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Nothing good comes out of the next two years.
If we're lucky, nothing bad does either.
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A government is a body of people usually, notably, governed by Mark Zuckerborg and Slack Dorsey.
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JO - after a long post about democratic* policy in the next 2 years, all YOU can come up with in reply is a post about crowd size?
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Quote:You got your wish because Democratic senators Kyrsten Sinema, D-Ariz., and Joe Manchin, D-W.Va. have decided to join with the Republicans. If Sinema and Manchin don't change their ways, the Senate will stay deadlocked:
Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:
Nothing good comes out of the next two years.
If we're lucky, nothing bad does either.
Senate Minority Leader Mitch McConnell said that he is ready to move ahead with a Senate power-sharing agreement after two Democratic senators said they won’t support ending the legislative filibuster, a central sticking point for the GOP in the talks.
In a statement released late Monday, the Kentucky Republican said his concerns about the filibuster rule, which requires 60 votes for most legislation to advance, had been assuaged by comments from Democratic senators Kyrsten Sinema, D-Ariz., and Joe Manchin, D-W.Va., reaffirming their opposition to its elimination. Their statements earlier Monday signaled that Democrats don’t have the votes needed to kill the filibuster, since it would take all 50 Democrats, plus Vice President Kamala Harris, voting as a bloc to kill the filibuster unilaterally.
https://www.marketwatch.com/story/mcconnell-agrees-to-senate-power-sha
ring-agreement-11611634411
With the Republicans able to veto anything Biden needs, it is almost certain Biden will lose the 2024 election. But lose to who? Donald Trump can be back in the White House since the GOP Senators, except for Mitt Romney, won't convict Donald Trump for inciting violence against the government of the United States. If Trump wants to be President, again, the job is his, thanks to Sens. Kyrsten Sinema and Joe Manchin.
The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly
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Even Biden* doesn't look to want to end the filibuster.
If anything, the ones who oppose it now know that if they remove it, it will hurt them in the future.
You've got to stop being so reactionary and using that Checkers mindset. Time to start playing chess. Everything in the entire world isn't about one single "bad" man that you don't like.
If you give Democrats new toys, you give those same toys to Republicans too. If you take the Republican's toys away today, you take those same toys away from Democrats tomorrow too.
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And this comment seems to be quite confusing:
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In a statement released late Monday, the Kentucky Republican said his concerns about the filibuster rule, which requires 60 votes for most legislation to advance, had been assuaged by comments from Democratic senators Kyrsten Sinema, D-Ariz., and Joe Manchin, D-W.Va., reaffirming their opposition to its elimination. Their statements earlier Monday signaled that Democrats don’t have the votes needed to kill the filibuster, since it would take all 50 Democrats, plus Vice President Kamala Harris, voting as a bloc to kill the filibuster unilaterally.
Why are people assuming that a 51/50 vote with the VP on board would be enough to kill a rule that requires 60 votes for legislation to advance?
I don't think their math is right on this one. They'd better start courting those NeoCons like Romney who get giddy at the thought of being able to push whatever they want through unchecked the next time Republicans have 51 seats.
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Quote:That has never been how it works, 6ix. The filibuster has already been removed for appointments of judges. And the Senate can change the rules whenever. Matter of fact, the House of Representatives could decide it also wants to carry over the rules of filibuster in order to make the House just as dysfunctional as the Senate.
Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:
If you give Democrats new toys, you give those same toys to Republicans too. If you take the Republican's toys away today, you take those same toys away from Democrats tomorrow too.
Nearly everybody in Congress wants to avoid making decisions. That is why there is a filibuster in the first place. That's why Congress hasn't declared war since 1942. Americans have elected, for the most part, Congressmen who no more feel responsible for what happens than the average American feels about what happens at their jobs. So we get the expected crappy results.
https://www.senate.gov/reference/reference_index_subjects/Cloture_vrd.
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The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly
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Quote:
Originally posted by second:
Nearly everybody in Congress wants to avoid making decisions. That is why there is a filibuster in the first place. That's why Congress hasn't declared war since 1942. Americans have elected, for the most part, Congressmen who no more feel responsible for what happens than the average American feels about what happens at their jobs. So we get the expected crappy results.
https://www.senate.gov/reference/reference_index_subjects/Cloture_vrd.
htm
I'll agree with you there.
Nobody likes Congressmen or House Reps outside of their immediate family.
Even that statement might be too generous on my part.
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Quote:This pretty well describes what is going on between Americans and their own Congressman: Americans Down on Congress, OK With Own Representative. Congressional approval at 16% in May.
Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:
I'll agree with you there.
Nobody likes Congressmen or House Reps outside of their immediate family.
Even that statement might be too generous on my part.
https://news.gallup.com/poll/162362/americans-down-congress-own-repres
entative.aspx
What Americans hate about Congress is that all the other Congressmen, but not their own, are worthless. How the hell did America get into such a weird place? Because the typical Congressman tries to avoid doing anything that will lose the love of a majority of voters in only his district (or state if he is a Senator). He doesn't care what voters in other districts or states think of him. Republican Senators have an advantage because of that. Republican voters think more or less alike in all the states, while Democratic voters are different between states, even different in the next city. That's why the Democratic Congressmen have a very difficult time sticking together as one group with one goal. The Democratic Congressmen are forever bitching about one another because D voters in one state are very different from other states' D voters.
A Democrat like LBJ could handle Senators while he was President or, before, when he was majority leader in the Senate, by threatening politely yet believably to destroy a Democratic Senator who stepped out of line or reward if they behave well. Biden is not going to threaten the two renegade Democratic Senators, Joe Manchin of West Virginia and Kyrsten Sinema of Arizona, and so Biden is not going to get anything done in the Senate. Maybe Biden should read LBJ's biography to find out how to lead Democrats?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Years_of_Lyndon_Johnson
I think LBJ learned how to handle Senators because he was a teacher for years in a one-room schoolhouse in Texas. He learned how to punish/persuade children and he applied what he learned to immature Democratic Senators who also need punishment/persuasion.
Download the LBJ biography for free: https://libgen.unblockit.ltd/search.php?req=Robert+A.+Caro
The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly
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Again though, that's not everybody.
I've already emailed my congressmen to let them know that they will not be getting my vote.
I've also successfully been a part of voting out one of our last senators, and was quite displeased when enough of our state's electorate didn't vote Libertarian with me to vote out our Governor in November.
Dude is a piece of shit.
Oh... lol. Did I ever mention that I'm not a Republican?
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The Senate Filibuster Has Already Been Abolished
At the risk of saying the obvious, isn’t it true that the legislative filibuster has already been abolished? Sure, there hasn’t been an official announcement or anything, but everyone agrees that the majority party can pass a piece of legislation with 51 votes anytime they feel like it.** It just takes a simple point of order and a ruling from the vice president.
The fact that no one has done this yet is immaterial. What matters is the consensus that it can be done at will. This means the filibuster no longer exists in any meaningful way. So how about if we forget about it and move on?
**Assuming that the Senate and the White House are controlled by the same party. But that’s been the case for all but two years of the past decade and it’s the case now.
https://www.motherjones.com/kevin-drum/2021/01/the-senate-filibuster-h
as-already-been-abolished/
In order for the legislative filibuster to be eliminated, Senators Manchin and Sinema will now have to flip flop on their recent public statements. They may still decide to do this (esp for a popular piece of legislation the GOP refuses to pass), but they are in tight States electorally and probably don’t want to be seen as hypocritical. McConnell’s strategy of withholding power sharing until he got these public statements has thus increased the Dems’ cost to eliminate the filibuster. It also knocked the credibility out of any future threat by Schumer in negotiations with McConnell that Schumer could easily pass legislation on 51 Dem votes.
Sen. Joe Manchin III, who is set to become chairman of the Senate Energy and Natural Resources Committee is , as far as I understand , a conservative Democrat from one of the reddest states in the country , West Virginia ( or more precisely a Republican in everything except the suffix D) . In this position is he one of the most influential persons in Washington.
Manchin who oversaw a coal brokerage before running for public office. His most recent financial disclosures show that he holds stocks worth between $1 million and $5 million in Enersystems, the coal brokerage firm he used to run.
“Manchin has already said he doesn’t support eliminating the filibuster as a way to enable Democrats to pass bills without Republican votes. If Democrats are to fight climate change, he wants them to do it the old fashioned way — his way. That means deals forged through compromise, the gears of government greased by long-standing relationships”
.... good luck in implementing any laws seriously targeting Climate Breakdown.
It is easier to understand Manchin's politics if you view him as a moderate Republican who calls himself a Dem because if he actually ran as a Republican a more conservative GOP primary challenger would absolutely smoke him in a primary. Everything else he does follows that. I think that’s the best explanation I’ve ever seen. And it also brings real clarity to the difficulty of having Manchin in the Democratic Party. It tends to pull both parties sharply to the right. As a Republican, Manchin would tend to force that party to the left, whilst as as Democrat, he either pulls the (admittedly nominally) center-left to the right when it appeases him or forces abandonment of the party’s agenda.
The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly
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