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Quote:There are, of course, a great many people cheering Trump on, from out-and-out Klansmen to the corrupt and greedy to tens of millions of really wonderful people struggling to make ends meet, looking for someone they think feels their pain (I would argue Trump feels nothing for anyone but himself) and who they think has a solution to their problems. If only he can vanquish the bad guys on their behalf (the press, the FBI, the Canadians) he will get them “great health care at a tiny fraction of the price.”
Originally posted by SIGNYM:Quote:So, you concede that your "big point" about Trump "knowing" that "Russia did nothing at all" was 100% hooey?
Trump makes 20 stupid decisions per day. He is not even trying to understand what he is doing and why he made the wrong decisions. But he has been very clear from the beginning that Russia did nothing at all. - SECOND
Er, no. The refrain that I hear from Trump is that TRUMP did nothing at all. No meetings, no telephone calls, no "collusion", no nothing.- SIGNY
Since when did Trump's responsibilities get that small? - SECOND
Let's get THAT point clear before we move on to the rest of your "argument" (which isn't really yours but yet another second-hand opinion).
He claims he never read the compendium of Hitler’s speeches by his bedside, though (because he constantly lies) it is more likely that he did, as Ivana alleged.
Either way, it’s Germany 1934. General background at http://spartacus-educational.com/GER1933.htm
https://andrewtobias.com/cause-for-hope/
Trent Reznor: ‘You’re seeing the fall of America in real time’
“It feels like things are coming unhinged, socially and culturally,” says Reznor. “The rise of Trumpism, of tribalism; the celebration of stupidity. I’m ashamed, on a world stage, at what we must look like as a culture. It’s seeing life through the eyes of having four small kids – what are they coming into? And who am I in this world where it feels like every day the furniture got moved a bit while I slept?”
www.theguardian.com/music/2018/jun/21/trent-reznor-nine-inch-nails-you
re-seeing-the-fall-of-america
The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly
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Quote:Will Russian troll Signym think this is a second hand opinion or a fact? I will ask Sig, who might consider it only opinion since Trump has not admitted to it, same as he has not clearly admitted Russia elected him in 2016. www.factcheck.org/2018/02/words-trump-russian-meddling/
Originally posted by reaverfan:
Trolls don't seem to know fact from opinion. Surprise, surprise.
Trump plans to propose a reorganization of the federal government as early as Thursday that includes a possible merger of the Education and Labor Departments, coupled with a reshuffling of other domestic agencies to make them easier to cut or revamp, according to administration officials briefed on the proposal.
The plan includes relocating many social safety net programs into a new megadepartment, which would replace the Department of Health and Human Services and possibly include the word “welfare” in its title.
Trump and his budget director, Mick Mulvaney, the architect of the plan, have sought to redefine as welfare subsistence benefit programs like the Supplemental Nutrition Assistance Program, or SNAP, and housing aid. It is part of a rebranding effort, championed by conservative think tanks and House Republicans, to link them to unpopular direct-cash assistance programs that have traditionally been called welfare.
“They have been using the word welfare because it is pejorative,” said Elaine Waxman, a senior fellow in the Income and Benefits Policy Center at the Urban Institute, a nonpartisan Washington think tank. “The programs you can call welfare are actually very small in comparison to SNAP, which is an income support necessary to help families, workers and millions of kids.”
At the heart of the plan is expected to be an attempt to shift SNAP, which serves more than 42 million poor and working-class Americans, to the new agency from the Agriculture Department. Conservative think tanks, including the Heritage Foundation and Koch-related entities, have long sought to de-link food aid from agriculture in hopes of cutting costs.
As recently as earlier this month, Mr. Mulvaney was also considering merging the Labor and Education Departments, either in the new welfare agency or in a new stand-alone department, according to a person with knowledge of his plans. The proposed merger of the Education and Labor Departments was first reported by Education Week. http://blogs.edweek.org/edweek/campaign-k-12/2018/06/trump_administrat
ion_mulls_labor_education_merger.html
Mr. Mulvaney and White House officials have closely guarded details of their plan, sharing them with political appointees but not career staff members at cabinet departments.
Calls to the White House and its budget office were not returned.
www.nytimes.com/2018/06/20/us/politics/trump-welfare-department-reorga
nization.html
The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly
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Quote:When you say shit like that SECOND, it just shows how far off the deep end you've gone.
Trump has not admitted to it, same as he has not clearly admitted Russia elected him in 2016
More than 59,400,000 AMERICANS voted for Trump in 2016, and that's what got Trump elected, and it doesn't matter how deeply in denial you are or how many alternate realities you live in, that is fact.
You burn with hatred for a fair number of your countrymen and women, and deeply disrespect the democratic process, and all because it didn't get you the result that YOU wanted. So you figure that if you alienate a lot of people and try to undo the election results, that will help?
Well, reality doesn't work that way so stop calling everyone that you disagree with a "Russian troll", try screwing your head on straight, and figure out what the Democratic party did wrong, and maybe you can change the result the next time. Because I can tell you, the path that you're on? It's not a winning one.
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Pity would be no more,
If we did not MAKE men poor - William Blake
As long as you insist that everything is the Republicans'/ Democrats' fault, then you fail to grasp the REAL problem with American politics.
America is an oligarchy http://www.fireflyfans.net/mthread.aspx?tid=57876
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Quote:They alienate themselves with their poor personal choice on how to live. Their votes are just one manifestation, once every 4 years. They are stuck being their sad selves the other 1460 days, beyond help.
Originally posted by SIGNYM:
You burn with hatred for a fair number of your countrymen and women, and deeply disrespect the democratic process, and all because it didn't get you the result that YOU wanted. So you figure that if you alienate a lot of people and try to undo the election results, that will help?
Why robots helped Donald Trump win.
Toledo has more robots per worker than any other US city. They’re producing a healthy economy—and lots of anxiety. What makes the story in Toledo hard for many politicians and even economists to understand is that the anxiety goes well beyond automation and the number of jobs. For many people, your job defines your life. The disruptions caused by robots and other technologies are deeply affecting the communities involved. These technological forces have joined many others—some cultural, some political—to create a generalized anguish that much is being lost. People have come to believe that they, their jobs, their communities, and the social contract that binds them to work and place and each other are under threat. And they’re not wrong.
They need the money, and they want the money, but money alone isn’t why anybody worked 40 years in the Cove. They stood on the line and welded or painted or bolted because they were auto workers in a country in which what you do is who you are. They could look at a Wrangler, or a glass windshield, or a Whirlpool washer, and say “I made that.”
Probably nobody voted for Trump just because of technology. But when people feel powerless, they’ll gravitate toward any object, person, or belief they think might return some autonomy to them, or help them preserve what they fear they’re losing.
More at www.technologyreview.com/s/611422/why-robots-helped-donald-trump-win/
Three key states won by Trump — Michigan, Pennsylvania and Wisconsin — could have swung in favor of Clinton, had robot adoption in the U.S. been just 2 percent lower, according to Frey's research.
More at www.cnbc.com/2017/10/30/hillary-clinton-president-fewer-robots-workpla
ce-study.html
Trump and his surrogates beat a drum about the hollowing out of the US middle class and the jobs that once supported it. In their telling, it was illegal immigration and catastrophic trade deals that caused the damage. In power, the Trump administration has hewed to the same position. Trump’s Treasury secretary, Steve Mnuchin, said the problem of job displacement by robots is “not even on our radar screen” since it will only come “in 50 to 100 more years.”
But the Trump team’s claims were spurious. The US is manufacturing much more stuff with many fewer workers, mainly because of automation. As for Mnuchin’s remarks, they made him the subject of immediate, brutal public snickering. Larry Summers, who held Mnuchin’s job in the Clinton administration, compared his successor’s views on robots with “what global climate change denial is to atmospheric science or what creationism is to biology.”
More at https://qz.com/940977
The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly
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Quote:The DNC alienated themselves with ITS poor choices, and yet you don't hate them!
They alienate themselves with their poor personal choice on how to live. Their votes are just one manifestation, once every 4 years. They are stuck being their sad selves the other 1460 days, beyond help.
SECOND, you'll use any excuse in the book to flog your personal prejudices and contempt. You're one twisted hate-filled person, yanno that? There's no point even discussing anything with you, which us why I skip past most of your posts.
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Pity would be no more,
If we did not MAKE men poor - William Blake
As long as you insist that everything is the Republicans'/ Democrats' fault, then you fail to grasp the REAL problem with American politics.
America is an oligarchy http://www.fireflyfans.net/mthread.aspx?tid=57876
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Originally posted by SIGNYM:Quote:The DNC alienated themselves with ITS poor choices, and yet you don't hate them!
They alienate themselves with their poor personal choice on how to live. Their votes are just one manifestation, once every 4 years. They are stuck being their sad selves the other 1460 days, beyond help.
SECOND, you'll use any excuse in the book to flog your personal prejudices and contempt. You're one twisted hate-filled person, yanno that? There's no point even discussing anything with you, which us why I skip past most of your posts.
In terms of demographics, Trump’s supporters are a bit older, less educated and earn less than the average Republican. Slightly over half are women. About half are between 45 and 64 years of age, with another 34 percent over 65 years old and less than 2 percent younger than 30.
Political 'Counterculture': Young Republicans Hold Unique Space In The Trump Era
Lee, a self-described atheist, insists he doesn't "want to spend one dollar building a wall with Mexico." Magee, a 33-year-old in suburban Atlanta, says if you want to marry someone of the same sex then it's "between you, your spouse and God." And Chambers insists a "true Republican" shouldn't care about same-sex marriage because "the government shouldn't be so involved in everyone's every day lives."
But they are all Republican activists. Lee is the former president of the Georgia Young Republicans, where Chambers is now state chairman.
Poll: Democrats Fired Up Against Trump In Midterms, But GOP Rallying Around Him
Research has consistently shown that on LGBT rights, climate change and immigration, young Republicans are adopting more socially liberal policies than their elders.
https://www.npr.org/2018/06/24/619659609/political-counterculture-youn
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Pretty sure that Trump is getting re-elected in 2 years.
I'm hoping in the mid-terms that the Dems take either the house or senate still. Never a good thing when either side holds all the cards.
What people need to remember is that most Democrats aren't as off the reservation as the ones that post here. The equal and opposite can also be said.
It's easy to forget this when the loudest voices are the ones the other "side" tends to judge.
The fatal flaw of the 2-party system in a country with over 250 million voters.
Do Right, Be Right. :)
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Quote:Signym, I was 66 years old in April. I am familiar with whining Republicans from the Nixon vs Kennedy and Nixon vs Humphrey elections. I am familiar with "Democrats" that switched over to being Republicans because they hated niggers and Mexicans and Gooks. The GOP became the new home for racists when the Democrats stopped being the racist party.
Originally posted by SIGNYM:Quote:The DNC alienated themselves with ITS poor choices, and yet you don't hate them!
They alienate themselves with their poor personal choice on how to live. Their votes are just one manifestation, once every 4 years. They are stuck being their sad selves the other 1460 days, beyond help.
SECOND, you'll use any excuse in the book to flog your personal prejudices and contempt. You're one twisted hate-filled person, yanno that? There's no point even discussing anything with you, which us why I skip past most of your posts.
You Republicans have always been bitching about the Democrats. As time goes on, I realized that you guys are crazy and it has nothing to do with Democrats. You are simply defective. Signym and Trump in particular are lying sacks of shit, but not all Republicans are like that. Being crazy, racist, and in some cases a liar is a tremendous disadvantage to getting ahead in the real world, far away from wacko GOP politics.
Unsurprisingly, many Republicans don't do well in a world that does not give special prizes for being incompetent or racist or untruthful or prickly or quickly offended or paralyzed by anxiety and fear. Too bad for you, but it's not my problem. It's yours to fix all by yourself.
The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly
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Few lawmakers enter the legislature prepared to debate the ins and outs of arms transfers, trade, or international aid. On issues of war and peace, Congress has more or less abdicated its historical oversight responsibility, choosing instead to defer to the executive branch. And look where Trump is going:
You might not know it from watching the news these days, but the U.S. is engaged in multiple wars across the world, both declared and undeclared. The so-called targeted killing program continues unabated under Donald Trump, and the civilian death toll has been skyrocketing over the past year and a half in Syria and Iraq. Trump famously tore up the Iran nuclear deal, and he has conspired with Israel, the Saudis, and the United Arab Emirates to lay the groundwork for regime change in Iran. The scorched earth bombing of Yemen is nothing short of a genocidal massacre — one that is aided, funded, supported, and armed by the United States. The U.S. also continues to conduct drone strikes in Yemen, as the Saudis pummel the poorest country in the Arab world nonstop. The war in Afghanistan is still on and drone strikes are re-emerging in Pakistan.
In Iraq, recent parliamentary elections saw the fiery nationalist, Shiite cleric Muqtada al-Sadr’s bloc win more seats than any other party. And there is talk of building a coalition with the once-banned and persecuted Iraqi Communist Party. Sadr and his Mahdi Army were one of the fiercest forces fighting the U.S. occupation and it represents a major rejection of the American project in Iraq.
In the midst of all of this, we also have Trump’s Muslim ban being challenged in courts; open anti-Muslim rhetoric emanating from the most prominent political offices in the land.
More at https://theintercept.com/2018/06/24/sohail-daulatzai-on-islam-white-su
premacy-and-the-myth-of-the-empire-of-liberty/
http://foreignpolicy.com/2018/04/20/congress-has-willfully-abdicated-i
ts-responsibility-over-war/
The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly
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