Boeing 737 Max

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RUE

Saturday, March 23, 2019 7:26 AM

SECOND'S opinions are one article deep.

SIGNYM

Saturday, March 23, 2019 8:25 AM

Less than one article. I swear to God he doesn't even read what he posts, just grabs the headline

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Pity would be no more,
If we did not MAKE men poor - William Blake

"The messy American environment, where most people don't agree, is perfect for people like me. I CAN DO AS I PLEASE." - SECOND

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SECOND

Saturday, March 23, 2019 4:20 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by SIGNYM:
Those required actions were in the AvE video.

Basically you have to shut off the power to the electronics. That supposes that you've adequately troubleshot the plane ... while falling like a stone from the sky... to realize that the trouble is in the software or electronics and not hydraulic or mechanical or even meteorological (microburst).

Signym, basically you are full of shit. Boeing pointed to long-established procedures that pilots use. That checklist tells pilots to switch off the two stabilizer trim cutout switches on the central console and then to adjust the aircraft’s stabilizers manually using trim wheels. See the youtube video, below, starting at 2:55 minutes.

Hey, Signym and rue/1kiki, tell me that it is illegal for the FBI to investigate Boeing. You two have claimed it is illegal in the same way for the FBI to investigate Trump:

Criminal investigations into the U.S. aviation industry are rare — in part because of the longstanding belief that a civil-enforcement system better promotes candid reporting of concerns without fear of criminal repercussions.

The FBI has joined the criminal investigation into the certification of the Boeing 737 MAX, lending its considerable resources to an inquiry already being conducted by U.S. Department of Transportation agents, according to people familiar with the matter. "The federal grand jury investigation, based in Washington, D.C., is looking into the certification process that approved the safety of the new Boeing plane, two of which have crashed since October.

The federal grand jury investigation, based in Washington, D.C., is looking into the certification process that approved the safety of the new Boeing plane, two of which have crashed since October.

The FBI’s Seattle field office lies in proximity to Boeing’s 737 manufacturing plant in Renton, as well as nearby offices of Boeing and Federal Aviation Administration (FAA) officials involved in the certification of the plane.

The investigation, which is being overseen by the U.S. Justice Department’s criminal division and carried out by the Transportation Department’s Inspector General, began in response to information obtained after a Lion Air 737 MAX 8 crashed shortly after takeoff from Jakarta on Oct. 29, killing 189 people, Bloomberg reported earlier this week, citing an unnamed source.

It has widened since then, The Associated Press reported this week, with the grand jury issuing a subpoena on March 11 for information from someone involved in the plane’s development, one day after the crash of an Ethiopian Airlines 737 MAX 8 near Addis Ababa that killed 157 people.

More at www.seattletimes.com/business/boeing-aerospace/fbi-joining-criminal-in
vestigation-into-certification-of-boeing-737-max/

Starting at 2:55 minutes: stabilizer malfunction on the simulator.

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly

6IXSTRINGJACK

Saturday, March 23, 2019 9:41 PM

Don't you herd cows old man? What do you know about planes?

Do Right, Be Right. :)

SECOND

Saturday, March 23, 2019 10:36 PM

This picture is a trimmable horizontal stabilizer. The electric motors that move the stabilizer killed two plane loads of 737 Max 8 passengers. The pilots would be alive today if they had the good sense to turn off those motors with the readily available switches and then use muscle power to adjust the stabilizer.

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/c/c1/Trimmable_horizonta
l_stabiliser.JPG

This is how it works:

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly

6IXSTRINGJACK

Saturday, March 23, 2019 11:17 PM

All I know about planes is that if you don't get on one, you can't die in one.

Served me well for going on 40 years.

My condolences to anyone who didn't know this. Whether they died at the hands of Corporate Greed through putting out faulty aircrafts knowingly, or Corporate Greed through putting a bunch of idiots in control of the planes that weren't trained enough to fly them.

Do Right, Be Right. :)

SIGNYM

Saturday, March 23, 2019 11:21 PM

Hey SECOND< you are, as usual, a lying sack of shit.

I never said it was "illegal" to investigate Trump. what WAS illegal was to withhold evidence from the judge granting the FISA warrant about the lack of credibility behind the "dossier" used to get the warrant. Another part that was illegal were the leaks about the "dossier", and other (baseless) anti-Trump allegations floating around. For all I know, the surveillance of Trump and dangling "oppo research" in front of his campaign team was a form of entrapment, ALSO illegal.

I've also said it was SELECTIVE and MALICIOUS POLITICALLY-MOTIVATED prosecution, which - while not technically illegal, certainly tells me that the the FBI, CIA, DOJ, NSA etc are NOT above politics, and reduces my confidence in these institutions greatly.

If you weren't such a tool and if you stopped obssessing about Trump, Texas Republicans and the GOP in general to the exclusion of everything else (like, yanno, facts) you might stop being a lying sack of shit.

But why am I arguing with a religious person? You have your delusions and nothing will shake them from you.

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Pity would be no more,
If we did not MAKE men poor - William Blake

"The messy American environment, where most people don't agree, is perfect for people like me. I CAN DO AS I PLEASE." - SECOND

America is an oligarchy http://www.fireflyfans.net/mthread.aspx?tid=57876 .

SECOND

Sunday, March 24, 2019 12:25 AM

Quote:
Originally posted by SIGNYM:

I've also said it was SELECTIVE and MALICIOUS POLITICALLY-MOTIVATED prosecution, which - while not technically illegal, certainly tells me that the the FBI, CIA, DOJ, NSA etc are NOT above politics, and reduces my confidence in these institutions greatly.

The grand jury and the ordinary jury exist to stop "selective and malicious politically-motivated prosecution" of Boeing or Trump. That is 2 dozen citizens volunteering to oversee prosecutors on each case. That's enough to keep it safe. Or do you think prosecutors need a third and fourth jury? A grander jury and the grandest jury in addition to the grand jury and the plain-vanilla jury?

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly

RUE

Sunday, March 24, 2019 4:16 AM

Quote:
Originally posted by SECOND:
The grand jury and the ordinary jury exist to stop "selective and malicious politically-motivated prosecution" of Boeing or Trump. That is 2 dozen citizens volunteering to oversee prosecutors on each case. That's enough to keep it safe. Or do you think prosecutors need a third and fourth jury? A grander jury and the grandest jury in addition to the grand jury and the plain-vanilla jury?

Do you accept that the process found nothing to indict Trump on?

SIGNYM

Sunday, March 24, 2019 4:25 AM

Well I noticed that SLOPPY SECONDS totally ignored the probable illegal aspects of the so- called "investigation" by the FBI.

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Pity would be no more,
If we did not MAKE men poor - William Blake

"The messy American environment, where most people don't agree, is perfect for people like me. I CAN DO AS I PLEASE." - SECOND

America is an oligarchy http://www.fireflyfans.net/mthread.aspx?tid=57876 .

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