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If you coud get enuf voterz to agree to vote for an independent, it woud bypass the money and take away alot uv the power the partyz uzee to biopolize the election.
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Quote:Politics is crude, but not as crude as the model you are using of buying a Senator. During the Gilded Age, monopolists who wanted a favor from a Senator would give him a bag of money to spend as he pleases. Congress had to make that explicitly illegal to stop those crude idiot-Senators. Nowadays what the Wall St is buying with their donations is time on the phone with a Senator to layout a case of how wonderful it would be for America if only Wall St could do as it pleased. Senators are suppose to handle those calls the way AARP recommends to retired people -- ask the salesman to put your name on the Do-Not-Call list, then hangup. Don't listen to the sales pitch. But some Senators won't hangup because they are idiots or they actually are crooks.
Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:
What are you talking about, idiot?
Warren has said on many occasions that she's taking big donor money for the General.
Who gives a shit that she's not doing it in the primary when she's going to be bought and paid for in the end anyhow?Quote:
Sen. Elizabeth Warren (D-Mass) talked with MSNBC's Chris Hayes Monday about her 2020 presidential campaign, including her decision to forego big-ticket fundraisers during the Democratic primary but not in the general election
The sellout went into great detail about this with Cenk of TYT as well, but TYT seems to have removed that video because they like the sellout.
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Phil Gramm was one of those crooked Senators. He went from the Banking Committee to directly work for a Bank. And he got a multi-million dollar salary from the bank versus his $174,000/year Senate pay. Gramm does not see what is wrong with that, but Elizabeth Warren does. Unfortunately, what Gramm is doing is not illegal, unlike if he just took a suitcase full of hundred dollar bills from the Bank as a bribe.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Phil_Gramm#Current_employment
The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly
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Quote:
Originally posted by second:Quote:Politics is crude, but not as crude as the model you are using of buying a Senator.
Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:
What are you talking about, idiot?
Warren has said on many occasions that she's taking big donor money for the General.
Who gives a shit that she's not doing it in the primary when she's going to be bought and paid for in the end anyhow?Quote:
Sen. Elizabeth Warren (D-Mass) talked with MSNBC's Chris Hayes Monday about her 2020 presidential campaign, including her decision to forego big-ticket fundraisers during the Democratic primary but not in the general election
The sellout went into great detail about this with Cenk of TYT as well, but TYT seems to have removed that video because they like the sellout.
Do Right, Be Right. :)
*flowery bullshit*
You said that Warren was strong willed and implied that she is above taking big money.
Warren said the same thing, then reneged on it.
Don't care about any of your changing of the subject beyond that. Just admit that you are wrong.
Again.
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How these well-intended political reforms landed us with Donald Trump
1) Campaign finance reform
The concept behind campaign finance reform was to make elections more democratic by limiting the amount of money voters could contribute to individual candidates and to federal election campaigns in total. But the unintended consequence of this regulation was to drive our politics to extremes. Political campaigns have become dauntingly expensive. The average Senate race can cost more than $20 million; and a presidential election costs more than $1 billion. In order to raise that kind of money with a $2,800 individual giving limit, a candidate must attract tens of thousands of people to write individual checks. To get those checks, the popular winning strategy is to scare voters into thinking they will lose their gun rights, or their abortion rights, or their jobs. A losing strategy is to promise that the candidate will seek bipartisan compromise in pursuit of more effective government.
2) The demise of the “smoke-filled room”
Party candidates used to be selected behind closed doors in “smoke-filled rooms.” The people in those rooms had risen to political influence in a competitive process, were professionally committed to electoral success, and were choosing candidates they knew personally and as professional peers. In other words: Donald Trump would not have emerged from such a process.
But the method was neither transparent nor democratic. To address this, both parties adopted direct primaries in the 1970s, and since then primary voters have done the choosing. On average, only about 20% of the eligible electorate votes in primaries. Those voters lean toward the extremes: They are generally the ideologues who pull the Democratic party to the left and the Republican party to the right.
More at https://qz.com/1716179/
The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly
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Still doesn't address the fact that Warren is not who you were claiming she was.
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Quote:There is a reason I won't. Warren is not who you think I think she is, but me correcting you is of no interest to me. You are a waste of my time.
Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:
Still doesn't address the fact that Warren is not who you were claiming she was.
In general, correcting Republicans is a waste of time for Democrats. You're mentally impaired. Republicans need to fix what is wrong inside their own heads, but they ain't gonna do the work to get their heads aligned with reality. I'll give you an example of where reality does not match what is inside Trump's head. Trump won't do the work necessary to correct himself. He is happy to be wrong and not know it and Democrats telling him won't change him:
The public is frustrated with Congress’ lack of progress on policy issues and therefore the parties have adopted strategies centered on blaming the other party for inaction.
This theme recurs in recent Trump tweets on subjects ranging from China to House Speaker Nancy Pelosi to nothing in particular, all of which repeat the phrase “Do Nothing Democrats.” Trump refuses to learn what the Democrats have done.
Under the circumstances, it’s worth emphasizing that Trump's tweets are simply false. House Democrats have passed a lot of bills, including conceptually ambitious legislation to curb corruption in politics and begin to address climate change along with a host of smaller measures. They’ve passed legislation on background checks for gun buyers, tried to reauthorize the Violence Against Women Act, tried to extend nondiscrimination rules to LGBTQ people, and tried to raise the minimum wage to $15/hour. The reason these bills — and measures addressing prescription drug prices, insurance for people with preexisting conditions, and consumer protection in financial services — aren’t going anywhere is that Senate Majority Leader Mitch McConnell won’t bring them up for votes.
It isn’t even that these bills are being defeated in the Senate. McConnell is aware that these are popular measures, and he doesn’t want to make his members cast unpopular votes against them. Consequently, Republicans have simply refused to let them come to the floor, even while pretending to be mad that Democrats are too busy with impeachment to legislate.
More at www.vox.com/policy-and-politics/2019/9/30/20891128/trump-tweets-schiff
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The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly
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The Washington Post tells us today, for about the hundredth time, that Midwest farmers are fed up with President Trump. Between his tariffs and his ethanol exemptions and his inability to make a deal with China, farmers are losing patience with a president they eagerly supported at first.
But I’ll save you the trouble of reading the whole thing. Here’s the only sentence that really matters:
Many of those grumbling about Trump today concede they are unlikely to vote for a Democratic presidential candidate next year.
Look: either you’re willing to vote for someone else or you’re not. If you’re not, then your grumbles are meaningless and Trump doesn’t care about you. That goes for both voters and members of Congress. It’s not complicated.
www.motherjones.com/kevin-drum/2019/10/midwest-farmers-continue-to-sup
port-trump-part-234/
The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly
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Quote:
Originally posted by second:
The Washington Post tells us today, for about the hundredth time, that Midwest farmers are fed up with President Trump. Between his tariffs and his ethanol exemptions and his inability to make a deal with China, farmers are losing patience with a president they eagerly supported at first.
But I’ll save you the trouble of reading the whole thing. Here’s the only sentence that really matters:
Many of those grumbling about Trump today concede they are unlikely to vote for a Democratic presidential candidate next year.
Look: either you’re willing to vote for someone else or you’re not. If you’re not, then your grumbles are meaningless and Trump doesn’t care about you. That goes for both voters and members of Congress. It’s not complicated.
www.motherjones.com/kevin-drum/2019/10/midwest-farmers-continue-to-sup
port-trump-part-234/
The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly
Completely missing the message that Democrats in 2019 are so terrible that the people who are providing us with food to eat would still rather vote for Trump.
It is, in fact, very complicated.
Oh, and fuck Warren. She is exactly who I say she is. She's a shill that lies about not taking big donor money, and then turns around and takes big donor money.
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Here Comes the Trump Slump (And he has only himself to blame)
Donald Trump loves to boast about the economy, claiming to have achieved unprecedented things. As it happens, none of his claims are true. While both G.D.P. and employment have registered solid growth, the Trump economy continued a long expansion that began under Barack Obama. In fact, someone who looked at only economic data would never guess that an election had taken place.
But now it’s starting to look as if Trump really will achieve something unique: He may well be the first president of modern times to preside over a slump that can be directly attributed to his own policies, rather than bad luck.
There has always been a deep unfairness about the relationship between economics and politics: Presidents get both credit and blame for events that usually have little to do with their actions. Jimmy Carter didn’t cause the stagflation that put Ronald Reagan in the White House; George H.W. Bush didn’t cause the economic weakness that elected Bill Clinton; even George W. Bush bears at most tangential responsibility for the 2008 financial crisis.
More recently, the “mini-recession” of 2015-16, a slump in manufacturing that may have tipped the scale to Trump, was caused mainly by a plunge in energy prices rather than any of Barack Obama’s policies.
Now the U.S. economy is going through another partial slump. Once again, manufacturing is contracting. Agriculture is also taking a severe hit, as is shipping. Overall output and employment are still growing, but around a fifth of the economy is effectively in recession.
But unlike previous presidents, who were just unlucky to preside over slumps, Trump has done this to himself, largely by choosing to wage a trade war he insisted would be “good, and easy to win.”
The link between the trade war and agriculture’s woes is obvious: America’s farmers are deeply dependent on export markets, China in particular. So they’re hurting badly, despite a huge financial bailout that is already more than twice as big as the Obama administration’s auto bailout.
Shipping may also seem an obvious victim when tariffs reduce international trade, although it’s not just an international issue; domestic trucking is also in recession.
The manufacturing slump is more surprising. After all, America runs a large trade deficit in manufactured goods, so you might expect that tariffs, by forcing buyers to turn to domestic suppliers, would be good for the sector. That’s surely what Trump and his advisers thought would happen.
But that’s not how it has worked out. Instead, the trade war has clearly hurt U.S. manufacturing. Indeed, it has done considerably more damage than even Trump critics like yours truly expected.
The Trumpist trade warriors, it turns out, missed two key points. First, many U.S. manufacturers depend heavily on imported parts and other inputs; the trade war is disrupting their supply chains. Second, Trump’s trade policy isn’t just protectionist, it’s erratic, creating vast uncertainty for businesses both here and abroad. And businesses are responding to that uncertainty by putting plans for investment and job creation on hold.
So Trump has bungled his way into a slump, even if it isn’t a full-blown recession, at least so far. It’s clearly going to hurt him politically, notably because of the contrast between his big talk and not-so-great reality. Also, the pain in manufacturing seems to be falling especially hard on those swing states Trump took by tiny margins in 2016, giving him the Electoral College despite losing the popular vote.
And while many presidents have found themselves confronting politically damaging economic adversity, Trump is, as I said, unique in that he really did this to himself.
Of course, that doesn’t mean that he will accept responsibility for his mistakes. For the past few months he has been trying to portray the Federal Reserve as the root of all economic evil, even though current interest rates are well below those his own officials predicted in their triumphalist eco
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Oh. And BTW... about Warren.
She just didn't double dip for the primary. She had a lot of donations from big donors left over from her senate bid that she rolled over into her presidential bid.
No new big donations for the primary, but a lot of old ones.
So her entire campaign was, in fact, kicked off by big donors.
Bernie might be a crazy old man and a socialist at heart, but at least he's not lying about anything. Hope his heart surgery went well.
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EDITED TO ADD:
Before somebody claims I'm not citing something, or I'm listening to fake news, here's something that is publicly available to everybody to do your own research, as to not have to rely on the Legacy Media lying to you one way or the other about it...
ELIZABETH FOR MA, INC WARREN FOR PRESIDENT, INC. PRIMARY MA 01/02/2019 $7,000,000.00
ELIZABETH FOR MA, INC WARREN FOR PRESIDENT, INC. PRIMARY MA 03/29/2019 $3,415,000.00
ELIZABETH FOR MA, INC WARREN FOR PRESIDENT, INC. PRIMARY MA 02/02/2019 $105,000.00
BULLY PULPIT WARREN FOR PRESIDENT, INC. PRIMARY DC 02/27/2019 $35,000.00
WEWORK COMPANIES INC. WARREN FOR PRESIDENT, INC. PRIMARY NY 02/26/2019 $10,425.00
WARREN, ELIZABETH WARREN FOR PRESIDENT, INC. PRIMARY MA 02/01/2019 $4,584.54
WEWORK COMPANIES INC. WARREN FOR PRESIDENT, INC. PRIMARY NY 04/10/2019 $4,337.50
ACTBLUE WARREN FOR PRESIDENT, INC. PRIMARY MA 04/30/2019 $3,000.00
MORROW, PATRICK WARREN FOR PRESIDENT, INC. PRIMARY MA 04/30/2019 $3,000.00
This is a list of the highest donations all the way through the individual capped donations of $2,800.00 which are not being argued here.
So, on record so far besides whatever WEWORK COMPANIES INC., BULLY PULPIT and ACTBLUE WARREN FOR PRESIDENT, INC. AND MORROW PATRIC WARREN FOR PRESIDENT INC. are, she's not technically lying about any new money for big donors coming in for the primary.
What she isn't telling you (lying by omission) is the fact that she started her primary bid with a grand total of $10,520,000 of campaign funds that she rolled over from her senate bid.
https://www.fec.gov/data/receipts/?committee_id=C00693234&two_year
_transaction_period=2020&data_type=processed
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