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The Reagan administration opened up huge deficits thanks to regressive tax cuts. The Clinton administration closed those deficits with a mix of tax hikes and spending restraint. Then Bush opened up huge deficits with regressive tax cuts. The Obama administration closed them with a mix of tax hikes and spending restraint. And now Trump is opening up huge deficits with regressive tax cuts.
If regressive tax cuts were actually paired with spending cuts, they would be unpopular and wouldn’t pass. But if you let Republicans explode the deficit and then pressure Democrats to narrow it, you can obtain a sustainable tax-cutting agenda.
Whether the next president is Joe Biden or Bernie Sanders or Elizabeth Warren or Kamala Harris or someone else, they will likely want to prioritize expansion of health insurance coverage or investments in reducing greenhouse gas emissions. But it won’t happen because those priorities cost money. Instead, reducing Trump’s deficit will be the priority forced upon the President. The Democratic President will be faced with very loud and combative GOP Senators and the leftover GOP members of the Federal Reserve who fight to the death to reduce the deficit, although those same Republicans didn't even care to mildly express themselves about Trump's deficits.
www.vox.com/2019/8/27/20834878/bill-dudley-trump-fed-trade-war
The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly
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Originally posted by SECOND:
Donald Trump’s Racism: The Definitive List, Updated
www.nytimes.com/interactive/2018/01/15/opinion/leonhardt-trump-racist.
html
Ahh, thanks. That's the link I posted last time. It took me 2 seconds using a site called "Google" - pretty amazing site. Last time when I posted it I believe it was the agitator SIGNORANT that tried to shoot down every instance of Trump's obvious racist behavior (or maybe it was 6?).
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Beyond winning concessions from China, Trump's biggest political objective for 2019 remains getting the U.S.-Mexico-Canada Agreement, or USMCA, through Congress. A victory for the deal, which still faces heavy skepticism from progressive Democrats in the House, would remove one big piece of uncertainty for businesses with supply chains that run throughout North America. And it would give Trump a huge talking point for the campaign trail to show he was able to replace the prior North American Free Trade Agreement, known as NAFTA.
But the legislative calendar is growing very short for the year and the White House knows Democrats will be even less interested in handing Trump a victory ahead of an election.
“Once you get into the 2020 campaign, it is pretty hard to see Democrats passing the USMCA in an election year. I do think there is more optimism now about it passing this fall,” a senior administration official said.
www.politico.com/story/2019/09/04/trump-economy-recession-2020-1479978
In the meantime, NAFTA, not USMCA, governs the relation between the three countries of North America. What is not to like about that? Especially because there is no discernible difference between Bill Clinton's NAFTA and Trump's USMCA, except to Canadian diary farmers and Wisconsin cheese makers?
Wisconsin's Paul Ryan condemns Trump in “American Carnage” by Tim Alberta of Politico. Alberta wrote that the former Speaker of the House, who retired from Congress in 2018, could not stand the idea of another two years with the Republican president and saw retirement as the “escape hatch.” Ryan is quoted saying: “I’m telling you, he didn’t know anything about government. I wanted to scold him all the time.”
https://madison.com/wsj/news/local/govt-and-politics/donald-trump-push
es-trade-deal-in-wisconsin-after-unloading-on/article_c78ea529-9f93-5a88-8c37-d42c8c463449.html
The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly
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Originally posted by 1kiki:
Where's the EVIDENCE?
Quote:No, I would probably say they were CLAIMS, not evidence, since you and the MSM seem completely unable to distinguish the two.
Originally posted by SECOND:
1kiki, I look forward to you shooting down every single instance of Trumpian racism by claiming it is the opposite.
Quote:
Doing that should keep you busy for a minute, but if you want more examples to shoot down of Trump's racism, then google evidence that trump is racist.
I'm happy to take on the challenge. And I'll see your talking points and raise you a discussion with actual - yanno - facts.
The NYTimes
This is supposedly, according to the NYTimes, not just 'a' list of Trump's racism. NOPE! - it's THE DEFINITIVE !! list.
But first, a word about the NYTimes and their work as a propaganda arm.
I won't delve into their sordid past promoting the Iraq War. Everyone who has a memory bigger than that of a gnat remembers their shameful work.
Nor will I delve into their glory hole of work decrying Trump's collusion with Russia, even though the facts of the Mueller report were so painful I'm sure most of you have wiped the entire 2+ years' endlessly flogged topic from memory.
No, I'll simply point out their NEW anti-Trump propaganda narrative http://www.fireflyfans.net/mthread.aspx?tid=63225 If you're wondering why Russia died and is replaced with Muh Racisim...
Now, on to the topic at hand ...
Quote:
Donald Trump’s Racism: The Definitive List, Updated
www.nytimes.com/interactive/2018/01/15/opinion/leonhardt-trump-racist.
html
The very first example about housing discrimination in this screed
Quote:actually links to ANOTHER NYTimes story which specifically exonerates D. Trump as racist.
Trump’s real-estate company tried to avoid renting apartments to African-Americans in the 1970s and gave preferential treatment to whites, according to the federal government.
Quote:
https://www.nytimes.com/2016/07/24/opinion/sunday/is-donald-trump-a-ra
cist.html
In fairness, those suits date from long ago, and the discriminatory policies were probably put in place not by Donald Trump but by his father.
The second example has no names, and no links.
Quote:And not one link despite 'multiple sources'. And an anonymous quote of a quote from a 'former manager', unlinked to anything at all.
Trump treated black employees at his casinos differently from whites, according to multiple sources.
The third example is about the Central Park Five, which we're supposed to ASSUME is about Trump's singular ideas of guilt due to racism, even though the linked story within this list provides both examples of the NYPD as well as the DA who also maintained the 5 were guilty; along with examples of why someone might hold onto the idea for non-racist reasons.
Quote:This is from the link in 'the definitive list' to another NYTimes story, which is the (partial?) ad quoted from that story.
In 1989, Trump took out ads in New York newspapers urging the death penalty for five black and Latino teenagers accused of raping a white woman in Central Park
Quote:Oddly enough, when I take out the interpolated "he wrote" and put the entire quote into google (“Muggers and murderers should be forced to suffer and, when they kill, they should be executed for their crimes”), I get this: “Muggers and murderers ... should be forced to suffer and, when they kill, they should be executed for their crimes.
https://www.nytimes.com/2016/10/18/opinion/why-trump-doubled-down-on-t
he-central-park-five.html
“Muggers and murderers,” he wrote, “should be forced to suffer and, when they kill, they should be executed for their crimes.”
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Quote:
Originally posted by 1kiki:
The very first example about housing discrimination in this screedQuote:actually links to ANOTHER NYTimes story which specifically exonerates D. Trump as racist.
Trump’s real-estate company tried to avoid renting apartments to African-Americans in the 1970s and gave preferential treatment to whites, according to the federal government.Quote:
https://www.nytimes.com/2016/07/24/opinion/sunday/is-donald-trump-a-ra
cist.html
In fairness, those suits date from long ago, and the discriminatory policies were probably put in place not by Donald Trump but by his father.
1kiki, you are a flood of nonsense. The article actually says you are crazy:
"Here we have a man who for more than four decades has been repeatedly associated with racial discrimination or bigoted comments about minorities, some of them made on television for all to see. While any one episode may be ambiguous, what emerges over more than four decades is a narrative arc, a consistent pattern — and I don’t see what else to call it but racism."
www.nytimes.com/2016/07/24/opinion/sunday/is-donald-trump-a-racist.htm
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Quote:fify
Originally posted by SECOND:
blah blah blah blah ...
Just so you know, there's a saying that goes around some scientific circles and it goes like this: you can see anything if you use the right filters.
But I suspect that's too esoteric for you, so I'll quote from the movie Pi (the mathematical symbol): "You want to find the number 216 in the world, you will be able to find it everywhere. 216 steps from a mere street corner to your front door. 216 seconds you spend riding on the elevator. When your mind becomes obsessed with anything, you will filter everything else out and find that thing everywhere."
That's you.
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reposting to help me remember to finish and to get it past SLOPPY-SECOND's trolling
Quote:
Originally posted by 1kiki:
Where's the EVIDENCE?
Quote:No, I would probably say they were CLAIMS, not evidence, since you and the MSM seem completely unable to distinguish the two.
Originally posted by SECOND:
1kiki, I look forward to you shooting down every single instance of Trumpian racism by claiming it is the opposite.
Quote:
Doing that should keep you busy for a minute, but if you want more examples to shoot down of Trump's racism, then google evidence that trump is racist.
I'm happy to take on the challenge. And I'll see your talking points and raise you a discussion with actual - yanno - facts.
The NYTimes
This is supposedly, according to the NYTimes, not just 'a' list of Trump's racism. NOPE! - it's THE DEFINITIVE !! list.
But first, a word about the NYTimes and their work as a propaganda arm.
I won't delve into their sordid past promoting the Iraq War. Everyone who has a memory bigger than that of a gnat remembers their shameful work.
Nor will I delve into their glory hole of work decrying Trump's collusion with Russia, even though the facts of the Mueller report were so painful I'm sure most of you have wiped the entire 2+ years' endlessly flogged topic from memory.
No, I'll simply point out their NEW anti-Trump propaganda narrative http://www.fireflyfans.net/mthread.aspx?tid=63225 If you're wondering why Russia died and is replaced with Muh Racisim...
Now, on to the topic at hand ...
Quote:
Donald Trump’s Racism: The Definitive List, Updated
www.nytimes.com/interactive/2018/01/15/opinion/leonhardt-trump-racist.
html
The very first example about housing discrimination in this screed
Quote:actually links to ANOTHER NYTimes story which specifically exonerates D. Trump as racist.
Trump’s real-estate company tried to avoid renting apartments to African-Americans in the 1970s and gave preferential treatment to whites, according to the federal government.
Quote:
https://www.nytimes.com/2016/07/24/opinion/sunday/is-donald-trump-a-ra
cist.html
In fairness, those suits date from long ago, and the discriminatory policies were probably put in place not by Donald Trump but by his father.
The second example has no names, and no links.
Quote:And not one link despite 'multiple sources'. And an anonymous quote of a quote from a 'former manager', unlinked to anything at all.
Trump treated black employees at his casinos differently from whites, according to multiple sources.
The third example is about the Central Park Five, which we're supposed to ASSUME is about Trump's singular ideas of guilt due to racism, even though the linked story within this list provides both examples of the NYPD as well as the DA who also maintained the 5 were guilty; along with examples of why someone might hold onto the idea for non-racist reasons.
Quote:This is from the link in 'the definitive list' to another NYTimes story, which is the (partial?) ad quoted from that story.
In 1989, Trump took out ads in New York newspapers urging the death penalty for five black and Latino teenagers accused of raping a white woman in Central Park
Quote:Oddly enough, when I take out the interpolated "he wrote" and put the entire quote into google (“Muggers and murderers should be forced to suffer and, when they kill, they should be executed for their crimes”), I get this: “Muggers and murderers ..
https://www.nytimes.com/2016/10/18/opinion/why-trump-doubled-down-on-t
he-central-park-five.html
“Muggers and murderers,” he wrote, “should be forced to suffer and, when they kill, they should be executed for their crimes.”
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Quote:1kiki, Donald Trump claims that he’s “the least racist person.” He said it to block the facts about his actions as President. Senator Jeff Merkley said the president’s anti-immigration rhetoric is rooted in racism. When asked if he thought President Trump was a racist, Merkley responded without hesitation, “Yes, I do.”
Originally posted by 1kiki:
Just so you know, there's a saying that goes around some scientific circles and it goes like this: you can see anything if you use the right filters.
But I suspect that's too esoteric for you, so I'll quote from the movie Pi (the mathematical symbol): "You want to find the number 216 in the world, you will be able to find it everywhere. 216 steps from a mere street corner to your front door. 216 seconds you spend riding on the elevator. When your mind becomes obsessed with anything, you will filter everything else out and find that thing everywhere."
That's you.
Quoted from “Our President Is Unstable”: Sen. Jeff Merkley Makes the Case That “It’s Getting Worse”
Senator Jeff Merkley’s blunt warning about Trump’s policies and mental stability
www.motherjones.com/politics/2019/09/our-president-is-unstable-sen-jef
f-merkley-makes-the-case-that-its-getting-worse/
The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly
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Quote:1kiki, remember Trump saying he could not stop anybody at the Mexican border until he got a new wall? It was a negotiating ploy with Congress, but all of Central America heard Trump say it, over and over, because he couldn't shut-up and think through the consequences of his words. Central Americans went North to test the truth of Trump's words. Trump's words caused a massive migration north to the border. If Trump wasn't out of his mind, and too stupid to boot, he'd already have his $25 billion for a wall, because he had an agreement with the Democrats for the money, but only if he also reformed the immigration laws about Deferred Action for Childhood Arrivals (DACA). But then Trump changed his mind, thinking he could get the money by shutting down the government in December 2018. Do you remember that shutdown, 1kiki? One of the stupidest Presidential moves in history.
Originally posted by 1kiki:
reposting to help me remember to finish and to get it past SLOPPY-SECOND's trolling
Trump wall - all you need to know about US border in seven charts
www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-46824649
The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly
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