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THG
Monday, October 19, 2020 6:52 PM

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Stupid people don't know they're stupid, and they certainly don't realize how obvious it is to others.

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Monday, October 19, 2020 6:54 PM

Reposted, since it was buried by idiot Ted ^

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Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:
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Originally posted by second:
$4.4 trillion in losses due to premature deaths (assuming a relatively conservative statistical value of $7 million is placed on each life lost, and that current trajectories continue, which would lead to 625,000 cumulative deaths associated with the pandemic through next year in the United States);



That's a ridiculous number.

Nobody is putting $7 million on the life of old people riddled with other illnesses and weaknesses before they get the virus.

Nearly all of them don't work and haven't for quite some time. Nearly all of them are drawing from Social Security. Nearly all of them were already bleeding the healthcare system. Nearly all of them have organs that were used for a very long life and are worthless as transplants to healthy people when they pass. Absolutely none of them are pumping the amount of money required into a life insurance policy that would leave their family with $7 million when they die.

The fact that the article would state something so ludicrous makes the numbers they came up with for every other point suspect.

Do Right, Be Right. :)



Do Right, Be Right. :)

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Monday, October 19, 2020 7:08 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:
Reposted, since it was buried by idiot Ted ^

Quote:

Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:
Quote:

Originally posted by second:
$4.4 trillion in losses due to premature deaths (assuming a relatively conservative statistical value of $7 million is placed on each life lost, and that current trajectories continue, which would lead to 625,000 cumulative deaths associated with the pandemic through next year in the United States);



That's a ridiculous number.

Nobody is putting $7 million on the life of old people riddled with other illnesses and weaknesses before they get the virus.

Nearly all of them don't work and haven't for quite some time. Nearly all of them are drawing from Social Security. Nearly all of them were already bleeding the healthcare system. Nearly all of them have organs that were used for a very long life and are worthless as transplants to healthy people when they pass. Absolutely none of them are pumping the amount of money required into a life insurance policy that would leave their family with $7 million when they die.

The fact that the article would state something so ludicrous makes the numbers they came up with for every other point suspect.

Do Right, Be Right. :)



Do Right, Be Right. :)

And you still have no idea what you're talking about.


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Monday, October 19, 2020 7:20 PM

How Fox News molds reality into a serialized TV drama
The No. 1 news network tells “stories” in a surprisingly similar fashion to a show like Lost.
https://www.vox.com/culture/21503196/fox-news-tv-drama-serialized-lost

If you spend a whole week watching five consecutive nights of a given Fox News program, especially in the network’s primetime lineup, you may notice something unusual: It’s structured like a soap opera. “Storylines” — the president’s strength in battling Covid-19, say — are layered throughout the week in a way where they can temporarily pause with a “payoff” on Thursday or Friday that will carry viewers forward into the next week. This serialization keeps viewers hooked, which is good for the network’s ratings. But it also creates an irresponsible view of how the world operates.

Consider the following storyline about the supposed evils of antifa — the principle of fighting against fascism, which Fox News has redefined as a global organization with shadowy, undefined aims — that Tucker Carlson’s program has used over and over in the last few years. Across a week, it will run, roughly, “Antifa is bad”; “Antifa is a threat to Republicans”; “Antifa is a threat to America”; “Antifa is a domestic terrorist organization and should be classified as such.” You can easily swap in any other left-leaning movement or cause in place of “antifa.” The story beats are always the same.

This method of “storytelling” — define a threat, elaborate on the threat, then propose a solution to said threat that will require viewers to keep tuning in to see how the proposed solution plays out — pops up everywhere on television, from soap operas to professional wrestling to primetime prestige series like Game of Thrones.

And it’s a mainstay on Fox News. The network’s most popular programs function less like nightly news reports and more like serialized dramas, where you have to watch every episode to really understand the “mythology.” There are so many villains and enemies in the Fox News “universe” that if you miss anything, you might not know who’s who. It’s similar to a program like Lost, where half the intrigue stems from trying to figure out how the pieces all fit together.


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Monday, October 19, 2020 7:51 PM

If you place a low value on human life, there is no justification to do anything about safety. No justification for the existence of government run Medicare/Social Security/EMT/Fire Departments, etc. It will always be cheaper to kill a person than to spend money to prevent their death.

As of 2011, the Environmental Protection Agency set the value of a human life at $9.1 million. Meanwhile, the Food and Drug Administration put it at $7.9 million — and the Department of Transportation figure was around $6 million. Are any of these the right answer?
www.theglobalist.com/the-cost-of-a-human-life-statistically-speaking/

There is kind of an official price tag on human life. We can tell you what it is. One human life is worth about US$10 million.
www.npr.org/2020/04/23/843310123/how-government-agencies-determine-the
-dollar-value-of-human-life


How Much Is a Human Life Actually Worth?
As the US economy reopens amid a deadly pandemic, a dire question looms. Let's weigh the risks—and do the math.
In 1981, an economist named Kip Viscusi suggested using VSL to make these decisions. As he later wrote, the math was pretty simple. The odds said that about 1 in 10,000 Americans died on the job every year—a risk of 1/10,000. And in return, people got paid an extra $300 a year for incurring that risk. So OK: 10,000 workers get $3 million in total to risk one of them dying. The VSL was $3 million, or about $8.9 million adjusted for inflation. Today, estimates for VSL hover between $9 million and $11 million.
www.wired.com/story/how-much-is-human-life-worth-in-dollars/

Quote:

Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:
Reposted, since it was buried by idiot Ted ^

Quote:

Originally posted by second:
$4.4 trillion in losses due to premature deaths (assuming a relatively conservative statistical value of $7 million is placed on each life lost, and that current trajectories continue, which would lead to 625,000 cumulative deaths associated with the pandemic through next year in the United States);



That's a ridiculous number.

Nobody is putting $7 million on the life of old people riddled with other illnesses and weaknesses before they get the virus.

Nearly all of them don't work and haven't for quite some time. Nearly all of them are drawing from Social Security. Nearly all of them were already bleeding the healthcare system. Nearly all of them have organs that were used for a very long life and are worthless as transplants to healthy people when they pass. Absolutely none of them are pumping the amount of money required into a life insurance policy that would leave their family with $7 million when they die.

The fact that the article would state something so ludicrous makes the numbers they came up with for every other point suspect.

Do Right, Be Right. :)

Voters, please wake up and take notice of The $16-Trillion Virus:

The costs through the fall of 2021, assuming the pandemic is largely controlled by then, break down as follows:

$7.6 trillion in lost economic output, according to estimates by the Congressional Budget Office;

$4.4 trillion in losses due to premature deaths (assuming a relatively conservative statistical value of $7 million is placed on each life lost, and that current trajectories continue, which would lead to 625,000 cumulative deaths associated with the pandemic through next year in the United States);

$2.6 trillion in health-care costs associated with long-term complications among survivors;

$1.6 trillion in increased mental-health costs attributable to the pandemic if the mental-health effects last just a year.

$16.2 trillion, is approximately 90 percent of the annual GDP of the United States, and far exceeds the costs associated with conventional recessions in this country.

www.harvardmagazine.com/2020/10/16-trillion-virus

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly

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Monday, October 19, 2020 8:35 PM

And now, some good news.




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Monday, October 19, 2020 9:02 PM

Is that your home country?

Do Right, Be Right. :)

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Monday, October 19, 2020 9:07 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by second:
If you place a low value on human life, there is no justification to do anything about safety. No justification for the existence of government run Medicare/Social Security/EMT/Fire Departments, etc. It will always be cheaper to kill a person than to spend money to prevent their death.

As of 2011, the Environmental Protection Agency set the value of a human life at $9.1 million. Meanwhile, the Food and Drug Administration put it at $7.9 million — and the Department of Transportation figure was around $6 million. Are any of these the right answer?
www.theglobalist.com/the-cost-of-a-human-life-statistically-speaking/

There is kind of an official price tag on human life. We can tell you what it is. One human life is worth about US$10 million.
www.npr.org/2020/04/23/843310123/how-government-agencies-determine-the
-dollar-value-of-human-life


How Much Is a Human Life Actually Worth?
As the US economy reopens amid a deadly pandemic, a dire question looms. Let's weigh the risks—and do the math.
In 1981, an economist named Kip Viscusi suggested using VSL to make these decisions. As he later wrote, the math was pretty simple. The odds said that about 1 in 10,000 Americans died on the job every year—a risk of 1/10,000. And in return, people got paid an extra $300 a year for incurring that risk. So OK: 10,000 workers get $3 million in total to risk one of them dying. The VSL was $3 million, or about $8.9 million adjusted for inflation. Today, estimates for VSL hover between $9 million and $11 million.
www.wired.com/story/how-much-is-human-life-worth-in-dollars/
Quote:

Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:
Reposted, since it was buried by idiot Ted ^

Quote:

Originally posted by second:
$4.4 trillion in losses due to premature deaths (assuming a relatively conservative statistical value of $7 million is placed on each life lost, and that current trajectories continue, which would lead to 625,000 cumulative deaths associated with the pandemic through next year in the United States);



That's a ridiculous number.

Nobody is putting $7 million on the life of old people riddled with other illnesses and weaknesses before they get the virus.

Nearly all of them don't work and haven't for quite some time. Nearly all of them are drawing from Social Security. Nearly all of them were already bleeding the healthcare system. Nearly all of them have organs that were used for a very long life and are worthless as transplants to healthy people when they pass. Absolutely none of them are pumping the amount of money required into a life insurance policy that would leave their family with $7 million when they die.

The fact that the article would state something so ludicrous makes the numbers they came up with for every other point suspect.

Do Right, Be Right. :)



$4.4 trillion in losses due to premature deaths (assuming a relatively conservative statistical value of $7 million is placed on each life lost, and that current trajectories continue, which would lead to 625,000 cumulative deaths associated with the pandemic through next year in the United States);



You didn't address my point at all.

I'm going to assume that this $7 Million per life lost is an average for every single American, regardless of age and/or potential.

Most people on the bottom rung are never going to have the opportunity to output enough to even cover what they consumed, let alone $7 Million during the span of their entire lifetimes.

And most people by a large margin who have died of Covid were well past their prime, not even capable of any economic output, and spending the rest of their lives sucking at the teet.

Tell the author of that article to use real world factors instead of bastardizing numbers to make his or her point.

Do Right, Be Right. :)

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THG
Monday, October 19, 2020 9:15 PM

Republicans are ready to remember they hate the deficit again under Joe Biden

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/republicans-are-ready-to-remem
ber-they-hate-the-deficit-again-under-joe-biden/ar-BB1aaqXL?ocid=msedgntp


T

Stupid people don't know they're stupid, and they certainly don't realize how obvious it is to others.

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