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Sunday, July 18, 2021 7:38 AM

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SIGNYM: Oh yeah, like I'm going to believe Bolton!


SIX: Second does because it suits him.
He's a hypocrite.
At least when NeoCon Ted is blowing Bolton, we know that NeoCon Ted was always blowing Bolton.

HAHAHA! Too true!

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THUGR posts about Putin so much, he must be in love.

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Sunday, July 18, 2021 7:54 AM

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Originally posted by SIGNYM:
Oh yeah, like I'm going to believe Bolton!

There are hundreds of books about Trump. You disbelieve them all? Do you not understand what Trump is? If you believe Trump's description of himself, rather than how Trump acts, you must get cheated by conmen.

These books come at the same time that Republican leaders seem to be doubling down on their recognition that Trump remains the most important leader of the Republican Party. But they -- and all Americans -- should see these accounts as an urgent reminder of recent tumultuous history, and a new warning of the risks that are all too foreseeable, should they help him return to power.

Indeed, absurdly, during Trump's term in office, many Republicans often acted surprised about the former president's behavior. Despite a long-track record and visible history in the public eye, there were expressions of disbelief when Trump used his authority in aggressive fashion to pursue his own political objectives or when he refused to abide by traditional norms of governance.

But none of this should have come as a shock. The way that Trump acted as president fit into well-established patterns of who he was during his days as a controversial, media savvy real estate mogul in New York and as a reality show star who used his platform to, for example, question the birthplace of the nation's first African American president (a claim he later retracted.) Unlike the outsider Jimmy Carter in 1976, for instance, Trump was a well-known commodity. All someone had to do was listen to him demonstrate his values in appearances on the Howard Stern Show or read the New York Post to understand what "The Donald" was all about.

Of course, now the record is even more extensive. There is the entire history of his presidency, during which he was quite transparent about the rules of the office that he thought to be irrelevant to his personal success, and the lengths to which he was willing to go in political combat.

www.cnn.com/2021/07/15/opinions/mccarthy-and-gop-know-just-whats-comin
g-from-trump-zelizer/index.html


The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly

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Sunday, July 18, 2021 8:03 AM

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SIGNYM:
Oh yeah, like I'm going to believe Bolton!

SECONDRATE: There are hundreds of books about Trump.

what does that have to do with Bolton? Bolton is a known liar and conman himself.

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SECONDRATE: You disbelieve them all?
I haven't even read one, much less "all". How can I evaluate what I haven't even read?

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SECONDRATE: Do you not understand what Trump is? If you believe Trump's description of himself, rather than how Trump acts, you must get cheated by conmen.
I don't believe what Trump says about himself. In fact, I don't even KNOW what Trump says about himself bc I neither listen to nor read about it.

At the same time, I can't avoid reading/hearing what the M$M and DNC and security state say about him, and it's almost 95% lies. So, I for sure don't believe them either. And if YOU do, then YOU'VE been cheated by conmen already. Dupe.



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Sunday, July 18, 2021 10:04 AM

At least we know that Second isn't paying any of those hacks for their books on Trump.

Second is a Pirate.

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And he who is not sufficiently courageous to defend his soul — don’t let him be proud of his ‘progressive’ views, and don’t let him boast that he is an academician or a people’s artist, a distinguished figure or a general. Let him say to himself: I am a part of the herd and a coward. It’s all the same to me as long as I’m fed and kept warm.

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Monday, July 19, 2021 5:06 PM

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Originally posted by SIGNYM:

I don't believe what Trump says about himself. In fact, I don't even KNOW what Trump says about himself bc I neither listen to nor read about it.

At the same time, I can't avoid reading/hearing what the M$M and DNC and security state say about him, and it's almost 95% lies. So, I for sure don't believe them either. And if YOU do, then YOU'VE been cheated by conmen already. Dupe.

Listen to Trump and you will come to a conclusion about his tax paying:



Trump never showed any proof from the IRS that there is an audit. He never proved he can't share his returns, either. It is his arbitrary decision to keep his returns a secret. Well, not at all arbitrary because the returns would be proof that he paid taxes. Trump paid no federal income taxes: https://fortune.com/2020/09/27/trump-paid-no-income-taxes/

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly

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Monday, July 19, 2021 5:26 PM

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Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:
At least we know that Second isn't paying any of those hacks for their books on Trump.

Second is a Pirate.

6ix, I am not the pirate who is placing books on https://libgen.unblockit.uno

Thirty years ago, Albert O Hirschman published a short book that infuriated conservatives called The Rhetoric of Reaction. The book showed how conservative arguments across time and space fell into three rhetorical buckets:

(1) the perversity thesis, whereby any action to improve some feature of the political, social, or economic order is alleged to result in the exact opposite of what was intended;

(2) the futility thesis, which predicts that attempts at social transformation will produce no effects whatever -- will simply be incapable of making a dent in the status quo;

(3) the jeopardy thesis, holding that the cost of the proposed reform is unacceptable because it will endanger previous hard-won accomplishments (the opposite of futility, but who cares about consistency).

As well as being a great summer read, Hirschman’s rhetoric continues to shed a useful light on the present conservative obsessions.
https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2021/jul/15/why-does-inflati
on-worry-the-right-so-much


To show how advocates of reactionary causes are caught by compelling reflexes and lumber predictably through set motions and maneuvers does not in itself refute the arguments, of course; but it does have a number of fairly corrosive consequences.

Free download of The Rhetoric of Reaction from the mirrors at
https://libgen.unblockit.uno/search.php?req=The+Rhetoric+of+Reaction

The epub version of The Rhetoric of Reaction: Perversity, Futility, Jeopardy
https://libgen.unblockit.uno/libraryp2/main/2D9774612D58CD334583B485FE
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The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly

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Monday, July 19, 2021 6:26 PM

Click those links at your own risk.



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And he who is not sufficiently courageous to defend his soul — don’t let him be proud of his ‘progressive’ views, and don’t let him boast that he is an academician or a people’s artist, a distinguished figure or a general. Let him say to himself: I am a part of the herd and a coward. It’s all the same to me as long as I’m fed and kept warm.

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Monday, July 19, 2021 8:01 PM

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Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:
Click those links at your own risk.

Affected with paranoia, 6ix?

The Paranoid Style in American Politics
By Richard Hofstadter†

Harper’s Magazine, November 1964, pp. 77-86.

It had been around a long time before the Radical Right discovered it—and its targets have ranged from “the international bankers” to Masons, Jesuits, and munitions makers.

American politics has often been an arena for angry minds. In recent years we have seen angry minds at work mainly among extreme right-wingers, who have now demonstrated in the Goldwater movement how much political leverage can be got out of the animosities and passions of a small minority. But behind this I believe there is a style of mind that is far from new and that is not necessarily right-wind. I call it the paranoid style simply because no other word adequately evokes the sense of heated exaggeration, suspiciousness, and conspiratorial fantasy that I have in mind. In using the expression “paranoid style” I am not speaking in a clinical sense, but borrowing a clinical term for other purposes. I have neither the competence nor the desire to classify any figures of the past or present as certifiable lunatics. In fact, the idea of the paranoid style as a force in politics would have little contemporary relevance or historical value if it were applied only to men with profoundly disturbed minds. It is the use of paranoid modes of expression by more or less normal people that makes the phenomenon significant.

Of course this term is pejorative, and it is meant to be; the paranoid style has a greater affinity for bad causes than good. But nothing really prevents a sound program or demand from being advocated in the paranoid style. Style has more to do with the way in which ideas are believed than with the truth or falsity of their content. I am interested here in getting at our political psychology through our political rhetoric. The paranoid style is an old and recurrent phenomenon in our public life which has been frequently linked with movements of suspicious discontent.

Here is Senator McCarthy, speaking in June 1951 about the parlous situation of the United States:

How can we account for our present situation unless we believe that men high in this government are concerting to deliver us to disaster? This must be the product of a great conspiracy on a scale so immense as to dwarf any previous such venture in the history of man. A conspiracy of infamy so black that, which it is finally exposed, its principals shall be forever deserving of the maledictions of all honest men....What can be made of this unbroken series of decisions and acts contributing to the strategy of defeat? They cannot be attributed to incompetence....The laws of probability would dictate that part of...the decisions would serve the country’s interest.

More at https://web.archive.org/web/20170116220729/http://www.fuminyang.com/mi
chelle/Paranoid%20Style.pdf


The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly

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Tuesday, July 20, 2021 7:45 AM

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Originally posted by second:
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Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:
Click those links at your own risk.

Affected with paranoia, 6ix?




No. I just don't click strange links like the rest of you dummies do, and a Google search says that libgen.unblockit is untrustworthy/unsafe.

Not that I trust Google any more or less than I do you, or Snopes, or NYT, etc... but the ROI for clicking a shady link that YOU post to grab a book I'm never going to read is zero, so better safe than sorry isn't even a question here.

Especially when I already know of places that I trust to find things I'm looking for.



P.S. If you ever do manage to find Antiracist Baby for me, trust that I'll be grabbing that link from a virtual session within a virtual session and then subsequently setting that virtual install on fire after I've got the book.



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