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Wednesday, November 30, 2022 9:52 PM

Under a doctrine known as “prosecutorial discretion,” law enforcement agencies and their leaders have broad authority to decide when not to enforce a particular law. A traffic cop, for example, may pull someone over for speeding but decide to let them off with a warning. Or a local prosecutor may decide that they won’t bring charges against people who commit minor marijuana offenses.

The Supreme Court, meanwhile, has repeatedly warned judges not to interfere with these sorts of non-enforcement decisions. As the Court held in Heckler v. Chaney (1985), “an agency’s decision not to prosecute or enforce, whether through civil or criminal process, is a decision generally committed to an agency’s absolute discretion.” This principle, the Court added, “is attributable in no small part to the general unsuitability for judicial review of agency decisions to refuse enforcement.”

Mayorkas’s memo is an exercise of prosecutorial discretion. He urges ICE agents to focus their work on certain violators of federal immigration law, such as “a noncitizen who engaged in or is suspected of terrorism or espionage” or noncitizens who committed serious crimes. At the same time, the memo suggests that other undocumented immigrants, such as people of an “advanced or tender age” or those who have a “lengthy presence in the United States,” are less likely to be appropriate targets for enforcement.

Nevertheless, Tipton claimed that two federal statutes — one of which provides that the government “shall take into custody” immigrants who’ve committed certain offenses, and another saying that the government “shall remove” immigrants within 90 days after an immigration proceeding orders them removed — trumps the government’s power to exercise prosecutorial discretion and effectively makes detention of certain immigrants mandatory.

This decision was wrong. The Court has long held prosecutorial discretion is so “deep-rooted” that it can overcome a legislative command stating that law enforcement officers “shall arrest” a particular class of persons. Indeed, over a century ago, in Railroad Company v. Hecht (1877), the Court held that “as against the government, the word ‘shall,’ when used in statutes, is to be construed as ‘may,’ unless a contrary intention is manifest.”

One of the core reasons why prosecutorial discretion exists is that law enforcement agencies will always have what Kavanaugh referred to as “resource constraints.” Unless Congress agrees to fund legions of law enforcement officers, and implement a draconian surveillance state, agencies like ICE will never have the personnel, detention space, and other assets that they would need to arrest every single person who violates a law within the agency’s jurisdiction.

And Congress certainly has not done so here. As the Justice Department explained in a 2014 memo, “there are approximately 11.3 million undocumented aliens in the country,” but Congress has only appropriated enough resources to “remove fewer than 400,000 such aliens each year.”

https://www.vox.com/policy-and-politics/2022/11/29/23484335/supreme-co
urt-united-states-texas-ice-immigration-drew-tipton-trump


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Wednesday, November 30, 2022 9:59 PM

No. Noncitizens here illegally are invaders and are not Americans, and do not have any protections that citizens have.

Zero tolerance. They are to be removed. Every single one of them. Even the children.



Once they are removed, no illegal invader shall be able to attend school, go to a hospital or receive any taxpayer funded benefits. Also, any person of any age are never to be allowed to become legal citizens if they came here illegally, and if they have children while in the US this extends to the children born from illegal parents as well. Even if one of the parents is a legal citizen. This will ensure nobody else even tries to come here illegally when there is nothing here for them or their children. There is no need for an expensive solution to this problem.


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Thursday, December 1, 2022 3:17 AM

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Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:
No. Noncitizens here illegally are invaders and are not Americans, and do not have any protections that citizens have.

Zero tolerance. They are to be removed. Every single one of them. Even the children.

There is no need for an expensive solution to this problem.

I see a problem. How much money is spent on immigration enforcement? Approximately $8 billion. The agency has an annual budget of approximately $8 billion, primarily devoted to three operational directorates — Homeland Security Investigations (HSI), Enforcement and Removal Operations (ERO) and Office of the Principal Legal Advisor (OPLA).Sep 1, 2022.

How many illegals are removed in a year for $8 billion? 400,000. That is $20,000 per illegal. If you wanted 11 million illegals removed, pronto, that would be 11 million times $20,000 = $220 billion. 6ix wrote, "There is no need for an expensive solution to this problem." There is a need. Congress has to budget $220 billion for the removal of 11 million illegals to solve this problem.

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at https://www.mediafire.com/two

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Thursday, December 1, 2022 4:44 AM

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Originally posted by second:
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Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:
No. Noncitizens here illegally are invaders and are not Americans, and do not have any protections that citizens have.

Zero tolerance. They are to be removed. Every single one of them. Even the children.

There is no need for an expensive solution to this problem.

I see a problem. How much money is spent on immigration enforcement? Approximately $8 billion. The agency has an annual budget of approximately $8 billion, primarily devoted to three operational directorates — Homeland Security Investigations (HSI), Enforcement and Removal Operations (ERO) and Office of the Principal Legal Advisor (OPLA).Sep 1, 2022.

How many illegals are removed in a year for $8 billion? 400,000. That is $20,000 per illegal. If you wanted 11 million illegals removed, pronto, that would be 11 million times $20,000 = $220 billion. 6ix wrote, "There is no need for an expensive solution to this problem." There is a need. Congress has to budget $220 billion for the removal of 11 million illegals to solve this problem.

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at https://www.mediafire.com/two



Nope. If you took everything away from them the taxpayers will actually make money and they'll leave on their own. And no more invaders will come once word gets out.


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Thursday, December 1, 2022 6:20 AM

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Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:

Nope. If you took everything away from them the taxpayers will actually make money and they'll leave on their own. And no more invaders will come once word gets out.

"If you took everything away from them . . ." In a simple case, everything is their car, cash, and household goods. That will require people being paid to take this stuff away. There aren't people doing that kind of work at the moment. They will have to be hired. Then there is the problem of what to do with the body of the illegal. Put them on a bus to Canada? Who is paying for the ticket? How to convince Canada to take the illegals? Canada is gonna have to be paid to take the illegals. But there is another way! There is already a perfectly good system to remove illegal aliens from the USA. If you want this to actually happen, use that system, but it is not cost-free. It is $20,000 per illegal.

6ix, if you are committed to doing this at no cost, why not have vigilantes kill the illegals and bury the bodies in shallow graves? The President can pardon the vigilantes beforehand for greater efficiency. By the way, the illegals will have guns and will shoot back, all thanks to the 2nd Amendment. Improvising with Vigilantes could get very messy. I'd think the tried-and-true method, costing only $20,000 per illegal, will probably be the cheapest in the long run.
https://www.law.cornell.edu/wex/second_amendment

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at https://www.mediafire.com/two

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Thursday, December 1, 2022 6:44 AM

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Originally posted by second:
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Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:

Nope. If you took everything away from them the taxpayers will actually make money and they'll leave on their own. And no more invaders will come once word gets out.

"If you took everything away from them . . ." In a simple case, everything is their car, cash, and household goods. That will require people being paid to take this stuff away. There aren't people doing that kind of work at the moment. They will have to be hired.



That's not what I implied. I already wrote about what I mean above... Try and keep up.

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Once they are removed, no illegal invader shall be able to attend school, go to a hospital or receive any taxpayer funded benefits. Also, any person of any age are never to be allowed to become legal citizens if they came here illegally, and if they have children while in the US this extends to the children born from illegal parents as well. Even if one of the parents is a legal citizen. This will ensure nobody else even tries to come here illegally when there is nothing here for them or their children. There is no need for an expensive solution to this problem.


^ is Everything.

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Then there is the problem of what to do with the body of the illegal. Put them on a bus to Canada? Who is paying for the ticket? How to convince Canada to take the illegals? Canada is gonna have to be paid to take the illegals. But there is another way! There is already a perfectly good system to remove illegal aliens from the USA. If you want this to actually happen, use that system, but it is not cost-free. It is $20,000 per illegal.


Let them leave on their own when there's nothing here for them. If they won't, they can either starve to death or figure out how to live in the woods. And those who turn to crime to survive get arrested and booted out of the country. Win/win for everyone.

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e6ix, if you are committed to doing this at no cost, why not have vigilantes kill the illegals and bury the bodies in shallow graves? The President can pardon the vigilantes beforehand for greater efficiency. By the way, the illegals will have guns and will shoot back, all thanks to the 2nd Amendment. Improvising with Vigilantes could get very messy. I'd think the tried-and-true method, costing only $20,000 per illegal, will probably be the cheapest in the long run.



Why waste the cost of a bullet and the labor of digging shallow graves? If there's nothing here for them the invaders already here will leave of their own accord and word will spread quick and we won't get any new invaders.

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Thursday, December 1, 2022 6:56 PM

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Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:

Let them leave on their own when there's nothing here for them. If they won't, they can either starve to death or figure out how to live in the woods. And those who turn to crime to survive get arrested and booted out of the country. Win/win for everyone.

You have been this way for years, 6ix. Today, Jayneztown dragged up an old rant of 6ix's from 6 years ago, proving 6ix fears foreigners:

More outrages from the EU migrant crisis
http://www.fireflyfans.net/mthread.aspx?bid=18&tid=60939&mid=1
018637#1018637


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Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:
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Originally posted by second:
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Originally posted by SIGNYM:

I think the EU can thank George Soros and Hillary Clinton for their "open border" policies being pushed on them.

Is there a chance you might be mistaken about who pushed Europe into its "open border" policy? The Schengen Area, where 26 European countries have no internal border controls, was started in 1985, back when Hillary was living in Arkansas. It must be all Soros's fault.
http://ec.europa.eu/dgs/home-affairs/what-we-do/policies/borders-and-v
isas/index_en.htm


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Who cares how they got there?

Brexit was the first step. Other EU nations are doing their own votes.

Globalism is failing.

Economics are only a small part of the pie. All of these nations had elected officials who were the lap dogs of NON ELECTED OFFICIALS who run the EU and put all of these aggressive Muslims in their towns.

A girl was raped and left tied to the Eiffel Tower.

The Fucking Eiffel Tower.

Sacred Romantic Ground ruined forever...



Back in the day, the only Muslims with 8 wives and 26 kids were Kings that can afford it.

If we're all taking them in and paying for everything, every Muslim man can procreate without abandon and our taxes pay for their kids.

There is no fucking reason anybody should pay for that shit.


That's not "Nazi".

Calling that Nazi is insulting the Jews who were a defenseless people of that time.


How many women and children came off those refugee boats?

Almost ZERO.

Almost all young Muslim men invading foreign cultures.



You keep pretending nothing is happening until your kids get raped and it's too late.

One day we'll all be brown hair with brown eyes but if your a woman nobody could tell because you're legally forced to cover every square inch of your skin under our new Islamic Masters.



White Men used to fight for White Women...

Now I think it's more like what the fuck ever. I'll just play more video games.

"Your Princess is in Another Castle"...



Maybe She is, Maybe She isn't.

All I can say for sure is that over 10 years ago you became way too much more trouble than you were worth.... White Women in general.


There is NO CAKE and EAT IT TOO.

Enjoy HUGE black cock and then raising a kid on your own without child support.

Enjoy flinging yourself into the arms of a Muslim if you're still young enough to be attractive if you're ready to wear full body garb and be completely submissive for the rest of your life.


We had a great thing for a decade or two. Equality between sexes that I grew up with.

It just wasn't enough though.

We reap what we sow.

I'm just glad I don't have any kids to try to explain all of this bullshit to.



Do Right, Be Right. :)



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Thursday, December 1, 2022 10:47 PM

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Originally posted by second:
Quote:

Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:

Let them leave on their own when there's nothing here for them. If they won't, they can either starve to death or figure out how to live in the woods. And those who turn to crime to survive get arrested and booted out of the country. Win/win for everyone.

You have been this way for years, 6ix. Today, Jayneztown dragged up an old rant of 6ix's from 6 years ago, proving 6ix fears foreigners:



Don't mistake Loathing for Fear, dipshit.

And also don't mistake me telling you that you've never changed one little bit for me saying that every opinion you ever have needs to change.

I was right about all of that back then, and I'm still right about it now.

Sober me from the future stands by every one of those statements. And the benefit of time has only made them more true in hindsight.


Fuck the invaders. I don't care what happens to any of them as long as they're not here.

And if the nations of Europe want to survive, they'd better get on board with that too, sooner than later.

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Thursday, December 1, 2022 10:53 PM

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Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:
Fuck the invaders. I don't care what happens to any of them as long as they're not here.

And if the nations of Europe want to survive, they'd better get on board with that too, sooner than later.




Europe Shows a Clear Link Between Immigration and Crime -- Like the One the U.S. Seriously Downplays

https://www.realclearinvestigations.com/articles/2022/12/01/europe_sho
ws_a_clear_link_between_immigration_and_crime_-_like_the_one_the_us_seriously_downplays_867625.html


The first step is to stop calling it an immigration problem, and call it exactly what it is. An Invasion.

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Friday, December 2, 2022 7:06 PM

Taiwan makes more than 90% of the world’s semiconductor chips. But the threat of an impending invasion by China imperils its dominant position. Any disruption to the Taiwanese industry would derail global production of just about everything, from home appliances to automobiles to fighter jets.

Biden's visit to TSMC's Arizona plant underlines his big chip manufacturing push.
The T in TSMC stands for Taiwan Semiconductor Manufacturing Company. Biden will visit TSMC’s upcoming Arizona factory on Dec. 6, the White House said, to attend its “tool-in ceremony”: the installation of the first batch of equipment on the shop floor. It’s a landmark moment for TSMC, the world’s biggest semiconductor chipmaker, but an even bigger moment for Biden, whose policies have lured TSMC to open its first advanced chip plant in the US.

After the pandemic and subsequent supply chain disruptions caused a worldwide shortage of chips, Biden has pushed to bolster chip manufacturing in America. In August, he earmarked $52.7 billion for semiconductor manufacturing and research, the bulk of which — $39 billion — went into incentives for domestic manufacturing. The legislation also provides a 25% investment tax credit for capital expenses and equipment.

The US needed the push. Last year, the country produced only 12% of the world’s chips. And if any firm has the know-how to boost the industry, it’s TSMC.

https://qz.com/bidens-visit-to-tsmcs-arizona-plant-underlines-his-big-
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Why the decline in US chip manufacturing? It became cheaper to build chip facilities in countries outside of the US. Foreign governments offer more attractive financial incentives to construct semiconductor factories, like tax breaks and grants. A US law was passed to do what other countries do, over the objection of every Republican Congressman, resulting in chip factories being built in the US instead of Taiwan.

There was an attempt to do something under the Trump administration — Apple supplier Foxconn (another Taiwan-based company) was slated to build a Wisconsin facility that would produce large-screen TV displays and said it would create 13,000 jobs, but the whole project never panned out. (Wisconsin offered incentives to Foxconn, but Trump wouldn't pay Foxconn so Foxconn didn't build the factory. No money == no factory. It was really that simple.)

https://www.businessinsider.com/why-us-doesnt-make-chips-semiconductor
-shortage-2021-4


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