Blood on their hands...?
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Originally posted by second:
Let’s recap the Republican proposals so far to reduce school gun massacres:
Arm teachers with handguns.
Turn our schools into hardened bunkers.
Stun grenades in every classroom.
More police officers patrolling the halls at all times.
Loosen gun laws so that more people in public are armed.
I could respect an argument that says gun rights are so important that it’s worth protecting them even at the price of more mass slaughters. But the Republican proposals are flat-out lunacy.
For the record, I don't support any of those measures.
Either that's yet another example of why I'm not a Republican or #NotAllRepublicans.
Pick one.
Do Right, Be Right. :)
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Quote:I think all those Republican proposals for reducing gun massacres are excellent, if the GOP were willing to pay the price. But every one of the proposals are state and local initiatives, with all costs paid locally. It is a smokescreen for GOP inaction on the national level. Delay long enough and the problem will go away. Soon enough, the Massacre will be forgotten. What was the name of that school? Marjory Stoneman Douglas or Mary Stone Davis or was it . . . ? When did this happen? What state . . . ?
Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:Quote:
Originally posted by second:
Let’s recap the Republican proposals so far to reduce school gun massacres:
Arm teachers with handguns.
Turn our schools into hardened bunkers.
Stun grenades in every classroom.
More police officers patrolling the halls at all times.
Loosen gun laws so that more people in public are armed.
I could respect an argument that says gun rights are so important that it’s worth protecting them even at the price of more mass slaughters. But the Republican proposals are flat-out lunacy.
For the record, I don't support any of those measures.
Either that's yet another example of why I'm not a Republican or #NotAllRepublicans.
Pick one.
The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly
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Google search returns - notice how many days ago these events took place:
Top stories
Lehigh County student allegedly threatened to 'shoot up' high school
lehighvalleylive.com · 2 days ago
Cheshire police arrest, charge high school student with threatening
Meriden Record-Journal · 9 hours ago
Cumberland student arrested after threatening to shoot up high school
WRAL.com · 2 days ago
More for high school students lives threatened:
Godby High School student arrested after threat to 'shoot up' school
https://www.usatoday.com/...high-school-student...threatening...high/3
58623002/
5 days ago - TALLAHASSEE, Fla. — A student at Tallahassee's Godby High School was arrested Wednesday after threatening to "shoot up" the school on an Instagram post, the Leon County Sheriff's Office said. Seventeen-year-old Travis Williams' post read, "I'm going to shoot up amos p godby I swear just wait on ...
Texas student charged after threatening to turn high school into ...
www.foxnews.com/.../texas-student-charged-after-threatening-to-turn-hi
gh-school-into-...
6 days ago - An 18-year-old student was arrested and charged Monday for threatening to turn his Texas high school into 'another Florida' after he was caught cheating on a test, police said. ... He was booked at the school Monday and charged with making a terroristic threat -- a felony -- while his ...
3 Long Beach high schools threatened with violence, 2 students arrested
http://abc7.com/3-long-beach-high-schools-threatened-with-violence...s
tudents.../3122316/
4 days ago - Long Beach police say they have responded to threats of violence at three separate high schools, resulting in the arrest of two teens. ... Long Beach police say they have responded to threats of violence at three separate high schools over the last two days, resulting in two teens ...
Schools threaten to punish students who join walkouts over gun ...
https://www.cnn.com/2018/02/21/us/student-walkout-punishment-trnd/inde
x.html
5 days ago - Students around the country are walking out of class to demand tougher gun laws in response to last week's deadly school shooting in Parkland, ... days and parent notes will not alleviate the discipline," Superintendent Curtis Rhodes said in a statement posted on the Needville High School Facebook page.
Student arrested for threatening violence against Pasco High School ...
https://www.abcactionnews.com/.../student-arrested-for-threatening-vio
lence-against-p...
5 days ago - Police arrested a Pasco High School student on Tuesday for threatening violence against the school.
There were a lot more. This is out of control. I'd home school if I had a child.
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http://www.orlandosentinel.com/news/breaking-news/os-central-florida-s
chool-safety-threats-20180222-story.html
Central Florida students face school-threat charges after Parkland tragedy
"In the week since a massacre at a South Florida high school claimed the lives of 17 people, more than a dozen children and teenagers have been arrested in Central Florida, accused of threatening local schools.
Authorities say they are taking a strict stance against such incidents, vowing to investigate and prosecute all threats — even when students later claim they were only joking. Several of the students arrested in the past week are facing felony charges.
“Let’s be clear: Their actions have serious consequences and will result in their arrest,” Casselberry Police Chief Larry Krantz said in a statement Thursday, after a 12-year-old girl was arrested as a suspect in threats against three Seminole County schools.
Authorities were made aware of threats the student posted online targeting Casselberry Elementary School, South Seminole Middle School and Sterling Park Elementary School, a police spokesperson said."
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Originally posted by second:Quote:I think all those Republican proposals for reducing gun massacres are excellent, if the GOP were willing to pay the price. But every one of the proposals are state and local initiatives, with all costs paid locally. It is a smokescreen for GOP inaction on the national level. Delay long enough and the problem will go away. Soon enough, the Massacre will be forgotten. What was the name of that school? Marjory Stoneman Douglas or Mary Stone Davis or was it . . . ? When did this happen? What state . . . ?
Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:Quote:
Originally posted by second:
Let’s recap the Republican proposals so far to reduce school gun massacres:
Arm teachers with handguns.
Turn our schools into hardened bunkers.
Stun grenades in every classroom.
More police officers patrolling the halls at all times.
Loosen gun laws so that more people in public are armed.
I could respect an argument that says gun rights are so important that it’s worth protecting them even at the price of more mass slaughters. But the Republican proposals are flat-out lunacy.
For the record, I don't support any of those measures.
Either that's yet another example of why I'm not a Republican or #NotAllRepublicans.
Pick one.
You think they're excellent???
You literally just said they are flat out lunacy. A point that I agreed with.
Do Right, Be Right. :)
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Seems the NRA is " profiting " with a surge in new memberships from all the ill conceived blame and hatred.
Thanks MSNBC and CNN!
Calling for boycotts of those who literally had no blame, what so ever... how's that working out for everyone ?
And those who sidle up w/ the anti NRA witch hunt ? ....
The Facts: Delta Gets Smacked by Georgia for Its NRA Rejection
https://www.themaven.net/theresurgent/erick-erickson/the-facts-delta-g
ets-smacked-by-georgia-for-its-nra-rejection-MXm5-8hYQE-AVJn32huNTw?full=1
Fathom the hypocrisy of a government that requires every citizen to prove they are insured... but not everyone must prove they are a citizen
I'm just a red pill guy in a room full of blue pill addicts.
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Parkland student Emma Gonzalez has more followers than NRA days after joining Twitter
A high school senior who survived the mass shooting at Majory Stoneman Douglas High School in Florida two weeks ago now has nearly twice as many followers on Twitter as the National Rifle Association.
https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/parkland-student-emma-gonzalez-has-m
ore-followers-than-nra-days-after-joining-twitter/ar-BBJCIyW?ocid=spartanntp
Try a new source rappy. The one you're using isn't quite right in the head.
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lol. Now there's an experiment in objectivity.
Do Right, Be Right. :)
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Originally posted by THGRRI:
Parkland student Emma Gonzalez has more followers than NRA days after joining Twitter
A high school senior who survived the mass shooting at Majory Stoneman Douglas High School in Florida two weeks ago now has nearly twice as many followers on Twitter as the National Rifle Association.
https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/parkland-student-emma-gonzalez-has-m
ore-followers-than-nra-days-after-joining-twitter/ar-BBJCIyW?ocid=spartanntp
Try a new source rappy. The one you're using isn't quite right in the head.
So, I guess the NRA isn't the ginormous, megalithic, all encompassing power that it's made out to be, right ? Because, like...omg ! Twitter !!
What's my ' source ' have to do w/ anything ? You can't deflect from the actual fact of what happened, can you ? Here in GA, because Delta decided to take action against completely innocent NRA, the GA legislature took a slap at crony capitalism, and chose NOT to renew its tax free status.
Actions have consequences, and Delta chose poorly.
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Quote:Those suggestions can't be lunacy because all of them came from wise old men of the GOP. Today Trump had another suggestion, which would require a time machine for him: Trump says he would run into Parkland high school “even if I didn’t have a weapon”. This isn’t the first time Trump has alluded to his own heroics.
Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:Quote:
Originally posted by second:Quote:I think all those Republican proposals for reducing gun massacres are excellent, if the GOP were willing to pay the price. But every one of the proposals are state and local initiatives, with all costs paid locally. It is a smokescreen for GOP inaction on the national level. Delay long enough and the problem will go away. Soon enough, the Massacre will be forgotten. What was the name of that school? Marjory Stoneman Douglas or Mary Stone Davis or was it . . . ? When did this happen? What state . . . ?
Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:Quote:
Originally posted by second:
Let’s recap the Republican proposals so far to reduce school gun massacres:
Arm teachers with handguns.
Turn our schools into hardened bunkers.
Stun grenades in every classroom.
More police officers patrolling the halls at all times.
Loosen gun laws so that more people in public are armed.
I could respect an argument that says gun rights are so important that it’s worth protecting them even at the price of more mass slaughters. But the Republican proposals are flat-out lunacy.
For the record, I don't support any of those measures.
Either that's yet another example of why I'm not a Republican or #NotAllRepublicans.
Pick one.
You think they're excellent???
You literally just said they are flat out lunacy. A point that I agreed with.
Do Right, Be Right. :)
In 2015, then-candidate Trump rallied a crowd at a campaign stop in Tennessee in the aftermath of a mass shooting at Umpqua Community College in Oregon.
Trump told the crowd that, as holder of a permit to carry a handgun in New York, an attacker would be “shocked” if he encountered him, and that he would act like Charles Bronson in the 1970s action film Death Wish. He egged the crowd to chant “Death Wish.” He also said that “today you can’t make that movie because it’s not politically correct.” (There’s actually a reboot set to premiere this week with Bruce Willis. www.imdb.com/title/tt1137450/ )
Trump also boasted about his permit to carry in New York at an early GOP debate, when responding to a question about that Oregon shooting. “I have a permit, which his very unusual in New York — a permit to carry,” he said during a CNBC debate in October 2015. “And I do carry on occasion. Sometimes, a lot. But I like to be unpredictable.”
Trump got his wish. Death Wish, the movie, this Friday at a theater near you. Bring your AR-15 to get free popcorn and a large drink!
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Trump got his wish. Death Wish, the movie, this Friday at a theater near you. Bring your AR-15 to get free popcorn and a large drink!
Remake of a 1973 movie, brought to you by the gun grabbing folks @ Hollywood.
#Hypocrisy
#Bloodontheirhands
#Anythingforabuck
Seriously, you think TRUMP just ordered this movie to be made ? And had it rushed to the screens, all over the country ? Are you TRULY this daft ? Has you TDS reached such epic levels ?
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Originally posted by second:Quote:Those suggestions can't be lunacy because all of them came from wise old men of the GOP.
Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:Quote:
Originally posted by second:Quote:I think all those Republican proposals for reducing gun massacres are excellent, if the GOP were willing to pay the price. But every one of the proposals are state and local initiatives, with all costs paid locally. It is a smokescreen for GOP inaction on the national level. Delay long enough and the problem will go away. Soon enough, the Massacre will be forgotten. What was the name of that school? Marjory Stoneman Douglas or Mary Stone Davis or was it . . . ? When did this happen? What state . . . ?
Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:Quote:
Originally posted by second:
Let’s recap the Republican proposals so far to reduce school gun massacres:
Arm teachers with handguns.
Turn our schools into hardened bunkers.
Stun grenades in every classroom.
More police officers patrolling the halls at all times.
Loosen gun laws so that more people in public are armed.
I could respect an argument that says gun rights are so important that it’s worth protecting them even at the price of more mass slaughters. But the Republican proposals are flat-out lunacy.
For the record, I don't support any of those measures.
Either that's yet another example of why I'm not a Republican or #NotAllRepublicans.
Pick one.
You think they're excellent???
You literally just said they are flat out lunacy. A point that I agreed with.
Do Right, Be Right. :)
Na, na, na...
I'm calling you out now. You've given two antithetical statements in one day about the same issue.
No bullshit. Where do you stand on the issue?
Do Right, Be Right. :)
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Quote:I own guns and rifles. Is it hypocritical for me to think other people should have less than me? Yes, it is. How much less? Copy the laws from some other nation, maybe Canada. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gun_laws_in_Canada
Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:
Na, na, na...
I'm calling you out now. You've given two antithetical statements in one day about the same issue.
No bullshit. Where do you stand on the issue?
Do Right, Be Right. :)
One gun law I would pass is that anyone, including Trump and Florida politicians, who says they would rush into a building where there was gunfire even if they were not armed is that they have to do just that. It is ridiculous to expect Paul Blart: Mal Cop to save students from assassination. It is very heroic if Blart does, but Trump and the Florida GOP politicians are evil to demand that from anyone but a SWAT team.
The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly
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Originally posted by second:
I own guns and rifles. Is it hypocritical for me to think other people should have less than me? Yes, it is. How much less? Copy the laws from some other nation, maybe Canada.
I don't know exactly what you mean here. Are you saying that you should also have less than you do?
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One gun law I would pass is that anyone, including Trump and Florida politicians, who says they would rush into a building where there was gunfire even if they were not armed is that they have to do just that. It is ridiculous to expect Paul Blart: Mal Cop to save students from assassination. It is very heroic if Blart does, but Trump and the Florida GOP politicians are evil to demand that from anyone but a SWAT team.
I agree with that. You'll never hear me saying that the cops should have rushed in. In fact, I said the exact opposite and that anybody who blames the cops at the school for not going in guns blazing has watched one too many movies.
I don't know about evil. It's stupid, for sure. Even if they were demanded by law to do so, most of them wouldn't do it.
Do Right, Be Right. :)
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Quote:I did not think of that, but now that you mention it, maybe I’ve got too many hunting rifles and shotguns. I prefer beef to venison, and never liked duck, and hate trophy heads of antelope, so hunting for food or show has lost its appeal. And my old hunting buddies are getting older, so hunting for socializing is slowly losing its appeal, one death at a time. And I’ve got stories about Obama-and-Hillary-haters killing themselves with their own guns in “hunting accidents”, maybe because of business and tax evasions, which has soured me on the notion that Republicans are generous and stable members of society, not greedy cheaters, liars, and crooks underneath their outward appearance of rectitude.
Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:Quote:
Originally posted by second:
I own guns and rifles. Is it hypocritical for me to think other people should have less than me? Yes, it is. How much less? Copy the laws from some other nation, maybe Canada.
I don't know exactly what you mean here. Are you saying that you should also have less than you do?
The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly
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I see. So now that you're personal circumstances and tastes have changed and it wouldn't put you out, you have no problem with it.
At least that's only half-hypocritical.
I'm ignoring the second half of the post since it's irrelevant to the conversation and the same could be said of many Democrats, Independents, Communists, Nazis, and those who eschew politics altogether.
Do Right, Be Right. :)
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Reports cast doubt on 'good guy with a gun' theory in mass shootings
Donohue told ABC News that the research “concluded that allowing citizens to carry handguns seems to increase violent crime 13 to 15 percent by the 10th year” of the laws being enacted in the state.
http://abcnews.go.com/US/breaking-nra-backed-theory-good-guy-gun-stops
/story?id=53360480
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meanwhile, in actual real stories, good guys( and gals ) w/ a gun save lives, all the damn time.
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Originally posted by AURaptor:
meanwhile, in actual real stories, good guys( and gals ) w/ a gun save lives, all the damn time.
Except at Parkland... or Newtown... or Las Vegas... or Orlando... or Blacksburg... or Sutherland, TX... or Killeen... or Austin... or... see a pattern? The deadliest mass shootings in US History and where were the good guys? Shooters don't wait or they aren't that stupid. We are the most well armed society on the planet but the only guns that matter are the ones the shooters have.
https://www.cnn.com/2013/09/16/us/20-deadliest-mass-shootings-in-u-s-h
istory-fast-facts/index.html
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All ' gun free ' zones...
Meanwhile -
http://www.foxnews.com/us/2015/05/03/police-shooting-at-muhammad-carto
on-contest-in-texas.html
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"All the damned time", so why did you haf to dig up a story from 3 yirz ago?
Plus, it wuz a cop, not a civilian gun toter.
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Trump signed a bill making it easier for people with mental illness to buy guns.
So did Gov. Rick Scott, he has an A+ rating from NRA. Fucking hypocrite.
Have you noticed how much backpedaling he's doing lately? I could see it in his eyes that fateful night 2 weeks ago.
Blood on their hands, indeed.
SGG
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Originally posted by second:Quote:Good morning, you braying 6ixJackass. Trump signed a bill making it easier for people with mental illness to buy guns.
Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:
Just some more anti-gun, SJW liberal rubbish.
Do Right, Be Right. :)
On February 28, 2017, Trump signed a law revoking an Obama-era regulatory initiative that made it harder for people with mental illness to buy a gun.
Yet despite this effort to roll back even a very modest effort to restrain the ability of seriously incapacitated people from obtaining deadly weapons, this morning Trump tweeted that there were “so many signs that the Florida shooter was mentally disturbed,” implying that someone should have done something to report him.
Donald J. Trump @realDonaldTrump
So many signs that the Florida shooter was mentally disturbed, even expelled from school for bad and erratic behavior. Neighbors and classmates knew he was a big problem. Must always report such instances to authorities, again and again!
6:12 AM - Feb 15, 2018
https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/964110212885106689
It’s Trump’s party — and Trump himself — who have consistently prevented the federal government from doing anything about this kind of situation. And 6ixStringJack with his: "Just some more anti-gun, SJW liberal rubbish."
www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/trump-signs-bill-revoking-obama-era-gun-c
hecks-people-mental-n727221
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For the record: Flat Out Lunacy the proposals be!
Here's a thought: why not gather all the nutjobs and scatter them throughout the country and start a manhunt. Put targets on the backs of the students, distribute AR-15s to all who want to be a shooter, and hand guns with 9 rounds to the "hunters" and see who wins.
Whoever wins, gets to move on to the next round of games, and so on. Of course, it will be televised and the audience can vote for:
Best Dressed (both targets and shooters)
Best Equipped (both shooters and hunters)
Best FBI Code Name
Best Politico Excuse
We could even have a NRA official unicycle shoot-out. We put an NRA Official (I vote for LapIere) running about on a unicycle, complete with target on his back and he has to run a course 1/4-mile long (with obstacles, including masacred bodies of students. Sort of like a gauntlet. Headshots are worth 100 points, Torso 50 points, a leg 25 points, a toe 5 points. Kill shot 1000 points.
Students, parents and guest stars with guns line up about 25 yards away along a line and shoot at the target on the unicycle. If the NRA official makes it across the 1/4-mile run, he gets to go to another high school at random and do it all over again. We keep doing that until we run out of NRA officials. (It seems only fair).
Let's see how long it takes for them to want to ban war-grade weapons of mass destruction then. Fucking douchebags.
Fun game, right!?
SGG
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Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:Quote:
Originally posted by second:
Let’s recap the Republican proposals so far to reduce school gun massacres:
Arm teachers with handguns.
Turn our schools into hardened bunkers.
Stun grenades in every classroom.
More police officers patrolling the halls at all times.
Loosen gun laws so that more people in public are armed.
I could respect an argument that says gun rights are so important that it’s worth protecting them even at the price of more mass slaughters. But the Republican proposals are flat-out lunacy.
For the record, I don't support any of those measures.
Either that's yet another example of why I'm not a Republican or #NotAllRepublicans.
Pick one.
Do Right, Be Right. :)
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Go Emma!
My new hero!
SGG
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Originally posted by THGRRI:
Parkland student Emma Gonzalez has more followers than NRA days after joining Twitter
A high school senior who survived the mass shooting at Majory Stoneman Douglas High School in Florida two weeks ago now has nearly twice as many followers on Twitter as the National Rifle Association.
https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/parkland-student-emma-gonzalez-has-m
ore-followers-than-nra-days-after-joining-twitter/ar-BBJCIyW?ocid=spartanntp
Try a new source rappy. The one you're using isn't quite right in the head.
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Show me!
SGG
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Originally posted by AURaptor:
meanwhile, in actual real stories, good guys( and gals ) w/ a gun save lives, all the damn time.
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Well put Capt. 300 Million guns, so what happened!?
Columbine had a good guy with a gun.
Parkland had a good guy with a gun.
Any questions!?
SGG
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Originally posted by captaincrunch:Quote:
Originally posted by AURaptor:
meanwhile, in actual real stories, good guys( and gals ) w/ a gun save lives, all the damn time.
Except at Parkland... or Newtown... or Las Vegas... or Orlando... or Blacksburg... or Sutherland, TX... or Killeen... or Austin... or... see a pattern? The deadliest mass shootings in US History and where were the good guys? Shooters don't wait or they aren't that stupid. We are the most well armed society on the planet but the only guns that matter are the ones the shooters have.
https://www.cnn.com/2013/09/16/us/20-deadliest-mass-shootings-in-u-s-h
istory-fast-facts/index.html
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I say this is a job for the "A" Team......cue music!
I've heard there's been exactly one instance where a marine actually shot a shooter. Not sure where, but I heard tell. (I'll check into it).
http://www.bing.com/videos/search?q=marine+shoots+a+shooter&view=d
etail&mid=240C26DE6AE0FF38B61D240C26DE6AE0FF38B61D&FORM=VIRE
This could be it.
SGG
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Originally posted by AURaptor:
meanwhile, in actual real stories, good guys( and gals ) w/ a gun save lives, all the damn time.
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" Trump signed a bill making it easier for people with mental illness to buy guns."
Lie
* Quick answer, it is a known distortion of the fact. Don't have the time now, but this false story is a favorite of the left. Further, this is a common practice of the left. Put out half truths or out right lies and claim somebody on the right did something. Idiotic distortions like this waste time and do nothing to advance the real issue. It just infuriates people and makes it impossible to have a reasonable discussion's.
Fathom the hypocrisy of a government that requires every citizen to prove they are insured... but not everyone must prove they are a citizen
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Quote:Guns, immigration show cultural chasm
Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:
I see. So now that you're personal circumstances and tastes have changed and it wouldn't put you out, you have no problem with it.
At least that's only half-hypocritical.
www.nationalreview.com/2018/02/changing-stances-guns-immigration-refle
ct-cultural-political-shift/
Bernie Sanders is an intriguing example of how political and cultural currents swirl around us. He won his first bid for Congress in 1990 in part because he received the full-throated endorsement of the National Rifle Association. Sanders, the former mayor of Burlington, Vermont, was noncommittal on an assault-weapons ban while his GOP opponent, Peter Smith, flip-flopped and came out in favor of a ban.
“It is not about Peter Smith vs. Bernie Sanders,” the NRA's Wayne LaPierre explained. “It is about integrity in politics.”
This history was just one reason why it was amusing to listen to LaPierre at the Conservative Political Action Conference last week railing against the “socialists” determined to grab everyone's guns. The man who helped launch Bernie Sanders, the most prominent American socialist, suddenly thinks socialism is an existential threat to liberty.
What's going on?
On the immigration front: Democrats are increasingly invested in permissive policies in large part because they've bought into the theory that diverse populations are their key to electoral victories going forward. In dialectic fashion, Republicans are increasingly invested in restrictive policies in large part because they're chasing after ever-larger segments of the white vote.
As for firearms: Democrats passed an assault-weapons ban in September 1994. Even Bill Clinton credited that decision as one of the chief reasons the GOP took back the House two months later.
True or not, the more important consequence was that gun rights increasingly became a partisan issue, and the NRA had little choice but to become an adjunct of the GOP. The dynamic became centrifugal, with Democrats and Republicans becoming ever more defined by the issue.
All of these changes were driven by facts on the ground. To listen to Democrats, Republicans support gun rights because the NRA tells them to. In reality, Republicans support gun rights because their voters tell them to, just as Democratic voters tell their representatives the opposite.
But guns and immigration are not simply drivers of polarization, they are examples of its power. Politics has become a lifestyle, part of the “Big Sort” driving so much in our culture. That's why the NRA's marketing these days has so little to do with gun policy and so much to do with cultural resentments.
These days, if you're a Democrat, you're likely to be a down-the-line Democrat on a host of unrelated issues. Same if you're a Republican. Like our representatives, many of us won't buck party orthodoxy on any matter of importance.
Liberals such as Sanders have talked about “two Americas” for generations, but they worked on the assumption that this divide was class-based. It's not. It's cultural, and the divide is becoming a chasm.
Goldberg is an editor-at-large of National Review Online and a visiting fellow at the American Enterprise Institute. Email him at JonahsColumn@aol.com.
Quote:The editorial says that guns are a cultural signifier for Democrats vs Republicans. Not that I matter, but guns are for killing deer and people and I place all the emphasis on the "killing" word. I understand the stunted thinking of voters who own guns as signifiers of "freedom" and "protection", but that isn't thinking clearly. When you own a gun, you have not purchased "freedom" a
Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:
I'm ignoring the second half of the post since it's irrelevant to the conversation and the same could be said of many Democrats, Independents, Communists, Nazis, and those who eschew politics altogether.
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Originally posted by second:
The editorial says that guns are a cultural signifier for Democrats vs Republicans. Not that I matter, but guns are for killing deer and people and I place all the emphasis on the "killing" word. I understand the stunted thinking of voters who own guns as signifiers of "freedom" and "protection", but that isn't thinking clearly. When you own a gun, you have not purchased "freedom" and "protection". You only purchased "killing".
Read a history book. The "freedom" that you and I enjoy at one time required a lot of killing. Call me a pessimist, but I don't believe that is set in stone forever. Neither did the people who wrote what GWB called "That Goddamned Piece of Paper".
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Obviously, if you are an incompetent shooter when under pressure, all you purchased is "wounding" or "missing" your targeted kill, human or deer. You only bought yourself a noise machine, a boom stick. That is why the AR-15 was invented: it makes incompetent shooters into killers by the mathematical probability of killing when many, many rounds are fired randomly. The AR-15 was never engineered to bring "freedom" and "protection". It is plainly only about "killing".
I have a handgun that I've owned for over 7-8 years and never fired. I could walk into an office and get my conceal and carry today and walked strapped almost wherever I go in the state. I chose not to because I'm not an idiot.
It's sad that idiots have to ruin it for the rest of us.
It is in my home, for protection. I might not be a sharpshooter, but if I was being robbed I could just point the damn thing at a low trajectory and fire it without even seeing who was in my house and whoever it was would scatter quick. .45's aren't a joke.
I'm the only person with a key to my house, and the deadbolts lock with a key from both sides. If somebody is inside of it after I've locked it and I didn't open the door for them, they don't belong here.
Do Right, Be Right. :)
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Quote:I did read a history book: Lincoln freed the slaves at the cost of 785,000–1,000,000+ dead. The Parliament of the United Kingdom freed the slaves and death toll was zero. Do you see the difference when guns are used to bring "freedom"? Guns are for killing, not for bringing "freedom".
Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:Quote:Read a history book. The "freedom" that you and I enjoy at one time required a lot of killing. Call me a pessimist, but I don't believe that is set in stone forever. Neither did the people who wrote what GWB called "That Goddamned Piece of Paper".
Originally posted by second:
The editorial says that guns are a cultural signifier for Democrats vs Republicans. Not that I matter, but guns are for killing deer and people and I place all the emphasis on the "killing" word. I understand the stunted thinking of voters who own guns as signifiers of "freedom" and "protection", but that isn't thinking clearly. When you own a gun, you have not purchased "freedom" and "protection". You only purchased "killing".
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/American_Civil_War
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Slavery_Abolition_Act_1833
The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly
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Trump had Democrats cheering in his bipartisan gun control meeting.
www.vox.com/2018/2/28/17064120/trump-gun-control-meeting-congress-expl
ained
“You’re scared of the NRA,” President Donald Trump declared in a room of lawmakers Wednesday during a meeting on guns that pushed Republican priorities to the sidelines and had Democrats in the room cheering.
A bipartisan group of legislators met in the White House to try to make headway on gun law reforms in the wake of the deadly shooting at a Parkland, Florida, high school that left 17 dead and injured more than a dozen others.
Throughout the hour, Trump often veered into uncomfortable territory for Republicans and at times broke with his party altogether, reiterating support for policies many in his conservative base have taken issue with.
At one point, he said some in the group were “petrified” of the national gun lobby and sided with Democratic Sens. Dianne Feinstein (CA) and Amy Klobuchar’s (MN) proposals over those of Majority Whip Steve Scalise (R-LA) and Rep. John Rutherford (R-FL).
In the televised meeting, which felt a lot like the freewheeling discussion Trump held on immigration last month, the president called for a bill that was “powerful” on background checks and that would address mental illness and possibly raise the age limit for buying assault rifles from 18 years old to 21. He also repeatedly stated support for beefing up armed security at schools and getting rid of “gun-free zones.”
In all, it was an undeniable call for comprehensive gun control — something Republicans have been wary of touching.
“I like that word, comprehensive,” Trump said. “They say it is a bad word. I like the word. I would rather have a comprehensive bill. ... It would be really nice to create something that’s beautiful.”
Whether this discussion will actually yield legislation — and whether Trump sticks to the positions he supported in the meeting — remains to be seen.
Only last month, many of these same lawmakers listened to Trump publicly support compromise immigration legislation, only to have his administration derail every bipartisan proposal put forward. Trump said he wants to be the president that gets gun reform passed through Congress. It’s not yet clear if that will translate into helping Congress pass a bill.
The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly
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Originally posted by second:Quote:I did read a history book: Lincoln freed the slaves at the cost of 785,000–1,000,000+ dead. The Parliament of the United Kingdom freed the slaves and death toll was zero. Do you see the difference when guns are used to bring "freedom"? Guns are for killing, not for bringing "freedom".
Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:Quote:Read a history book. The "freedom" that you and I enjoy at one time required a lot of killing. Call me a pessimist, but I don't believe that is set in stone forever. Neither did the people who wrote what GWB called "That Goddamned Piece of Paper".
Originally posted by second:
The editorial says that guns are a cultural signifier for Democrats vs Republicans. Not that I matter, but guns are for killing deer and people and I place all the emphasis on the "killing" word. I understand the stunted thinking of voters who own guns as signifiers of "freedom" and "protection", but that isn't thinking clearly. When you own a gun, you have not purchased "freedom" and "protection". You only purchased "killing".
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/American_Civil_War
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Slavery_Abolition_Act_1833
The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly
A nice story. Too bad it's a fairy tale.
Do Right, Be Right. :)
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Quote:Is it a fairy tale that the American Civil War was fought with guns and the death toll was a million? Or is it a fairy tale that the Parliament of the United Kingdom purchased the slaves rather than kill with guns the owners? The Slavery Abolition Act compensated slave-owners. The amount of money to be spent on the compensation claims was set at "the Sum of Twenty Million Pounds Sterling". In 1833, £20 million amounted to approximately 5% of the British GDP.
Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:
A nice story. Too bad it's a fairy tale.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Slavery_Abolition_Act_1833
The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly
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Originally posted by second:Quote:Is it a fairy tale that the American Civil War was fought with guns and the death toll was a million? Or is it a fairy tale that the Parliament of the United Kingdom purchased the slaves rather than kill with guns the owners? The Slavery Abolition Act compensated slave-owners. The amount of money to be spent on the compensation claims was set at "the Sum of Twenty Million Pounds Sterling". In 1833, £20 million amounted to approximately 5% of the British GDP.
Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:
A nice story. Too bad it's a fairy tale.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Slavery_Abolition_Act_1833
I didn't know this second. Very enlightening post. The fact that Jack thinks you're lying, and says so without researching it for himself, further proves what we claim to be true about him. Troll...dummy...
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Quote:I think the Civil War was fought over money.
Originally posted by THGRRI:Quote:
Originally posted by second:Quote:Is it a fairy tale that the American Civil War was fought with guns and the death toll was a million? Or is it a fairy tale that the Parliament of the United Kingdom purchased the slaves rather than kill with guns the owners? The Slavery Abolition Act compensated slave-owners. The amount of money to be spent on the compensation claims was set at "the Sum of Twenty Million Pounds Sterling". In 1833, £20 million amounted to approximately 5% of the British GDP.
Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:
A nice story. Too bad it's a fairy tale.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Slavery_Abolition_Act_1833
I didn't know this second. Very enlightening post. The fact that Jack thinks you're lying, and says so without researching it for himself, further proves what we claim to be true about him. Troll...dummy...
Quote:Unlike the British Parliament, the American Congress was too cheap and stingy to buy the slaves. And then who would do the work if there were no slaves? The Cotton Planters sure didn't want to pay their field hands a living wage. The century after the Civil War proved they didn't want to pay blacks more than the very minimum to keep them alive. Antebellum Southerners much rather preferred shooting a Yankee in glorious war than working in their own dusty fields picking cotton that made the South wealthy.
By 1860, there were more millionaires (slaveholders all) living in the lower Mississippi Valley than anywhere else in the United States. In the same year, the nearly 4 million American slaves were worth some $3.5 billion, making them the largest single financial asset in the entire U.S. economy, worth more than all manufacturing and railroads combined.
www.theatlantic.com/business/archive/2014/06/slavery-made-america/3732
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I lived all my life in the South and I know what makes Southerners tick, why they own guns, what goes on inside their heads. It's not pretty and it makes them Republicans.
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Originally posted by second:
I lived all my life in the South and I know what makes Southerners tick, why they own guns, what goes on inside their heads. It's not pretty and it makes them Republicans.
I want this stitched onto a nice throw pillow.
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Quote:Stitch this: “I like taking the guns early. Take the guns first, go through due process second.” -Trump
Originally posted by captaincrunch:Quote:
Originally posted by second:
I lived all my life in the South and I know what makes Southerners tick, why they own guns, what goes on inside their heads. It's not pretty and it makes them Republicans.
I want this stitched onto a nice throw pillow.
www.motherjones.com/kevin-drum/2018/03/donald-trump-goes-off-the-deep-
end-on-gun-legislation/
The NRA was right: the president really does want to take away your guns. But it’s President Trump, not President Obama, who wants to do it.
And he wants to do it without bothering about due process. In a single sentence, he’s managed to alienate both conservatives and liberals. There’s literally no one who supports this idea. This is the craziest shit we’ve seen from Trump since—oh, a few days ago, I suppose. The problem—aside from Trump being Trump—is that he has no one to consult about what kind of proposal might have a chance to gain Republican support if he pushes hard enough. That’s because there’s probably no one in the White House who supports even the tiniest shred of gun safety legislation. So Trump is on his own, causing chaos for his own party and guaranteeing that nothing will get done.
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Quote:Stitch this: “I like taking the guns early. Take the guns first, go through due process second.” -Trump
Originally posted by second:
I want this stitched onto a nice throw pillow.
That'd make for a fine set - almost no one's doing that ("Zeitgeiss Throw Pillows") plus t-shirts are fake news now.
How 'bout you put this on a t-shirt:
https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/he-disarmed-possible-church-shoot
er-then-police-arrived-shot-him-n851816?cid=sm_npd_nn_tw_ma
He disarmed a possible church shooter — then the police arrived and shot him
by TIM STELLOH
"Tony Garces was still reeling from his injuries on Tuesday, nearly two weeks after he disarmed a possible church shooter in Amarillo, Texas — and was then shot by police.
Speaking to NBC News by phone from his hospital room at Heart Hospital of Northwest Texas, Garces, 54, said that he was admitted to the emergency room on Monday with a blood clot in his lung.
On the morning of Feb. 14 — the same day as the Florida school shooting that killed 17 kids and teachers — Garces wrestled a handgun away from a man who had entered the chapel at Faith City Mission and threatened to hold church attendees hostage."
Gun madness. I keep thinking of Kaylee, "It's right there... I'm pointing right at it."
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2 fatally shot at Central Michigan University dorm; suspected gunman still at large, police say
https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/2-fatally-shot-at-central-michigan-u
niversity-dorm-suspected-gunman-still-at-large-police-say/ar-BBJMOr1?li=BBmkt5R&ocid=spartanntp
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Russian banker said he met Trump through NRA
The Russian banker under scrutiny for money transfers to the National Rifle Association said the organization helped him meet President Trump.
Alexander Torshin, a deputy head of Russia’s central bank, is one of his country's strongest supporters of the NRA, even hosting dinners for an American delegation that came to Moscow in 2015.
A report earlier this year said federal investigators were looking into whether his payments to the group were funneled towards Trump’s election as part of what Fusion GPS investigator Glenn Simpson said was a “very concerted effort” by Russian officials to get in with the gun lobby
http://www.nydailynews.com/news/national/russian-banker-met-trump-nra-
article-1.3850535
The NRA contributed 34 million to Trumps campaign.
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Fusion GPS investigator Glenn Simpson said...
Please, stop ! The propaganda and dirt collecting arm of the DNC has ZERO credibility.
None.
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Quote:The RAND Corp has credibility. A new, huge review of gun research has bad news for the NRA.
Originally posted by AURaptor:
Please, stop ! The propaganda and dirt collecting arm of the DNC has ZERO credibility.
None.
On the gun control front, there’s moderate evidence that background checks reduce suicide and violent crime, limited evidence that prohibitions associated with mental illness reduce suicide, moderate evidence that those prohibitions reduce violent crime, and supportive evidence that child-access prevention laws reduce suicides and unintentional injuries and deaths.
Meanwhile, there’s limited evidence that concealed carry laws increase violent crime and unintentional injuries and deaths. And there’s moderate evidence that “stand your ground” laws — NRA-backed measures that expand when someone can use a gun or other weapons to defend himself — increase violent crime.
If you put this all together, it suggests that restrictive laws seem to lead to fewer gun deaths, while the permissive laws seem to lead to more gun deaths.
That’s not enough for nonpartisan researchers at RAND to make sweeping conclusions, but it’s certainly suggestive — particularly for policymakers interested in finding solutions to America’s gun violence problem.
www.vox.com/policy-and-politics/2018/3/2/17050610/guns-shootings-studi
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Pass all the laws you want, conduct as many studies as your money can fund, it doesn't matter 1 damn bit if law enforcement refuses, ( I suspect intentionally so ) to follow up and react to overt red flags like we had in Parkland, and other shootings.
Guns aren't going anywhere, as there'll never be a repeal of the 2nd Amendment.
" shall not be infringed "
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If you put this all together, it suggests that restrictive laws seem to lead to fewer gun deaths, while the permissive laws seem to lead to more gun deaths.
Chicago says " hi ! " .
Fathom the hypocrisy of a government that requires every citizen to prove they are insured... but not everyone must prove they are a citizen
I'm just a red pill guy in a room full of blue pill addicts.
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It is very apparent by rappys response to the debate about gun laws that rappy still believes everyone is try to take away his guns. Therefore I want it on the record that I believe him to be ignorant of the facts concerning this topic.
In other words, he's a dummy...
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AURaptor, there have been 850,000 gun deaths, but it would take only about 850 more deaths to prove you wrong. If 50 gunmen killed 17 students in each of the 50 states over the next 12 months for a total of 850 dead, I think Trump and the Republicans in Congress could be motivated to change their minds about guns. The massacres would have to be no fewer nor more than one per week or else those Republicans, with their very weak memories, would forget it was happening. Since 700 are dead per week, 17 more is not that big of an increase, but it sure would make a difference if it was happening in a weekly school massacre. But what happens for Christmas and New Years when the schools are closed? The massacre moves to the multi-cinema and continues motivating our elected representatives in government to solve this problem.
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Originally posted by AURaptor:
Pass all the laws you want, conduct as many studies as your money can fund, it doesn't matter 1 damn bit if law enforcement refuses, ( I suspect intentionally so ) to follow up and react to overt red flags like we had in Parkland, and other shootings.
Guns aren't going anywhere, as there'll never be a repeal of the 2nd Amendment.
" shall not be infringed "Quote:
If you put this all together, it suggests that restrictive laws seem to lead to fewer gun deaths, while the permissive laws seem to lead to more gun deaths.
Chicago says " hi ! " .
The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly
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Quote:FYI in Dec 2015 Michael L. Funk successfully defended himself and others being held hostage (and signalled the owner to stay out of the hostage arena) by gunman Brian Flatoff, only to emerge from the harrowing incident and be shot dead by Police. This was at a Harley shop in Neenah, WI.
Originally posted by captaincrunch:Quote:Stitch this: “I like taking the guns early. Take the guns first, go through due process second.” -Trump
Originally posted by second:
I want this stitched onto a nice throw pillow.
How 'bout you put this on a t-shirt:
https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/he-disarmed-possible-church-shoot
er-then-police-arrived-shot-him-n851816?cid=sm_npd_nn_tw_ma
He disarmed a possible church shooter — then the police arrived and shot him
by TIM STELLOH
"Tony Garces was still reeling from his injuries on Tuesday, nearly two weeks after he disarmed a possible church shooter in Amarillo, Texas — and was then shot by police.
Speaking to NBC News by phone from his hospital room at Heart Hospital of Northwest Texas, Garces, 54, said that he was admitted to the emergency room on Monday with a blood clot in his lung.
On the morning of Feb. 14 — the same day as the Florida school shooting that killed 17 kids and teachers — Garces wrestled a handgun away from a man who had entered the chapel at Faith City Mission and threatened to hold church attendees hostage."
Currently the original gunman is starting his murder trial, representing himself after firing his first 10 lawyers.
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It Took the NRA One Day to Crush President Trump’s Gun Reforms
At a televised meeting on Wednesday with lawmakers, Mr. Trump had endorsed a Senate proposal to significantly expand background checks on gun sales and said he wanted to see sales of some firearms restricted to people who were 21 or older. He also suggested some guns be taken away from people without due process. All of these stances run counter to the positions of the NRA, the nation’s largest gun-rights organization.
On Thursday night Trump met with the NRA. So what was announced Friday?
White House press secretary Sarah Huckabee Sanders told reporters Friday morning Mr. Trump now considers a federal increase in the minimum age as likely unrealistic….On background checks, Ms. Sanders dialed back the president’s stance. He is seeking “not necessarily universal background checks, but certainly improving the background-check system. He wants to see what that legislation, the final piece of it looks like,” she said.
That didn’t take long for Trump to flipflop.
www.motherjones.com/kevin-drum/2018/03/it-took-the-nra-one-day-to-demo
lish-president-trumps-gun-reforms/
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U.S. media outlets ran more than 7,900 stories online about the Parkland shooting, 17 dead, in the two weeks after the shooting.
That compares with nearly 2,600 stories about the Sutherland Springs shooting, 26 dead, about 4,200 stories on the Las Vegas shooting, 58 dead, and nearly 4,500 stories about the San Bernardino shooting, 14 dead, all in a period of two weeks.
The only shooting that showed more online stories in the subsequent two weeks was Orlando at 8,097 and 49 dead.
In the wake of the Parkland shooting, there has been more coverage focusing on policy discussions compared with the shooting in Las Vegas, in which 58 people were killed. While there was some discussion over outlawing “bump stock” devices after Las Vegas, there was much less talk of an assault-weapons ban or other solutions-oriented discussions.
www.washingtonpost.com/news/wonk/wp/2018/03/02/the-parkland-shooting-i
s-different-the-news-coverage-proves-it/?utm_term=.fb32d42e9016
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2 fatally shot at Central Michigan University dorm; suspected gunman still at large, police say
https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/2-fatally-shot-at-central-michigan-u
niversity-dorm-suspected-gunman-still-at-large-police-say/ar-BBJMOr1?li=BBmkt5R&ocid=spartanntp
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The Central Michigan University student wanted in connection with Friday's shooting deaths of his parents has been arrested, authorities said.
James Eric Davis, 19, was apprehended just after midnight Saturday, an officer with Mount Pleasant Public Safety told Detroit's Fox 2.
http://heavyeditorial.files.wordpress.com/2018/03/james-eric-davis-jr.
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Originally posted by THGRRI:
It is very apparent by rappys response to the debate about gun laws that rappy still believes everyone is try to take away his guns. Therefore I want it on the record that I believe him to be ignorant of the facts concerning this topic.
In other words, he's a dummy...
Not everyone, which is a great relief. Just the idiots on the Left who have no gorram clue of what they speak when it comes to the issue of " gun control"
( Hint: The above is not an AR 15 )
@second - I'm not wrong. Guns haven't killed anyone. Those misusing them, illegally , have.
It's just an object...
Fathom the hypocrisy of a government that requires every citizen to prove they are insured... but not everyone must prove they are a citizen
I'm just a red pill guy in a room full of blue pill addicts.
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Quote:AURaptor, imagine River holding a knife instead of a bent stick. Or better yet, imagine if Superman gathered all firearms and dropped them into the sun. I think knife stabbing deaths will NOT increase by 11,000 per year to compensate for the decrease in gun deaths. Americans are squeamish and there aren’t that many that would knife their victims in the style of The Operative. But the only way to find out what American murderers will actually do is to have fewer shootings and see if knifing increases to match decreased shootings.
Originally posted by AURaptor:
@second - I'm not wrong. Guns haven't killed anyone. Those misusing them, illegally , have.
It's just an object...
Number of murder victims in the United States in 2016, by weapon
* marks guns
* 7,105 Handguns
* 3,077 Firearms, type not stated
1,604 Knives or cutting instruments
903 Other weapons or weapons not stated
656 Personal weapons (hands, fists, feet, etc.)
472 Blunt objects (clubs, hammers, etc.)
* 374 Rifles
* 262 Shotguns
* 186 Other guns
114 Narcotics
107 Fire
98 Strangulation
91 Asphyxiation
11 Poison
9 Drowning
1 Explosives
www.statista.com/statistics/195325/murder-victims-in-the-us-by-weapon-
used/
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Over 1/2 the 'victims' are suicides. Might want to remember that when tossing those #'s around.
Still don't care. 2nd Amendment isn't going anywhere.
Want to save lives ? Ban abortions and cars , while you're at it. FAR more deaths w/ those than firearms.
Fathom the hypocrisy of a government that requires every citizen to prove they are insured... but not everyone must prove they are a citizen
I'm just a red pill guy in a room full of blue pill addicts.
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Gunz no good for cutting down treez:
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DUZ XaT SEM RiT TQ YQ? - Jubal Early
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Originally posted by AURaptor:
Pass all the laws you want, conduct as many studies as your money can fund, it doesn't matter 1 damn bit if law enforcement refuses, ( I suspect intentionally so ) to follow up and react to overt red flags like we had in Parkland, and other shootings.
I asked you before what specifically/legally could they have done? I don't believe FLA - being the rabid NRA chicken sh*t state that it is - has any provisions for removing guns from even obvious psychos until after they use them. "Does that make sense to you?" That's why there was nothing done - see how that works? A > B > C > D...
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Originally posted by AURaptor:
Guns aren't going anywhere, as there'll never be a repeal of the 2nd Amendment.
Fine. Cars aren't either and neither will the common sense laws we have on how to use them nor the registration process for using them, like we should have with guns. I'm guessing it's not legal to drive a 50 cal mounted Hummvee through the streets either, right? Pesky common sense laws! Growing up sucks!
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Chicago says " hi ! "
Great example of too many illegal guns, thanks!
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Quote:AURaptor, you are wrong about 1/2 the victims being suicides, because the numbers were for only murder. www.statista.com/statistics/195325/murder-victims-in-the-us-by-weapon-
Originally posted by AURaptor:
Over 1/2 the 'victims' are suicides. Might want to remember that when tossing those #'s around.
Want to save lives ? Ban abortions and cars , while you're at it. FAR more deaths w/ those than firearms.
used/
AURaptor, while you are at it, why not pass a law requiring the Federal Government to cure cancer, heart attack and stroke within the next 75 years? The Federally funded medical research effort would cost less than the $15 Trillion spent on nukes, missile-subs, missiles, and bombers over the previous 75 years and there be more to show for all the money spent. When was the last time Moscow was nuked? Never. When was the last time 1,000 Americans died of a cancer? Last week. That's what I mean by having something to show for all the money spent.
Quote:The actual reason for the 2nd Amendment vanished when slavery vanished. To make a long story short, some famous slave-owning Southerners from the history books demanded a 2nd Amendment to prevent Northerners from freeing Southern slaves by taking away the guns of the Slave Patrols, also known as Militias.
Originally posted by AURaptor:
Still don't care. 2nd Amendment isn't going anywhere.
www.truth-out.org/news/item/13890-the-second-amendment-was-ratified-to
-preserve-slavery
The Second Amendment has an odd word choice, but for a very practical reason for the time it was passed: “A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed." It says "State" instead of "United States"or "Country" (the framers knew the difference -- see the 10th Amendment "The powers not delegated to the United States by the Constitution, nor prohibited by it to the States, are reserved to the States respectively, or to the people." )
The real reason the Second Amendment was ratified was to preserve the slave patrol militias in the southern states, which was necessary to get Virginia's vote. Founders Patrick Henry, George Mason and James Madison were totally clear on that, and we all should be too.
In the beginning, there were the militias. In the South, they were also called the "slave patrols," and they were regulated by the states.
In Georgia, for example, a generation before the American Revolution, laws were passed in 1755 and 1757 that required all plantation owners or their male white employees to be members of the Georgia Militia, and for those armed militia members to make monthly inspections of the quarters of all slaves in the state. The law defined which counties had which armed militias and even required armed militia members to keep a keen eye out for slaves who may be planning uprisings.
The Georgia statutes required patrols, under the direction of commissioned militia officers, to examine every plantation each month and authorized them to search 'all Negro Houses for offensive Weapons and Ammunition'.
It's the answer to the question raised by the character played by Leonardo DiCaprio in Django Unchained when he asks, "Why don't they just rise up and kill the whites?" If the movie were real, it would have been a purely rhetorical question, because every southerner of the era knew the simple answer: Well regulated militias kept the slaves in chains.
If there was not a 2nd Amendment, the anti-slavery folks in the North could disband those southern militias. And, similarly, if the North were to invite into military service the slaves of the South, then they could be emancipated, which would collapse the institution of slavery, and the southern economic and social systems, altogether.
These two possibilities worried southerners like James Monroe, George Mason (who owned more than 300 slaves
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Fairytale about southern slave owners & the 2nd Amendment
* was slavery and the potential for violence rebellion a consideration? Sure, that was the real world in which the founders lived. A system which existed long before they considered breaking away from the crown. It was unreasonable for them to consider solving every major problem they faced at once. Their main concern in forming a new nation was to separate itself from the old world, and to form a government which best protected the freedoms of its citizens.
I'm not wrong on the # of gun deaths being 1/2 or more comprised of suicides.
Fathom the hypocrisy of a government that requires every citizen to prove they are insured... but not everyone must prove they are a citizen
I'm just a red pill guy in a room full of blue pill addicts.
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Quote:FYI in Dec 2015 Michael L. Funk successfully defended himself and others being held hostage (and signalled the owner to stay out of the hostage arena) by gunman Brian Flatoff, only to emerge from the harrowing incident and be shot dead by Police. This was at a Harley shop in Neenah, WI.
Originally posted by JEWELSTAITEFAN:Quote:
Originally posted by captaincrunch:Quote:Stitch this: “I like taking the guns early. Take the guns first, go through due process second.” -Trump
Originally posted by second:
I want this stitched onto a nice throw pillow.
How 'bout you put this on a t-shirt:
https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/he-disarmed-possible-church-shoot
er-then-police-arrived-shot-him-n851816?cid=sm_npd_nn_tw_ma
He disarmed a possible church shooter — then the police arrived and shot him
by TIM STELLOH
"Tony Garces was still reeling from his injuries on Tuesday, nearly two weeks after he disarmed a possible church shooter in Amarillo, Texas — and was then shot by police.
Speaking to NBC News by phone from his hospital room at Heart Hospital of Northwest Texas, Garces, 54, said that he was admitted to the emergency room on Monday with a blood clot in his lung.
On the morning of Feb. 14 — the same day as the Florida school shooting that killed 17 kids and teachers — Garces wrestled a handgun away from a man who had entered the chapel at Faith City Mission and threatened to hold church attendees hostage."
Currently the original gunman is starting his murder trial, representing himself after firing his first 10 lawyers.
On the other hand, I have not heard of a skyrocketing increase of crimes in Kennesaw, GA.
Perhaps the MSM is hiding this news from us.
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Quote:Before the Bill of Rights was added, AURaptor, there was substantial opposition to the new Constitution because it moved the power to arm the state militias from the states to the federal government. This created a fear that the federal government, by neglecting the upkeep of the militia, could have overwhelming military force at its disposal through its power to maintain a standing army and navy, leading to a confrontation with the states, even a military takeover of a state. That is no Fairytale, AURaptor.
Originally posted by AURaptor:
Fairytale about southern slave owners & the 2nd Amendment
I'm not wrong on the # of gun deaths being 1/2 or more comprised of suicides.
Technology moved on in the last 200 years, AURaptor, and the Federal government could take down a whole state, even if all the state's citizens had both an AR-15 and a black powder flintlock rifle to "defend freedom" against Washington DC. The 2nd Amendment, as it was written, does not give you the right to radar controlled anti-aircraft guns, which are the guns you'd need to take on the Federal Government in the 21st Century. Maybe James Monroe should have mentioned anti-aircraft weapons and shoulder launched Stinger missiles in the 2nd amendment for the defense of freedom?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Second_Amendment_to_the_United_States_Co
nstitution#Ratification_debates
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Quote:The Baker Act in Florida empowers 4 Categories of officials to remove weapons and/or hold people. Police are one of those. And the Community Activist Sheriff Israel did intentionally refuse to act, instead negotiating a "no arrest" contract with the school.
Originally posted by captaincrunch:Quote:I asked you before what specifically/legally could they have done? I don't believe FLA - being the rabid NRA chicken sh*t state that it is - has any provisions for removing guns from even obvious psychos until after they use them. "Does that make sense to you?" That's why there was nothing done - see how that works? A > B > C > D...
Originally posted by AURaptor:
Pass all the laws you want, conduct as many studies as your money can fund, it doesn't matter 1 damn bit if law enforcement refuses, ( I suspect intentionally so ) to follow up and react to overt red flags like we had in Parkland, and other shootings.
Quote:Great example of the strictest Gun Control Laws in the land generating "too many illegal guns" which you just confirmed, thanks. These same Laws are also what encourage the worst Murder Rate for many years running. But hey, they are only Black Lives, so that is why Obama, Emanual, BLM, and Democraps don't care, because they'll never vote anyhow.Quote:Fine. Cars aren't either and neither will the common sense laws we have on how to use them nor the registration process for using them, like we should have with guns. I'm guessing it's not legal to drive a 50 cal mounted Hummvee through the streets either, right? Pesky common sense laws! Growing up sucks!
Originally posted by AURaptor:
Guns aren't going anywhere, as there'll never be a repeal of the 2nd Amendment.Quote:Great example of too many illegal guns, thanks!
Originally posted by AURaptor:
Chicago says " hi ! "
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Quote:Obama's FBI reported 17,250 Homicides in 2016. 765 in Chicago.
Originally posted by second:Quote:AURaptor, imagine River holding a knife instead of a bent stick. Or better yet, imagine if Superman gathered all firearms and dropped them into the sun. I think knife stabbing deaths will NOT increase by 11,000 per year to compensate for the decrease in gun deaths. Americans are squeamish and there aren’t that many that would knife their victims in the style of The Operative. But the only way to find out what American murderers will actually do is to have fewer shootings and see if knifing increases to match decreased shootings.
Originally posted by AURaptor:
@second - I'm not wrong. Guns haven't killed anyone. Those misusing them, illegally , have.
It's just an object...
Number of murder victims in the United States in 2016, by weapon
* marks guns
* 7,105 Handguns
* 3,077 Firearms, type not stated
1,604 Knives or cutting instruments
903 Other weapons or weapons not stated
656 Personal weapons (hands, fists, feet, etc.)
472 Blunt objects (clubs, hammers, etc.)
* 374 Rifles
* 262 Shotguns
* 186 Other guns
114 Narcotics
107 Fire
98 Strangulation
91 Asphyxiation
11 Poison
9 Drowning
1 Explosives
www.statista.com/statistics/195325/murder-victims-in-the-us-by-weapon-
used/
Other Stat reports:
https://www.justice.gov/opa/pr/fbi-releases-2016-report-crime-united-s
tates
https://ucr.fbi.gov/crime-in-the-u.s/2016/crime-in-the-u.s.-2016/table
s/expanded-homicide-data-table-4.xls
https://ucr.fbi.gov/crime-in-the-u.s/2016/crime-in-the-u.s.-2016/table
s/table-12
Florida seems to be missing from this one:
https://www.statista.com/statistics/195331/number-of-murders-in-the-us
-by-state/
https://fivethirtyeight.com/features/a-handful-of-cities-are-driving-2
016s-rise-in-murders/
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Originally posted by second:Quote:Before the Bill of Rights was added, AURaptor, there was substantial opposition to the new Constitution because it moved the power to arm the state militias from the states to the federal government. This created a fear that the federal government, by neglecting the upkeep of the militia, could have overwhelming military force at its disposal through its power to maintain a standing army and navy, leading to a confrontation with the states, even a military takeover of a state. That is no Fairytale, AURaptor.
Originally posted by AURaptor:
Fairytale about southern slave owners & the 2nd Amendment
I'm not wrong on the # of gun deaths being 1/2 or more comprised of suicides.
Non of that which I stated remotely mirrors what you just said. And repeating my name for effect doesn't in the least bit make your point any more valid.
Quote:
Technology moved on in the last 200 years, AURaptor, and the Federal government could take down a whole state, even if all the state's citizens had both an AR-15 and a black powder flintlock rifle to "defend freedom" against Washington DC. The 2nd Amendment, as it was written, does not give you the right to radar controlled anti-aircraft guns, which are the guns you'd need to take on the Federal Government in the 21st Century. Maybe James Monroe should have mentioned anti-aircraft weapons and shoulder launched Stinger missiles in the 2nd amendment for the defense of freedom?
Technology isn't the issue. Militias carry " weapons of war ", be it 1787 or 2018. THAT'S THE GORRAM POINT ! Not fer shootin' at squirrels or target practice at the range.
You attempt to swerve the topic of discussion to the patently absurd w/ your ' radar controlled AA gun ' nonsense. And the defense of the country comes from threats foreign AND domestic, not just " The Federal Gov't ". Though it's clear, the way many in D.C. are acting, it's in direct contrast to the needs and wants of many freedom loving Americans.
Fathom the hypocrisy of a government that requires every citizen to prove they are insured... but not everyone must prove they are a citizen
I'm just a red pill guy in a room full of blue pill addicts.
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Quote:I will swerve the discussion a little more with this declaration: Republicans are really comfortable about murdering people. That declaration seems a little extreme, doesn't it? Do I have a pile of dead bodies to justify that Republicans are comfortable with murder? Actually, all I have is a pile of words:
Originally posted by AURaptor:
Technology isn't the issue. Militias carry " weapons of war ", be it 1787 or 2018. THAT'S THE GORRAM POINT ! Not fer shootin' at squirrels or target practice at the range.
You attempt to swerve the topic of discussion to the patently absurd w/ your ' radar controlled AA gun ' nonsense. And the defense of the country comes from threats foreign AND domestic, not just " The Federal Gov't ". Though it's clear, the way many in D.C. are acting, it's in direct contrast to the needs and wants of many freedom loving Americans.
Why Does Sen. Lindsey Graham Think Killing Millions of Koreans Would Be “Worth It”?
https://theintercept.com/2018/03/06/why-do-u-s-politicians-think-killi
ng-millions-of-koreans-would-be-worth-it/
“All the damage that would come from a war [with North Korea] would be worth it in terms of long-term stability and national security,” Republican Sen. Lindsey Graham said in an interview with CNN last week.
What would that “damage” look like? Whether nuclear or non-nuclear, multiple studies and surveys of experts suggest millions of innocent North Koreans, South Koreans, and Japanese could be killed in such a conflict, making the wars in Syria, Iraq, and Afghanistan look like minor skirmishes in comparison.
Top U.S. officials seem to agree. Listen to Defense Secretary James Mattis, speaking to CBS News in May 2017: “A conflict in North Korea … would be probably the worst kind of fighting in most people’s lifetimes.”
Listen to Gen. Joseph Dunford, the chair of the Joint Chiefs of Staff, speaking at the Aspen Security Forum in July 2017: “It would be a loss of life unlike any we have experienced in our lifetimes. Anyone who has been alive since World War II has never seen the loss of life that could occur if there’s a conflict on the Korean peninsula.”
Yet Graham, a former Air Force colonel and self-styled GOP “moderate,” thinks this unprecedented “loss of life” — millions of innocent men, women, and children shot, bombed, burned, starved, and gassed to death — would be “worth it.”
*****
It is easy to understand why Republicans are not worried about a few thousand Americans being murdered per year with guns. Republicans are not worried about murdering Koreans by the millions, which makes a few thousand Americans shot dead by guns per year seem like it is no big deal.
Luckily, the Koreans are not dead, yet. It is only a potential pile of dead bodies. The article does mention that Democrats have their own very real pile of dead bodies that they were comfortable about killing, which means there are a few blood-thirsty Democrats worse than the typical Republican. It is nothing to be proud of.
The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly
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Florida lawmakers pass new gun laws after Parkland shooting
http://www.msnbc.com/stephanie-ruhle/watch/florida-lawmakers-pass-new-
gun-laws-after-parkland-shooting-1180270659856
Hey rappy, oops.
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That's not really gun laws man... and it's not really something to celebrate.
Around $60 million of that $400 million is going to go to psych evaluations and firearms training for part time teachers and coaches. It also allows ROTCs to handle firearms inside of schools. For some reason, the only full time teachers that will be able to carry firearms are those with previous military service. These individuals aren't being forced to carry a firearm. It is an opt-in program at every level.
You should actually read where that $400 million is going to go.
This is not something to celebrate from where I stand.
Do Right, Be Right. :)
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Senate bill to toughen gun background checks now filibuster-proof
March 9 (UPI) -- A bipartisan Senate bill to toughen background checks for gun purchases has enough support to bypass a potential filibuster, Texas Sen. John Cornyn said Friday.
Cornyn's office said six more Democratic senators have signed on as co-sponsors, bringing the total to 62 -- over the threshold avert a filibuster.
The bill, called the Fix NICS Act, improves the National Instant Background Check System and ensures that authorities report all criminal records to a central database.
https://www.upi.com/Top_News/US/2018/03/09/Senate-bill-to-toughen-gun-
background-checks-now-filibuster-proof/2351520614628/
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The Veterans Home in Yountville, California is on lockdown after reports of shots fired and a hostage situation. NBC's Katy Tur and Miguel Almaguer report.
http://www.msnbc.com/msnbc/watch/report-shots-fired-at-veterans-home-i
n-california-1181847619601
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I remember the good old days when it was me and the Democrats fighting against GWB and the Patriot Act and Central Databases and the like.
Funny how easily a decade can change everything.
Do Right, Be Right. :)
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Quote:FYI in Dec 2015 Michael L. Funk successfully defended himself and others being held hostage (and signalled the owner to stay out of the hostage arena) by gunman Brian Flatoff, only to emerge from the harrowing incident and be shot dead by Police. This was at a Harley shop in Neenah, WI.
Originally posted by JEWELSTAITEFAN:Quote:
Originally posted by captaincrunch:Quote:Stitch this: “I like taking the guns early. Take the guns first, go through due process second.” -Trump
Originally posted by second:
I want this stitched onto a nice throw pillow.
How 'bout you put this on a t-shirt:
https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/he-disarmed-possible-church-shoot
er-then-police-arrived-shot-him-n851816?cid=sm_npd_nn_tw_ma
He disarmed a possible church shooter — then the police arrived and shot him
by TIM STELLOH
"Tony Garces was still reeling from his injuries on Tuesday, nearly two weeks after he disarmed a possible church shooter in Amarillo, Texas — and was then shot by police.
Speaking to NBC News by phone from his hospital room at Heart Hospital of Northwest Texas, Garces, 54, said that he was admitted to the emergency room on Monday with a blood clot in his lung.
On the morning of Feb. 14 — the same day as the Florida school shooting that killed 17 kids and teachers — Garces wrestled a handgun away from a man who had entered the chapel at Faith City Mission and threatened to hold church attendees hostage."
Currently the original gunman is starting his murder trial, representing himself after firing his first 10 lawyers.
Flatoff was convicted of 14 counts.
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In Move That Surprises No One, Trump Caves In to NRA
This is such a shocker:
The White House on Sunday vowed to help provide “rigorous firearms training” to some schoolteachers and formally endorsed a bill to tighten the federal background checks system, but it backed off President Trump’s earlier call to raise the minimum age to purchase some guns to 21 years old from 18 years old.
….The Trump plan does not include substantial changes to gun laws….Rather, the president is establishing a Federal Commission on School Safety, to be chaired by Education Secretary Betsy DeVos.
….The White House plan released Sunday does not address the minimum age for gun purchases. Pressed by reporters about the apparent backtracking, a senior administration official said the age issue was “a state-based discussion right now” and would be explored by DeVos’s commission.
Who could have guessed that Trump would cave in to the NRA after all his tough talk? That is, other than everyone?
www.washingtonpost.com/politics/white-house-vows-to-help-arm-teachers-
and-backs-off-raising-age-for-buying-guns/2018/03/11/14da0c8e-253a-11e8-bc72-077aa4dab9ef_story.html
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Originally posted by second:
In Move That Surprises No One, Trump Caves In to NRA
This is such a shocker:
The White House on Sunday vowed to help provide “rigorous firearms training” to some schoolteachers and formally endorsed a bill to tighten the federal background checks system, but it backed off President Trump’s earlier call to raise the minimum age to purchase some guns to 21 years old from 18 years old.
….The Trump plan does not include substantial changes to gun laws….Rather, the president is establishing a Federal Commission on School Safety, to be chaired by Education Secretary Betsy DeVos.
….The White House plan released Sunday does not address the minimum age for gun purchases. Pressed by reporters about the apparent backtracking, a senior administration official said the age issue was “a state-based discussion right now” and would be explored by DeVos’s commission.
Who could have guessed that Trump would cave in to the NRA after all his tough talk? That is, other than everyone?
Yep - like a swiss watch. That's what a $30 million NRA contribution will get you.
Time to show we can make sensible changes without Trump - obviously we can't look to him for anything but sound bites and tweets.
https://momsdemandaction.org
https://everytown.org/throwthemout/
Again, I suggest listening to Preet Baharara's podcast, the one with Shannon Watts (I've listened to 3 so far - all good - "Sanity for the Masses" I'd call it).
The Red Flag law is simple common sense and Watts & Co. are working state by state to have it become part of each state's sensible gun laws.
http://wapo.st/2p7BG1P
"SINCE LAST month’s high school massacre in Parkland, Fla., attention has focused on lapses by the FBI, which failed to act on tips that the alleged shooter, Nikolas Cruz, posed an imminent danger. It’s also the case that neighbors, teachers, classmates, acquaintances and local authorities were aware that Mr. Cruz was armed and potentially dangerous, a fact that President Trump noted the day after the killing spree. “Must always report such instances to authorities, again and again!” he tweeted.
What the president failed to mention is that state law in Florida, as in all but a handful of states, provides no legal procedure that would have allowed people close to Mr. Cruz, or even law enforcement, to ask a court to order the immediate confiscation of his weapons — even if they presented alarming evidence. As Broward County Sheriff Scott Israel told the Miami Herald, “We can’t arrest for something a person is thinking about.”
In fact, whether or not Congress adds muscle to gun laws — and it should, by banning military-style weapons, enacting universal background checks and raising the minimum age of firearms purchase to 21 — states need not be impotent in the face of credible threats. Five states — California, Connecticut, Indiana, Washington and Oregon — have enacted “red-flag” laws that empower relatives and close friends, as well as law enforcement officers, to ask judges to issue “gun violence restraining orders.” Had such a recourse been available in Florida, it’s possible that the Parkland rampage could have been averted."
Of course, raising the age of legal purchase for all guns from 18 to 21 would be huge (25 even better).
"People under 25 are responsible for a disproportionate amount of America’s gun violence. According to data collected by the FBI, nearly 50 percent of all gun homicides are committed by people younger than 25. Most of those perpetrators are 18 to 24."
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Quote:Are you lying again to Fans of Firefly? Or do you post only lies in links?
Originally posted by captaincrunch:Quote:Yep - like a swiss watch.
Originally posted by second:
In Move That Surprises No One,
The White House on Sunday vowed to help provide “rigorous firearms training” to some schoolteachers and formally endorsed a bill to tighten the federal background checks system,
….The Trump plan does not include substantial changes to gun laws….Rather, the president is establishing a Federal Commission on School Safety, to be chaired by Education Secretary Betsy DeVos.
Who could have guessed that Trump would cave in to the NRA after all his tough talk? That is, other than everyone?
https://momsdemandaction.org
https://everytown.org/throwthemout/
http://wapo.st/2p7BG1P
"SINCE LAST month’s high school massacre in Parkland, Fla., attention has focused on lapses by the FBI, which failed to act on tips that the alleged shooter, Nikolas Cruz, posed an imminent danger. It’s also the case that neighbors, teachers, classmates, acquaintances and local authorities were aware that Mr. Cruz was armed and potentially dangerous, a fact that President Trump noted the day after the killing spree. “Must always report such instances to authorities, again and again!” he tweeted.
What the president failed to mention is that state law in Florida, as in all but a handful of states, provides no legal procedure that would have allowed people close to Mr. Cruz, or even law enforcement, to ask a court to order the immediate confiscation of his weapons — even if they presented alarming evidence. As Broward County Sheriff Scott Israel told the Miami Herald, “We can’t arrest for something a person is thinking about.”
In fact, whether or not Congress adds muscle to gun laws — and it should, by banning military-style weapons, enacting universal background checks and raising the minimum age of firearms purchase to 21 — states need not be impotent in the face of credible threats. Five states — California, Connecticut, Indiana, Washington and Oregon — have enacted “red-flag” laws that empower relatives and close friends, as well as law enforcement officers, to ask judges to issue “gun violence restraining orders.” Had such a recourse been available in Florida, it’s possible that the Parkland rampage could have been averted."
The Baker Act in Florida addresses these issues. Lying to us that it doesn't will not further your Fake cause.
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Originally posted by JEWELSTAITEFAN:
Are you lying again to Fans of Firefly? Or do you post only lies in links?
The Baker Act in Florida addresses these issues. Lying to us that it doesn't will not further your Fake cause.
Are you lying about me lying to Fans of Firefly, or posting only lies in links?
How about posting specifics - then I can address your concerns specifically.
A quick read of The Baker Act makes it look like it could have been used - so why wasn't it? Law enforcement negligence? It didn't meet all the criteria? It was for only 72 hours? He was already seeing a Dr.?
Btw - the Baker Act looks like a watered down Red Flag law, so it would be acceptable in Florida, right?
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How do you add images here? The "instructions" don't work.
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Quote:This might help: www.fireflyfans.net/mthread.aspx?tid=53343
Originally posted by reaverfan:
How do you add images here? The "instructions" don't work.
The title is "Testing of Posting Images here. :)"
The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly
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This year looks to be about on track with 2015 and 2017.
Sadly, but expectedly, Trump is courting his base.
So anyway ... anyone up for a rational, fact-based, and civil discussion about the topic?
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Originally posted by 1kiki:
Quote:Looks like Obama was highly successful in ramping that up. Was this Obama project called Fasterer and Furiouser?
This year looks to be about on track with 2015 and 2017.
Sadly, but expectedly, Trump is courting his base.
So anyway ... anyone up for a rational, fact-based, and civil discussion about the topic?
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Quote:So, you posting lies is the Fault of Everybody Else?
Originally posted by captaincrunch:Quote:Are you lying about me lying to Fans of Firefly, or posting only lies in links?
Originally posted by JEWELSTAITEFAN:
Are you lying again to Fans of Firefly? Or do you post only lies in links?
The Baker Act in Florida addresses these issues. Lying to us that it doesn't will not further your Fake cause.
How about posting specifics - then I can address your concerns specifically.
A quick read of The Baker Act makes it look like it could have been used - so why wasn't it? Law enforcement negligence? It didn't meet all the criteria? It was for only 72 hours? He was already seeing a Dr.?
Btw - the Baker Act looks like a watered down Red Flag law, so it would be acceptable in Florida, right?
Is the underlying concept of just being honest totally foreign to you?
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Originally posted by JEWELSTAITEFAN:Quote:So, you posting lies is the Fault of Everybody Else?
Originally posted by captaincrunch:Quote:Are you lying about me lying to Fans of Firefly, or posting only lies in links?
Originally posted by JEWELSTAITEFAN:
Are you lying again to Fans of Firefly? Or do you post only lies in links?
The Baker Act in Florida addresses these issues. Lying to us that it doesn't will not further your Fake cause.
How about posting specifics - then I can address your concerns specifically.
A quick read of The Baker Act makes it look like it could have been used - so why wasn't it? Law enforcement negligence? It didn't meet all the criteria? It was for only 72 hours? He was already seeing a Dr.?
Btw - the Baker Act looks like a watered down Red Flag law, so it would be acceptable in Florida, right?
Is the underlying concept of just being honest totally foreign to you?
I honestly have no clue what the hell you are talking about about 80% of the time, and I have no interest, patience or time to figure it out. Cheers.
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Quote:Exhibit #523 of your response to reality impugning your delusions.
Originally posted by captaincrunch:Quote:I honestly have no clue what the hell you are talking about about 80% of the time, and I have no interest, patience or time to figure it out. Cheers.
Originally posted by JEWELSTAITEFAN:Quote:So, you posting lies is the Fault of Everybody Else?
Originally posted by captaincrunch:Quote:Are you lying about me lying to Fans of Firefly, or posting only lies in links?
Originally posted by JEWELSTAITEFAN:
Are you lying again to Fans of Firefly? Or do you post only lies in links?
The Baker Act in Florida addresses these issues. Lying to us that it doesn't will not further your Fake cause.
How about posting specifics - then I can address your concerns specifically.
A quick read of The Baker Act makes it look like it could have been used - so why wasn't it? Law enforcement negligence? It didn't meet all the criteria? It was for only 72 hours? He was already seeing a Dr.?
Btw - the Baker Act looks like a watered down Red Flag law, so it would be acceptable in Florida, right?
Is the underlying concept of just being honest totally foreign to you?
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shooting is reported at a high school in St. Mary's County, Maryland, the sheriff's department says.
https://www.msn.com/en-us/video/news/reports-of-shots-fired-at-marylan
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Quote:Today in Maryland, teen Austin Rollins shot at others in Great Mills High School.
Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:
That's not really gun laws man... and it's not really something to celebrate.
Around $60 million of that $400 million is going to go to psych evaluations and firearms training for part time teachers and coaches. It also allows ROTCs to handle firearms inside of schools. For some reason, the only full time teachers that will be able to carry firearms are those with previous military service. These individuals aren't being forced to carry a firearm. It is an opt-in program at every level.
You should actually read where that $400 million is going to go.
This is not something to celebrate from where I stand.
Do Right, Be Right. :)
Why has this not been blasted throughout the day by MSM? What part does not fit the Libtard narrative?
Because it was stopped when School Resource Officer, Deputy Blaine Gaskill, engaged and shot Rollins. Rollins did not shoot anybody else, because he was too busy firing a shot at Deputy Gaskill.
What stops a bad guy with a gun? A good guy with a gun.
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We spend a lot of time and money making "safe spaces" at colleges for grown adults who have been babied all of their lives from bullies, but we can't make school actual safe spaces from bullets?
We don't need guns in schools, period. We didn't need them in the 90's and we don't' need them now. We need to ask ourselves what is different about society today and how to fix it.
It's not right for kids to have to grow up in schools where they know their teachers are armed. That's fucked. Once that goes on for a while it won't be long before we end up having jobs where the management is armed. Grown ass adults trying to do their jobs and having to deal with management that is calling the shots under the threat of having a gun.
Do Right, Be Right. :)
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Quote:Well now. Having management being Veterans. That is something I haven't heard mentioned before. Could be a step to improve society, along the lines of Heinlein.
Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:
We spend a lot of time and money making "safe spaces" at colleges for grown adults who have been babied all of their lives from bullies, but we can't make school actual safe spaces from bullets?
We don't need guns in schools, period. We didn't need them in the 90's and we don't' need them now. We need to ask ourselves what is different about society today and how to fix it.
It's not right for kids to have to grow up in schools where they know their teachers are armed. That's fucked. Once that goes on for a while it won't be long before we end up having jobs where the management is armed. Grown ass adults trying to do their jobs and having to deal with management that is calling the shots under the threat of having a gun.
Do Right, Be Right. :)
One part of the story also absent was how the School Resource Officer was not an Untrainable Teacher. 14-year-olds and younger can be trained to accurately shoot and handle a weapon, but Untrainable Teachers proclaim they cannot latch on to the learning curve of children.
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Originally posted by JEWELSTAITEFAN:Quote:Well now. Having management being Veterans. That is something I haven't heard mentioned before. Could be a step to improve society, along the lines of Heinlein.
Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:
We spend a lot of time and money making "safe spaces" at colleges for grown adults who have been babied all of their lives from bullies, but we can't make school actual safe spaces from bullets?
We don't need guns in schools, period. We didn't need them in the 90's and we don't' need them now. We need to ask ourselves what is different about society today and how to fix it.
It's not right for kids to have to grow up in schools where they know their teachers are armed. That's fucked. Once that goes on for a while it won't be long before we end up having jobs where the management is armed. Grown ass adults trying to do their jobs and having to deal with management that is calling the shots under the threat of having a gun.
Do Right, Be Right. :)
One part of the story also absent was how the School Resource Officer was not an Untrainable Teacher. 14-year-olds and younger can be trained to accurately shoot and handle a weapon, but Untrainable Teachers proclaim they cannot latch on to the learning curve of children.
That's fucking terrifying. The idea of going to work while your managers all have guns.
I can't tell if you're joking or not.
If you aren't, I'm finished with this conversation, because I'm speaking with a crazy person.
I'll admit, I'm not getting the Heinlein bit. I'm not all that familiar with his works. It sounds as if he was borderline Communist in his youth and was later considered a Conservative by many, although he considered himself Libertarian. His political views over the course of his life and writing career pretty much spanned the entire spectrum, so I don't get your reference.
Do Right, Be Right. :)
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Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:
If you aren't, I'm finished with this conversation, because I'm speaking with a crazy person.
Yup - JSF or some 14 year with a gun standing by the water cooler 'protecting you." That's a bright happy future, innit?
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This is my main problem with arming school teachers.
Adults today would not stand for having their management armed. Period. It would NEVER happen. But what about the kids?
It's bad enough that we already have armed guards in schools. The kids today will grow up and not really have a problem with armed guards all over their worksites since they were conditioned for it at a very young age. We're already seeing a slow transition to this being the case in the more sensitive areas of the workforce, and some not so sensitive. I've gone into a grocery store at night where an armed guard is on duty at night.
Now consider what happens when kids grow up and their teachers are all armed. Those kids are going to be conditioned to think it's normal for their "superiors" to have guns, and likely won't even bat an eye when they go to work and the memo comes that the management at their job is going to be armed. Hell... the weaker among them might even be clamoring for it.
Do Right, Be Right. :)
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Quote:I understand your Comprehension Fail.
Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:Quote:That's fucking terrifying. The idea of going to work while your managers all have guns.
Originally posted by JEWELSTAITEFAN:Quote:Well now. Having management being Veterans. That is something I haven't heard mentioned before. Could be a step to improve society, along the lines of Heinlein.
Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:
We don't need guns in schools, period. We didn't need them in the 90's and we don't' need them now. We need to ask ourselves what is different about society today and how to fix it.
It's not right for kids to have to grow up in schools where they know their teachers are armed. That's fucked. Once that goes on for a while it won't be long before we end up having jobs where the management is armed. Grown ass adults trying to do their jobs and having to deal with management that is calling the shots under the threat of having a gun.
One part of the story also absent was how the School Resource Officer was not an Untrainable Teacher. 14-year-olds and younger can be trained to accurately shoot and handle a weapon, but Untrainable Teachers proclaim they cannot latch on to the learning curve of children.
I can't tell if you're joking or not.
If you aren't, I'm finished with this conversation, because I'm speaking with a crazy person.
I'll admit, I'm not getting the Heinlein bit. I'm not all that familiar with his works. It sounds as if he was borderline Communist in his youth and was later considered a Conservative by many, although he considered himself Libertarian. His political views over the course of his life and writing career pretty much spanned the entire spectrum, so I don't get your reference.
Do Right, Be Right. :)
Had not heard of Heinlein being a communist. Around 1935 he was an anti-Communist Democratic Activist. He described himself as Libertarian, or extreme Libertarian. Descriptions of him as Conservative are from Liberals.
He was involved in the early stages of Naval Aviation. He graduated the Naval Academy.
His brother became Major General in National Guard.
One tennent he used, including in Starship Troopers, was earned Citizenship. Citizenship was earned by serving in the military. So that might be where your comprehension fell apart. Only Citizens could vote, or carry weapons, and these Rights were cherished.
The other part is that you are looking at a small corner of the picture, instead of the whole tapestry, like you did with taxes.
Forget your interpretation of giving guns to all of the degenerate drug-addled idiots that you have known as managers.
Replace your prior managers with only people who have served, sacrificed years of their lives in a contract, are competent as nd capable of decision making. Not only would your employment experience have changed, but society would change as well.
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Originally posted by JEWELSTAITEFAN:Quote:I understand your Comprehension Fail.
Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:Quote:That's fucking terrifying. The idea of going to work while your managers all have guns.
Originally posted by JEWELSTAITEFAN:Quote:Well now. Having management being Veterans. That is something I haven't heard mentioned before. Could be a step to improve society, along the lines of Heinlein.
Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:
We don't need guns in schools, period. We didn't need them in the 90's and we don't' need them now. We need to ask ourselves what is different about society today and how to fix it.
It's not right for kids to have to grow up in schools where they know their teachers are armed. That's fucked. Once that goes on for a while it won't be long before we end up having jobs where the management is armed. Grown ass adults trying to do their jobs and having to deal with management that is calling the shots under the threat of having a gun.
One part of the story also absent was how the School Resource Officer was not an Untrainable Teacher. 14-year-olds and younger can be trained to accurately shoot and handle a weapon, but Untrainable Teachers proclaim they cannot latch on to the learning curve of children.
I can't tell if you're joking or not.
If you aren't, I'm finished with this conversation, because I'm speaking with a crazy person.
I'll admit, I'm not getting the Heinlein bit. I'm not all that familiar with his works. It sounds as if he was borderline Communist in his youth and was later considered a Conservative by many, although he considered himself Libertarian. His political views over the course of his life and writing career pretty much spanned the entire spectrum, so I don't get your reference.
Do Right, Be Right. :)
Had not heard of Heinlein being a communist. Around 1935 he was an anti-Communist Democratic Activist. He described himself as Libertarian, or extreme Libertarian. Descriptions of him as Conservative are from Liberals.
My most read book by him is the non-fiction Marine Corps Story.
He was involved in the early stages of Naval Aviation. He graduated the Naval Academy.
His brother became Major General in National Guard.
One tennent he used, including in Starship Troopers, was earned Citizenship. Citizenship was earned by serving in the military. So that might be where your comprehension fell apart. Only Citizens could vote, or carry weapons, and these Rights were cherished.
The other part is that you are looking at a small corner of the picture, instead of the whole tapestry, like you did with taxes.
Forget your interpretation of giving guns to all of the degenerate drug-addled idiots that you have known as managers.
Replace your prior managers with only people who have served, sacrificed years of their lives in a contract, are competent as nd capable of decision making. Not only would your employment experience have changed, but society would change as well.
Yep. Instead of drug addled degenerate managers, I'll have jackboot thugs on the government payroll that tell me what to do with the threat of a bullet in the face if I don't agree with their management style.
Perfect solution.
I'm sure you wouldn't have a problem with that when GWB or Trump were in control of the country. What about when Obama and Clinton are in control of the country and the wind is blowing the other way?
Do Right, Be Right. :)
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Quote:Quoted for preservation.
Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:Quote:Yep. Instead of drug addled degenerate managers, I'll have jackboot thugs on the government payroll that tell me what to do with the threat of a bullet in the face if I don't agree with their management style.
Originally posted by JEWELSTAITEFAN:Quote:I understand your Comprehension Fail.
Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:Quote:That's fucking terrifying. The idea of going to work while your managers all have guns.
Originally posted by JEWELSTAITEFAN:Quote:Well now. Having management being Veterans. That is something I haven't heard mentioned before. Could be a step to improve society, along the lines of Heinlein.
Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:
We don't need guns in schools, period. We didn't need them in the 90's and we don't' need them now. We need to ask ourselves what is different about society today and how to fix it.
It's not right for kids to have to grow up in schools where they know their teachers are armed. That's fucked. Once that goes on for a while it won't be long before we end up having jobs where the management is armed. Grown ass adults trying to do their jobs and having to deal with management that is calling the shots under the threat of having a gun.
One part of the story also absent was how the School Resource Officer was not an Untrainable Teacher. 14-year-olds and younger can be trained to accurately shoot and handle a weapon, but Untrainable Teachers proclaim they cannot latch on to the learning curve of children.
I can't tell if you're joking or not.
If you aren't, I'm finished with this conversation, because I'm speaking with a crazy person.
I'll admit, I'm not getting the Heinlein bit. I'm not all that familiar with his works. It sounds as if he was borderline Communist in his youth and was later considered a Conservative by many, although he considered himself Libertarian. His political views over the course of his life and writing career pretty much spanned the entire spectrum, so I don't get your reference.
Do Right, Be Right. :)
Had not heard of Heinlein being a communist. Around 1935 he was an anti-Communist Democratic Activist. He described himself as Libertarian, or extreme Libertarian. Descriptions of him as Conservative are from Liberals.
He was involved in the early stages of Naval Aviation. He graduated the Naval Academy.
His brother became Major General in National Guard.
One tennent he used, including in Starship Troopers, was earned Citizenship. Citizenship was earned by serving in the military. So that might be where your comprehension fell apart. Only Citizens could vote, or carry weapons, and these Rights were cherished.
The other part is that you are looking at a small corner of the picture, instead of the whole tapestry, like you did with taxes.
Forget your interpretation of giving guns to all of the degenerate drug-addled idiots that you have known as managers.
Replace your prior managers with only people who have served, sacrificed years of their lives in a contract, are competent as nd capable of decision making. Not only would your employment experience have changed, but society would change as well.
Perfect solution.
I'm sure you wouldn't have a problem with that when GWB or Trump were in control of the country. What about when Obama and Clinton are in control of the country and the wind is blowing the other way?
Do Right, Be Right. :)
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Originally posted by JEWELSTAITEFAN:
Quoted for preservation.
Feel free to do as you wish. I've never gone and deleted or changed all of my drunken rants, so I don't know why you feel the need to quote me to preserve anything, or the need to tell me that you're doing so. More power to ya though.
I see there was no answer to the question though.
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Quote:You might be confused. That was Hilliary illegally compiling a database of legal and lawful firearm owners. Well before Bush43 stopped her.
Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:
I remember the good old days when it was me and the Democrats fighting against GWB and the Patriot Act and Central Databases and the like.
Funny how easily a decade can change everything.
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Originally posted by JEWELSTAITEFAN:Quote:You might be confused. That was Hilliary illegally compiling a database of legal and lawful firearm owners. Well before Bush43 stopped her.
Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:
I remember the good old days when it was me and the Democrats fighting against GWB and the Patriot Act and Central Databases and the like.
Funny how easily a decade can change everything.
Do Right, Be Right. :)
Oh, so that's what the Patriot Act was all about then.
[/sarcasm]
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