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Monday, November 12, 2018 6:39 PM
Still waiting for T to show any examples of me being hypocritical.
Feel free to do so yourself, Second, since you have so much to say that isn't even on topic.
Do Right, Be Right. :)
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Monday, November 12, 2018 9:27 PM
Quote:If I were you, 6ix, knowing the results of your decisions over the last 10 years? I would not trust my judgment about decisions I am making today and where those decisions will leave me in 10 or 20 years.
Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:
Freedom... I Won't.
Your side sucks. The other side sucks slightly less.
10 years ago, it was the other way around.
To beat Trump, House Democrats need to fight on policy, not Trump's scandals.
Trump’s weakness is policy. “During the 2016 campaign, we noticed this paradox,” says Ron Klain, who served as chief of staff to vice presidents Al Gore and Joe Biden and was a top adviser to Hillary Clinton. “If you came at Trump on the stuff where you thought he’d be most vulnerable — his shitty business practices, his use of non-American workers — he was at his best. He knows that stuff.”
Trump’s weakness, Klain continued, was policy. “When you came at him on that stuff, he was horrible.”
This proved true in 2018. As abnormal as American politics has felt in these past few years, House Democrats ran a fundamentally normal campaign, and it worked. They ran ads about protecting people with preexisting conditions and working on behalf of the middle class. They released their “Better Deal” agenda, a policy platform that ranged from raising the minimum wage to strengthening labor unions to investing in broadband to making campaign finance more transparent.
They did not, as a party, run on investigating or impeaching Trump. They did not, as a party, run on abolishing Immigration and Customs Enforcement or passing Medicare-for-all. They did not, as a party, offer an equal but opposite reaction to Trump. Their campaign seemed to exist in an alternate universe where few had ever heard the words “Russia” or “Mueller.”
They won. The question is whether they have the discipline to hold to that strategy outside of an election. Reflecting on the prospect of Democrats investigating him and him retaliating, Trump was cheerful. “It will probably be very good for me politically,” he said. “I can see it being extremely good politically.”
Trump wants to engage in a politics of pure confrontation, which is the politics he prefers, the politics in which he thrives.
More about how Trump could manipulate Democrats into futile and self-defeating confrontations at
www.vox.com/policy-and-politics/2018/11/12/18065602/trump-pelosi-house
-democrats-investigations-impeachment
The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly
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Tuesday, November 13, 2018 3:50 AM
Quote:
Originally posted by second:Quote:If I were you, 6ix, knowing the results of your decisions over the last 10 years? I would not trust my judgment about decisions I am making today and where those decisions will leave me in 10 or 20 years.
Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:
Freedom... I Won't.
Your side sucks. The other side sucks slightly less.
10 years ago, it was the other way around.
lol. And you think I'm going to waste time reading the next 20 paragraphs you wrote?
Go fuck yourself. I'm doing fine.
Do Right, Be Right. :)
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Tuesday, November 13, 2018 3:34 PM
Quote:6ix, you and Trump voters in general are not doing fine. In particular, you have written a million words about yourself and "fine" does not describe what you, or Trump, or his voters, are doing. That's what you and Trump have in common, you won't stop talking about yourself long enough to fix the mess you made:
Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:
lol. And you think I'm going to waste time reading the next 20 paragraphs you wrote?
Go fuck yourself. I'm doing fine.
Presidents exert a kind of ambient influence on the culture, but as Trump is different than previous presidents his influence necessarily feels different. Barack Obama wanted to be a cosmopolitan leader who brought people together and into a deeper empathy through a mastery of reason and rules; the country he governed doesn’t work like that, though, and the tension between that cool vision and this seething reality grew and grew. By the end, his presidency had the feeling of a prestige television show in its fifth season — handsomely produced and reliably well-performed but ultimately not really as sure what it was about as it first appeared to be. Trump has no such pretense or noble aspiration, and has only made the country more like himself; living in his America feels like being trapped in a garish casino boat that is filling with seawater, because that is what it is.
This is more or less what Trump has always thought the news should be like: people with microphones clamoring for his opinion and asking him about himself. For decades the man has dreamed of reporters calling out “please, sir, what’s the latest on your personal feuds” or “sir, how did you achieve this amazing success?” while he delivers flirty winking answers. That this is not the way it goes now that he’s president clearly causes him great frustration. Watch these pissy helicopter-adjacent scrums and you may see him bellowing “we’re looking into that very strongly” in response to questions he transparently can’t answer and dispensing whatever thudding speculative idiocy he thinks will get him to the next question. The important thing for him is that the microphones are still pointed in the right direction.
The culture has been inching further and further into Trump’s gilded funhouse for years now. We are, by now, all the way in. Trump is nearly as ubiquitous in the culture as he has always believed he should be; the one deeply held belief that has been evident throughout his whole faithless disgrace of a life is people should be talking about Donald Trump more, on television, and he has just about seen that part through. All Trump wants, all he has ever wanted, is to be able to keep doing and taking and saying whatever he wants whenever he wants. He ran for president for this reason and this reason only.
Everything returns to him, sometimes along a longer arc than others, but always in good time. His obliterating vanity can sometimes give this a darkly comic aspect, as when he was hilariously and transparently jealous of the few days of theatrical bipartisan mourning that followed John McCain’s death, but it is generally too ghoulish to laugh at. Trump’s engagement with the world is fundamentally an envious one — other people possess what should be his, everything that is not him is just getting in his way. This is why his response to the challenge of his office seems to top out at blustering and uncomprehending impatience. Those opiate deaths and wildfires and our fortnightly mass shootings are Quite Frankly So Tragic, but it is palpable that the only real response Trump has to them is that they distract from what everyone had been talking about before, which was and by rights should continue to be him.
More at https://theconcourse.deadspin.com/this-is-all-donald-trump-has-left-18
30329753
The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly
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Tuesday, November 13, 2018 6:18 PM
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Originally posted by second:Quote:6ix, you and Trump voters in general are not doing fine. In particular, you have written a million words about yourself and "fine" does not describe what you, or Trump, or his voters, are doing. That's what you and Trump have in common, you won't stop talking about yourself long enough to fix the mess you made:
Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:
lol. And you think I'm going to waste time reading the next 20 paragraphs you wrote?
Go fuck yourself. I'm doing fine.
That's literally what I'm doing, ever since I stopped drinking nearly 2 years ago. Everything I've done for myself is hard work and all on my own.
Your simple answer for solving all of life's problems is voting Democrat, and viewing everybody who doesn't as the bad guy. You're a clown with too much money who passes off opinion pieces from hack fraud blogs that plagiarize left leaning media news outlets.
Do Right, Be Right. :)
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Wednesday, November 14, 2018 4:37 PM
Quote:This is one of my least favorite things that Republicans do: deny racism. I've even got a chart to go with it. Other least favorite things about Republicans are when they brag about how hard they work (like 6ix just did) when I know non-Republicans work harder and when they brag about how much they know and their common sense (like 6ix) when non-Republicans know more and have better sense. Those two things: not working as hard as they imagine they are and not knowing when they imagine they know explains why Republicans have problems in their lives they can't seem to fix. Then they blame Democrats. Maybe they should because I've fired enough Trump voters for goofing off, general incompetence, lying, and stealing. Go MAGA yourself, Trump voters because he ain't gonna do it for you.
Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:
That's literally what I'm doing, ever since I stopped drinking nearly 2 years ago. Everything I've done for myself is hard work and all on my own.
Your simple answer for solving all of life's problems is voting Democrat, and viewing everybody who doesn't as the bad guy. You're a clown with too much money who passes off opinion pieces from hack fraud blogs that plagiarize left leaning media news outlets.
Do Right, Be Right. :)
One chart that shows racism has everything to do with elections
https://wthh.dataforprogress.org/blog/2018/11/8/republican-candidates-
are-being-punished-for-trumps-sexism
The chart says two things:
1) Denial of racism was strongly correlated with voting Republican in both 2016 and in 2018.
2) Republicans did worse in 2018 than they did in 2016 with voters at all points in the acknowledging-denying racism spectrum.
People who acknowledge racism (people like me) think that anti-black prejudice plays a large role in structuring American life and explains lots of important features of American society.
People who score high on denying racism think this is bunk, and see black people who complain about racism as “playing the race card.” Deniers of racism see it as a matter of individual animus with little structural impact on American life. A racism-denier is likely to argue that they can’t possibly be racist because they have one black friend or enjoyed seeing Ben Carson speak on the campaign trail, and were thrilled when Kanye West said nice things about President Donald Trump.
The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly
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Wednesday, November 14, 2018 6:13 PM
lol. Yup. I'm a racist.
We weren't even talking about racism, dummy.
Are you just robotically going through a list of pre-programmed arguments that your masters give you or something?
Do Right, Be Right. :)
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Wednesday, November 14, 2018 7:44 PM
Quote:6ix, please declare that you, the Trump voter, and Trump are not racist. Trump has said he isn't time and again and that was so very believable each time.
Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:
lol. Yup. I'm a racist.
We weren't even talking about racism, dummy.
Are you just robotically going through a list of pre-programmed arguments that your masters give you or something?
Do Right, Be Right. :)
Michelle Obama Will “Never Forgive” Donald Trump for Birtherism
The conspiracy theory wasn’t just racist; it made her fear for her family’s safety.
www.vanityfair.com/style/2018/11/michelle-obama-wont-forgive-donald-tr
ump-for-birther-rumor
Trump blames Hillary as the real racist, not him. He is so smooth and believable.
www.bbc.com/news/av/world-us-canada-37389180/donald-trump-admits-presi
dent-obama-was-born-in-us
The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly
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Wednesday, November 14, 2018 8:17 PM
Quote:
Originally posted by second:Quote:6ix, please declare that you, the Trump voter, and Trump are not racist. Trump has said he isn't time and again and that was so very believable each time.
Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:
lol. Yup. I'm a racist.
We weren't even talking about racism, dummy.
Are you just robotically going through a list of pre-programmed arguments that your masters give you or something?
Do Right, Be Right. :)
Freedom -- I won't.
Not that it matters anyhow. You're just going to say that I am one.
Once again. Racism is still off topic.
Are you stuck in a loop now, robot?
Do Right, Be Right. :)
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Thursday, November 15, 2018 5:12 PM
Quote:Have you ever noticed that you only have 1 gear? Your mental transmission has 5 forward gears and 1 reverse, but you're always stuck in the same gear, 6ix. I can tell from far away Texas because your brain is either chugging along at too low an RPM and almost stalling or your brain is screaming in the red zone at too high an RPM because you just won't shift gears. And you never go into reverse and backout of any mistakes you drove into. Learn to shift gears, 6ixStringJack, or stay in your own circular driveway and stop driving on public roads.
Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:
Once again. Racism is still off topic.
Are you stuck in a loop now, robot?
Do Right, Be Right. :)
Trump’s Tax Cut on Corporations and the Balance of Payments
www.nytimes.com/2018/11/14/opinion/the-tax-cut-and-the-balance-of-paym
ents-wonkish.html
Short version: Lots of financial maneuvering, signifying nothing. Longer version:
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Now imagine cutting t; the figure shows a complete elimination of corporate taxes, but the logic is the same for simply reducing the rate. This should lead to inflows of capital from abroad, increasing the capital stock, which both raises GDP and reduces the rate of return. In the end the after-tax return on capital should be back where it started, with all of the tax cut passed through to wages instead.
The crucial point, however, is that for this to happen you have to have a large increase in the physical stock of capital - it’s not an immaculate financial transaction. This in turn means that those inflows of capital have to enable a massive wave of real investment in plant and equipment. That doesn’t necessarily mean directly importing machinery; it could mean importing consumer goods or exporting less stuff of our own, either way freeing up resources for producing capital goods here at home. But the logic of the pro-tax cut case depends on the cut facilitating a period of large trade deficits. (I don’t think anyone told Trump about this.)
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On its face, a corporate tax cut looks like a big giveaway to stockholders. Proponents of the Tax Cuts and Jobs Act claimed that this was misleading, because large capital inflows would ensure that the cut went to workers instead. But there’s no sign of those big inflows, so what looks like a big giveaway to stockholders is, in fact, a big giveaway to stockholders.
And about 35 percent of that giveaway is to foreigners, so the tax cut makes America as a whole poorer.
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A tax cut for corporations looks, on its face, like a big giveaway to stockholders, mainly bypassing ordinary families: of stocks held by Americans, 84 percent are held by the wealthiest 10 percent; 35 percent of U.S. stocks are held by foreigners.
The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly
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