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6IXSTRINGJACK

Saturday, July 31, 2021 8:23 AM

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Originally posted by 1KIKI:
I think the answer for that is simple: a low-interest government loan program to pay off the ridiculous private student loan debt. The government makes money, and the people in debt get out from under more easily. And everyone is happy, except the lender-leeches. But hey, if they haven't lost actual money, they should be happy, too.

(That's exactly the same way I think the government should have addressed the 2008 collapse. Fix the underlying mortgages instead of making the 10,000x leveraged pyramid of lenders whole.)

The answer is to change their loans to 0% interest, and for the government to take the missing money from that interest from the colleges themselves.

The caveat being, that they only get the 0% interest if they make their full monthly payment on time every month, otherwise it goes back to whatever rate it was before the forgiveness and they will have to make 1 full year of on-time, in-full payments to get back to the 0% interest.

THEN the government should be doing a deep dive into why it costs so fucking much to get what amounts to a worthless piece of paper for 80% of the recipients, and fire everybody responsible in both the education system and the government itself who is even indirectly responsible for it.

In NO way should these loans be forgiven. They should be examples to the future generations of how these people were suckered into throwing so much money away and enslaving themselves to debt for the rest of their lives.

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6IXSTRINGJACK

Saturday, July 31, 2021 8:38 AM

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Originally posted by JO753:
I think uv them az rabid apes. Thoze that I no in RL can be launched into a tantrum with a few simple wordz agenst Trump.

That's funny JO. The few strangers who were inconsiderate enough to talk politics and shit talk Trump with me after being aware of my existence as long as it takes to stand at a checkout line received a smile and then got to admire my chiseled-from-marble back until I walked out of the store.

It's not worth holding a conversation with you. It's certainly not worth getting angry about in public where everybody has a camera ready to put you on YouTube.

That's what crazy Karens and Democrat extremists do.

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1KIKI

Saturday, July 31, 2021 12:08 PM

I wasn't just talking about making low interest home loans available to people in default. I meant to everybody.

No matter how you look at it, everybody wins. The 'financialism' section of the economy has the basis for its leveraged 'assets' stabilized. The homeowners scrape off the leeches. And the government makes money.

And nothing gets 'given' away to anybody.

SECOND

Saturday, July 31, 2021 6:04 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by 1KIKI:

I wasn't just talking about making low interest home loans available to people in default. I meant to everybody.

No matter how you look at it, everybody wins. The 'financialism' section of the economy has the basis for its leveraged 'assets' stabilized. The homeowners scrape off the leeches. And the government makes money.

And nothing gets 'given' away to anybody.

1kiki wants 0% mortgages. 6ix wants 0% student loans. I want 0% payday loans. Why can't we have it all? I know the reason for payday loans not being 0%: Payday loans can have interest rates over 600%—here’s the typical rate in every U.S. state.
https://www.cnbc.com/2021/02/16/map-shows-typical-payday-loan-rate-in-
each-state.html

Use your imagination for why there aren't 61 U.S. Senators voting for 0% loans of all kinds. And while you are at it, try to imagine why even state legislatures aren't offering 0% loans. The Legislatures say that this is perfectly legal: Multi-Payment Installment Loan Fee Schedule https://powerfinancetexas.com/resources/installment-feeschedule.pdf

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly

6IXSTRINGJACK

Saturday, July 31, 2021 7:00 PM

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Originally posted by second:
1kiki wants 0% mortgages. 6ix wants 0% student loans. I want 0% payday loans. Why can't we have it all?

You're out of your goddamned mind if you think I want 0% student loans.

That's the comporomise I'm willing to give instead of letting Democrats forgive over a trillion dollars of student loan debt, but only if the ones paying back the loans make on time payments in full every month and only if the Government puts a stop to the predatory system in place.

Quote:
Use your imagination for why there aren't 61 U.S. Senators voting for 0% loans of all kinds. And while you are at it, try to imagine why even state legislatures aren't offering 0% loans. The Legislatures say that this is perfectly legal: Multi-Payment Installment Loan Fee Schedule

Nobody but you wants 0% anything, Commie.

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SECOND

Sunday, August 1, 2021 6:39 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:

Nobody but you wants 0% anything, Commie.

You know who else threw around accusations of Communism? People who voted for Nixon. I've got particular people mind, their names, their history, what eventually happened to those people. Most of them are dead, but the few who were in high school in 1972 that aren't yet dead from smoking, voted for Trump. Every last one has done worse than average, because of their bad judgment and laziness, but they think their weaknesses are because of the Democrats. Those Trump voters were delusional about Nixon, delusional about Trump, and are delusional about themselves. So who was Nixon that these Trumptards would have voted for if only they had bothered to vote?

King Richard: Nixon and Watergate – an American Tragedy
By Michael Dobbs

Does the world need another history of the Watergate scandal? If it’s this good, yes. Michael Dobbs’s tense facto-thriller covers the first hundred days of Richard Nixon’s second administration, from the triumph of re-election to the moment when things ‘fell apart’ in mid-1973. Dobbs stalks the president around the White House, watching and listening – much like the taping system Nixon installed to protect his reputation but that, in the end, destroyed it. We hear him make bigoted comments and plot to conceal the truth, as well as lie to the faces of men he professes to love – and to himself as well.

Tricky Dick probably didn’t order the burglary at the Democratic headquarters at the Watergate Hotel on 17 June 1972: responsibility lay with the Committee for the Re-election of the President, which was separate from the White House. The committee could easily have been thrown under the bus in the early days of the scandal. Instead, Nixon pursued a cover-up, all the while warning his staff that the worst thing to do when you’ve done something wrong is cover it up.

The inconsistency isn’t as strange as it first sounds. Nixon’s modus operandi was to encourage others to do bad things on his behalf and maintain enough distance from the wrongdoing to deny all personal responsibility. But by the time his counsel John Dean sat down with him on 21 March 1973 and informed him that there was a ‘cancer on the presidency’, Nixon must have known that the metaphor had become horribly apt, given how much crookedness, involving so many people, had built up over so long. He also knew that all it would take was one exposure to sink the entire administration. Nixon joked to his staff that they needn’t worry: America wouldn’t impeach him because that would put Spiro Agnew, his ghastly vice president, in charge. What he didn’t know was that Agnew was being quietly investigated for corruption and would soon have to quit.

The tapes made a certain sense: other presidents taped themselves too and Nixon, bedevilled by leaks and negative press, wanted an honest record of what was said and done. The problem was, however, that what the president said wasn’t always true. Why, when their existence came to light on 13 July, didn’t Nixon do the obvious thing and destroy the tapes? ‘Boss, you gotta have a bonfire,’ said Agnew. Almost everyone Nixon spoke to agreed, except Haldeman, who argued that they could prove the president was innocent. This was what Nixon wanted to hear, so that’s what Nixon chose to believe. The tapes, he declared on 17 July, were his ‘insurance … Those tapes are going to defend me.’ Later in the day, the special prosecutor requested access to eight recordings, including the ‘cancer on the presidency’ conversation. That night, Nixon wrote in his diary: ‘Should have destroyed the tapes.’

Dobbs’s book combines clarity, amusement and tragedy, opening up the Watergate story, perhaps, to a younger generation of readers who might imagine that Trump is as bad as it gets. ‘Nixon’s thirst for political intelligence’, he concludes, ‘had spawned a “whatever it takes” culture that led to massive lawbreaking by his administration’, with advisers careening off beyond the law in ways that

6IXSTRINGJACK

Sunday, August 1, 2021 7:29 PM

I'm not worried about Nixon.

I'm worried about Biden*.

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SECOND

Monday, August 2, 2021 8:33 AM

Quote:
Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:
I'm not worried about Nixon.

I'm worried about Biden*.

I tried this Watergate Tapes conversation on people who voted for Trump. None of them sensed wrongness about killing civilians:

The two men turned to the practical question of building support for Nixon’s Vietnam policy in the weeks that followed. Colson confidently expected the furor over the Christmas bombing to be forgotten as soon as the peace agreement was signed. He rattled off a stream of opinion polls to bolster his argument that the antiwar crowd was out on a “big limb” that was about to get “sawed off.”

“The important thing to remember, Mr. President, is that the country does not buy a lot of the crap that they’re fed. Obviously the American people have an uncomfortable sense about the bombings and wish they had not taken place. But sixty-seven [percent] do not believe that we deliberately bombed hospitals or civilian targets.”

“Good God,” Nixon exploded. “When you think of what Eisenhower did in World War II. I mean, he decimated cities.”

“So did Truman.”

“Why did Truman drop the atomic bomb? Not because he wanted to demolish cities. Because he wanted to end the war. Why did Eisenhower bomb the shit out of the cities of North Korea?”

“That’s right.”

“And that’s what ended the war, you know.”

Colson could not wait to “slash the bejusus” out of the Nixon critics and the “jackasses” in Congress who had proposed holding up funding for the war.

“It’s treasonable,” Nixon exclaimed.

“Totally treasonable,” Colson agreed. “We’ll cut the bastards right to the bone.”

In the meantime, he had a nugget of good news to relay. His campaign against The Washington Post for its aggressive coverage of Watergate was showing gratifying results. He had orchestrated challenges to the renewal of the parent company’s lucrative television licenses in Florida. Its stock price had plummeted by more than 25 percent in the last two weeks alone. Nervous investors were demanding the firing of the editor, Ben Bradlee. Colson had made clear that the price for calling off his attack dogs was “a complete change of management.” To show good faith, the Post would be required to publish “a few obviously friendly editorials on how well the President is handling the Vietnam War” and put “the Watergate case back inside the paper where it belongs instead of blasting it across the front pages.”

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6IXSTRINGJACK

Monday, August 2, 2021 8:36 AM

Since you didn't get the point, I'll take the liberty of elaboration...

I'm not worried about what Nixon did before I was born.

I'm worried about what Biden* is doing now.

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SECOND

Monday, August 2, 2021 10:36 AM

Quote:
Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:
Since you didn't get the point, I'll take the liberty of elaboration...

I'm not worried about what Nixon did before I was born.

I'm worried about what Biden* is doing now.

To make a point that you can't accept, I've never known anyone who voted twice for Trump, and continues to support him, who is not crazy and stupid. They are forever bragging about how smart they are and about their commonsense, but they don't have either, at least going by watching what they do in the real world. Perhaps there are some who are either sane or smart, but there can't be many of them.

I find there is an overlap between two-time-Trump supporters and people who support what Nixon supported, such as killing civilians as a essential strategy in, for example, WWII and Vietnam. The commonly held belief that nuking Japan won the war is a dead giveaway that they believe in the strategy of killing civilians.

There is also an overlap with believing Biden is somebody to be worried about. They worry about the silliest things while being completely oblivious to important things.

Obliviousness is the key to what is wrong with two-time-Trump supporters. It's the key to why they struggle so hard with staying in the middle class and voted for Trump, the guy who tells them their struggles are not their fault, but Biden's fault or the Democrats' fault or the Elite's fault. Again, I don't know enough to be sure, but every two-time-Trump supporter I do know is solely at fault.

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly

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