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Quote:Then you won't learn a secret about America:
Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:Quote:
Originally posted by second:
You've claimed to not be a Republican.
I'm not.
TL;DR on the rest of your post. None of your bullshit is ever worth the time reading.
The sense of responsibility for doing a job right seems to be declining. In fact, the phrase “I am not responsible” has become a standard response in our society to the complaints that a job has been poorly done. This response is a semantic error. Generally, what a person means is: “I cannot be held legally liable.” Yet, from a moral or ethical point of view, the person who disclaims responsibility is correct: By taking this way out, he is not responsible; he is irresponsible.
The unwillingness to act and to accept responsibility is a symptom of America’s growing self-satisfaction with the status quo. The result is a paralysis of the spirit, entirely uncharacteristic of Americans during the previous stages of our history. Originally by Hyman G. Rickover, April 29, 1984
More at https://www.nytimes.com/1984/04/29/nyregion/long-island-opinion-rickov
er-giving-life-meaning.html
Even back in 1984, Rickover recognized serious character flaws in a majority of Americans, which caused him to be famously picky about who he hired to work on nuclear propulsion, but because he could recognize and work around that reality, there were no nuclear accidents in the US Navy, unlike Russia, which had abundant accidents.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hyman_G._Rickover#Safety_record
The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly
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And he who is not sufficiently courageous to defend his soul — don’t let him be proud of his ‘progressive’ views, and don’t let him boast that he is an academician or a people’s artist, a distinguished figure or a general. Let him say to himself: I am a part of the herd and a coward. It’s all the same to me as long as I’m fed and kept warm.
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Quote:Vaccum, vacuum, or vacume — which is correct? A Trumptard I know in the oilfield asks potential hires how to spell the word in a verbal pop quiz with no warning and no paper. He does not hire field hands who spell it correctly. They have to spell the way he spells.
Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:
TL:DR
The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly
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lol Whatever dude.
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And he who is not sufficiently courageous to defend his soul — don’t let him be proud of his ‘progressive’ views, and don’t let him boast that he is an academician or a people’s artist, a distinguished figure or a general. Let him say to himself: I am a part of the herd and a coward. It’s all the same to me as long as I’m fed and kept warm.
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Biden’s ideology is largely invisible
Adam Gopnik writes:
The Brooklyn-reared boxing trainer Charley Goldman, who crafted Rocky Marciano, the undefeated heavyweight champ of the nineteen-fifties, once made a wise statement: “Never play a guy at his own game; nobody makes up a game in order to get beat at it.” He meant that there was no point getting into a slugging match with a slugger or a bob-and-weave match with a bob-and-weaver. Instead, do what you do well. Damon Runyon, another New York character of that same wise vintage, said something similar about a different activity: if someone wants to bet you that, if you open a sealed deck of cards, the jack of spades will come out and squirt cider in your ear, don’t take the bet, however tempting the odds. The deck, you can be sure, is gaffed on the other gambler’s behalf. Never play the other guy’s game: it’s the simple wisdom of the corner gym and the gambling den. The other guy’s game is designed for the other guy to win.
An instinctive understanding of this principle was part of the brilliance of Joe Biden’s Presidential campaign—and that we do not think of it as brilliant, despite his decisive victory against an incumbent, is part of its brilliance. Donald Trump invented a game: of bullying, lying, sociopathic selfishness, treachery, and outright gangsterism, doing and saying things that no democratic politician had ever done or even thought of doing, and he did it all in broad daylight. (A notorious line attributed to Nixon—“We can do that, but it would be wrong”—was about paying hush money. Even Nixon wouldn’t pardon his henchmen. Trump did.) It was a game designed for Trump alone to win, but all too many got drawn into it. It was a game that some credit to a Russian model of disinformation but actually seems rooted in old-fashioned American Barnumism, weaponized with John Gotti-style ethics. It was designed, in plain English, to throw out so much crap that no one could ever deal with it all. Trying to bat the crap away, you just got more of it all over you, and meanwhile you were implicitly endorsing its relevance.
Biden, by contrast, insisted that the way to win was not to play. In the face of the new politics of spectacle, he kept true to old-school coalition politics. He understood that the Black Church mattered more in Democratic primaries than any amount of Twitter snark, and, by keeping a low profile on social media, showed that social-media politics was a mirage. Throughout the dark, dystopian post-election months of Trump’s tantrum—which led to the insurrection on January 6th—many Democrats deplored Biden’s seeming passivity, his reluctance to call a coup a coup and a would-be dictator a would-be dictator. Instead, he and his team were remarkably (to many, it seemed, exasperatingly) focussed on counting the votes, trusting the process, and staffing the government.
It looked at the time dangerously passive; it turned out to be patiently wise, for Biden and his team, widely attacked as pusillanimous centrists with no particular convictions, are in fact ideologues. Their ideology is largely invisible but no less ideological for refusing to present itself out in the open. It is the belief, animating Biden’s whole career, that there is a surprisingly large area of agreement in American life and that, by appealing to that area of agreement, electoral victory and progress can be found.
More at https://www.newyorker.com/news/daily-comment/bidens-invisible-ideology
or at
https://web.archive.org/web/20210712200728/https://www.newyorker.com/n
ews/daily-comment/bidens-invisible-ideology
The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly
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The Lies Were Always the Point
Back when Donald Trump was the main one telling lies and his boosters were scrambling all around him to make it so, there was a certain comic quality to it all: What was the point in distorting weather maps or crowd sizes just to flatter a weirdo narcissist? Experts in authoritarianism were warning that this type of manipulation was how strongmen cling to power, sure, but it seemed easy enough to push it away and assume that once he was no longer president, the persistent flattery and adjusting of reality for his benefit would stop. But it’s now clear that the falsehood itself is the endgame. As historian Timothy Snyder cautioned after the Jan. 6 insurrection at the Capitol, “When we give up on truth, we concede power to those with the wealth and charisma to create spectacle in its place. Without agreement about some basic facts, citizens cannot form the civil society that would allow them to defend themselves. If we lose the institutions that produce facts that are pertinent to us, then we tend to wallow in attractive abstractions and fictions.” That’s why debates about whether Trumpism can exist post-Trump or why the GOP has refused to abandon Trump miss the point. The point is that the GOP has abandoned truth. Trump himself is ancillary to that move.
The temptation has always been to try to sort the Trump lies into the hilarious ones and the pernicious ones, but that, too, misses the point. If the lying itself is the objective, the difference between the clueless whopper and the sly distortion is immaterial; in fact, the clueless whopper can be more potent because it offers up greater spectacle and affords more opportunity for performing loyalty. As recently as the second impeachment, the clueless whopper—about peaceful protesters and false flag antifa activists at the capitol—lived largely in the fever swamps. A few months later, it is being parroted by Trump and members of the Senate. The Big Lie, however absurd it might be, can overtake reality so fast the only trick anyone need master is the patience to ride it out. That means the only strategy needed for liars is to repeat the lie. Trump, who had little mastery of most skills, was always a wizard at this move.
For years, Trump used the phrase “many people are saying” to essentially mean “someday people will be saying.” He did so understanding that if you say such things enough times, someone somewhere will parrot it as a fundamental truth, and then your initial statement will be true(ish—many people will be saying the untrue thing). “Many people are saying [this lie]” was always code for “if we get people to say [this lie], it will seem true.” Trump’s admission of that principle at CPAC on Sunday gave away the game. He confessed, about polling numbers, that “if it’s bad, I say it’s fake. If it’s good, I say, that’s the most accurate poll perhaps ever.” The lie thus goes from a fiction in the lizard brain of a dangerously delusional man to headline news to gospel for people who have been trained to invert whatever they see from the news. In which case why wouldn’t Rudy Giuliani advise Trump on election night 2020 that he should simply lie and claim victory? That had been the game all along.
The courts are attempting to separate the liars from their lies, by sanctioning the liars. But when simply spreading the lie is the point, that proves trickier than you might imagine. At a hearing before a federal court in Detroit on Monday, in which a judge probed how it could be the case that Trump’s election lawyers filed hundreds of pages of unverified speculation and gobsmacking errors in a case seeking to decertify Joe Biden’s victory in Michigan, the problem was laid bare: A Zoom screen full of attorneys bound by sworn obligations of candor, civility, and truth joyfully contended that people were saying false things. Lawyers representing Trump’s campaign, including Sidney Powell and Lin Wood were called out by U.S. District Court Judge Linda Parker for bolstering their pleadings with false, unsupported, and speculative cl
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And he who is not sufficiently courageous to defend his soul — don’t let him be proud of his ‘progressive’ views, and don’t let him boast that he is an academician or a people’s artist, a distinguished figure or a general. Let him say to himself: I am a part of the herd and a coward. It’s all the same to me as long as I’m fed and kept warm.
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Originally posted by second:
The Lies Were Always the Point
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And he who is not sufficiently courageous to defend his soul — don’t let him be proud of his ‘progressive’ views, and don’t let him boast that he is an academician or a people’s artist, a distinguished figure or a general. Let him say to himself: I am a part of the herd and a coward. It’s all the same to me as long as I’m fed and kept warm.
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Quote:That's just about where I stopped reading bc I know the author is lying.
Originally posted by second:
The Lies Were Always the Point
Back when Donald Trump was the main one telling lies and his boosters were scrambling all around him to make it so, there was a certain comic quality to it all: What was the point in distorting weather maps or crowd sizes just to flatter a weirdo narcissist? Experts in authoritarianism were warning that this type of manipulation was how strongmen cling to power, sure, but it seemed easy enough to push it away and assume that once he was no longer president, the persistent flattery and adjusting of reality for his benefit would stop. But it’s now clear that the falsehood itself is the endgame. As historian Timothy Snyder cautioned after the Jan. 6 insurrection
Anyone who refers to Jan 6 as an "insurrection" is "adjusting reality" for a political purposes (= propagandizing). And unless they acknowledge the real lies ... RUSSIA!RUSSIA!RUSSIA! ... Collusion!..."white supremacy is the biggest threat our nation faces!"... "quid pro quo!"... "Russia paid bounties in Afghanistan!" ... "Mostly peaceful" riots... etc etc .... lies that we were ENDLESSLY deluged with for five years (and counting!)
Plus the lies of omission: Hunter Biden's laptop and his dad's involvement in Hunter's money-making schemes; whitewashing Hillary, Brennan, and Obama; the potentially artificial origin of Covid-19...
Lies that seem to have permanently distorted the thinking of about 40% of America and set Americans against each other ...
I will never trust a word they say or write.
Why should I believe propagada?
Oh, and BTW, if you want to see what a REAL insurrection looks like, try this:
Quote:PRODUCE facts? Facts are discovered, not "produced". Unless, of course, you're in the business of producing propaganda.
“When we give up on truth, we concede power to those with the wealth and charisma to create spectacle in its place. Without agreement about some basic facts, citizens cannot form the civil society that would allow them to defend themselves. If we lose the institutions that produce facts
PLEASE, STOP POSTING PROPAGANDA, SECONDRATE. Put at least a little shitscreen on before you splatter the board!
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Pity would be no more,
If we did not MAKE men poor - William Blake
THUGR posts about Putin so much, he must be in love.
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Quote:Story on Jan 5: Despite pressure from U.S. President Donald Trump to help overturn his election loss, Vice President Mike Pence will stick to his ceremonial duties and not block Wednesday’s certification by Congress of President-elect Joe Biden’s victory, advisers said. Trump ramped up pressure on Pence on Tuesday to block congressional certification of the November election results in an ongoing attempt to stay in power, after dozens of lawsuits by his campaign challenging the outcome failed in U.S. courts.
Originally posted by SIGNYM:
I stopped reading bc I know the author is lying.
Anyone who refers to Jan 6 as an "insurrection" is "adjusting reality" for a political purposes (= propagandizing). And unless they acknowledge the real lies ... RUSSIA!RUSSIA!RUSSIA! ...
www.reuters.com/article/us-usa-election-pence/despite-trump-pressure-p
ence-will-not-block-bidens-election-certification-advisers-idUSKBN29A2J0
Senate Majority Leader McConnell (R-KY) spoke about the January 6 attack on the U.S. Capitol, and blamed President Trump for inciting the riot. The video is here:
https://www.c-span.org/video/?507835-4/senator-mcconnell-attack-us-cap
itol
"President Trump claimed the election was stolen." Senator Majority Leader Mitch McConnell, R-Ky., expressed his concern about the effort to overturn the 2020 presidential election as he spoke on the Senate Floor. McConnell said “If this election were overturned by mere allegations from the losing side our democracy would enter a death spiral. We’d never see the whole nation accept the election again.” The video is here:
https://www.nbcboston.com/news/politics/biden-administration/mcconnell
s-full-speech-on-senate-floor/2273479/
But what would McConnell know? Signym can't trust him because he has never been as big a friend to Trump as crazy Russian troll Signym. What about Mike Pence, Trump's Vice-President? Pence waited until June 24th before saying this:
Former vice-president Mike Pence used a speech late on Thursday to go much further than he has before in public to rebuke Donald Trump’s efforts to overturn the Republican defeat in the 2020 presidential election, while adding he will “always be proud” of playing his part to certify Joe Biden’s victory. The US Congress, with Pence presiding in the Senate, confirmed the election result in the early hours of 7 January after the deadly insurrection the day before by extremist supporters of Trump, shortly after the then president had urged them “to fight like hell” to reverse his defeat and pressured Pence not to certify Biden’s win.
www.theguardian.com/us-news/2021/jun/25/mike-pence-trump-capitol-attac
k-election-result
'Hang Mike Pence': Twitter stops phrase trending after Capitol riot. Chant was heard in the US Capitol on Wednesday as pro-Trump mob, incited by the president, stormed the building.
www.theguardian.com/us-news/2021/jan/10/hang-mike-pence-twitter-stops-
phrase-trending-capitol-breach
The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly
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