NSA-DIA-DOJ-MI6 should collude in a coup to removed a Constitutionally elected US President. By the tempo of leaked, unverified accusations it was clear to me we were being "WMD'd" over .TRUMP.RUSSIA.ELECTION.COLLUSION. And as the investigation went on and the fish were smaller and less savory, it was obvious the barrel had been fished-out. What was going on was pretty obvious. After rolling out the accusations, Mueller was put in place to remove Trump.

The question is - did the people here actually believe that Trump colluded with Russia? Or were they so deranged by hate they were willing engage in an illegitimate dictatorial coup just to get rid of him?

They knew Trump was innocent. They knew Flynn was, too.
That's why they did the whole entrapment and set-up attempts to try to fabricate sokething, all to cover up their crimes - or delay enough for the Statutes of Limitations to run out, which many of them have.
You should peruse some of the pertinent threads, like Nunes Memo, Grassley Memo, etc. The whole scam is explained in a couple places.

If they weren't pursuing illegitimate objectives, they would have put real lawyers,honest Prosecutors on the team, not those Crooks in Suits.