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I think you should read these indictments - the genuine originals - rather than continue to steep your brain in US media swill. https://www.justice.gov/sco
You'll find that in regards to the non-Russian nationals like Manafort, zero charges have anything to do with Trump or the election.
SECOND is a troll because it constantly misrepresents what people post, fails to address their actual positions, and resorts to personal attacks when its brain isn't working (which is most of the time).
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Originally posted by 1kiki:
I think you should read these indictments - the genuine originals - rather than continue to steep your brain in US media swill. https://www.justice.gov/sco
You'll find that in regards to the non-Russian nationals like Manafort, zero charges have anything to do with Trump or the election.
SECOND is a troll because it constantly misrepresents what people post, fails to address their actual positions, and resorts to personal attacks when its brain isn't working (which is most of the time).
Trump is familiar with the method Robert Mueller used to jail NY gangster John Gotti: charge Gotti's lieutenants, offer them a deal if they testify against Gotti. New Yorker Trump is New Yorker Gotti and Mueller is still Mueller.: How Scared Should Trump Be of Mueller? Ask John Gotti or Sammy “The Bull”
www.vanityfair.com/news/2017/12/how-scared-should-trump-be-of-mueller-
ask-john-gotti-or-sammy-the-bull
If history is any guide, Mueller will put up with 19 murders to get his mark.
Trump is, as a matter of policy, literally ripping children from the arms of their parents and putting them in fenced enclosures (which officials insist aren’t cages, oh no). The U.S. president is demanding that law enforcement stop investigating his associates and go after his political enemies instead. He has been insulting democratic allies while praising murderous dictators. And a global trade war seems increasingly likely.
What do these stories have in common? Obviously they’re all tied to the character of the man occupying the White House. But there’s also a larger context, and it’s not just about Donald Trump. What we’re witnessing is a systematic rejection of longstanding American values — the values that actually made America great.
. . . while you might be tempted to view international trade deals, which Trump says have turned us into a “piggy bank that everyone else is robbing,” as a completely separate story, they are anything but. Trade agreements were meant to (and did) make America richer, but they were also, from the beginning, about more than dollars and cents.
In fact, the modern world trading system was largely the brainchild not of economists or business interests, but of Cordell Hull, F.D.R.’s long-serving secretary of state, who believed that “prosperous trade among nations” was an essential element in building an “enduring peace.” So you want to think of the postwar creation of the General Agreement on Tariffs and Trade as part of the same strategy that more or less simultaneously gave rise to the Marshall Plan and the creation of NATO.
All the things happening now are of a piece. Committing atrocities at the border, attacking the domestic rule of law, insulting democratic leaders while praising thugs, and breaking up trade agreements are all about ending American exceptionalism, turning our back on the ideals that made us different from other powerful nations.
And rejecting our ideals won’t make us stronger; it will make us weaker. We were the leader of the free world, a moral as well as financial and military force. But we’re throwing all that away.
What’s more, it won’t even serve our self-interest. America isn’t nearly as dominant a power as it was 70 years ago; Trump is delusional if he thinks that other countries will back down in the face of his threats. And if we are heading for a full-blown trade war, which seems increasingly likely, both he and those who voted for him will be shocked at how it goes: Some industries will gain, but millions of workers will be displaced.
So Trump isn’t making America great again; he’s trashing the things that made us great, turning us into just another bully — one whose bullying will be far less effective than he imagines.
www.nytimes.com/2018/06/18/opinion/immigration-trump-children-american
-empire.html
The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder
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But Manafort is not charged with colluding with Russia to throw the election. In fact, none of the charges relate to Russia, or the election, either separately or together ... at all.
https://www.justice.gov/sco
U.S. v. Paul J. Manafort, Jr. and Konstantin Kilimnik (1:17-cr-201, District of Columbia)
A federal grand jury in the District of Columbia returned a third superseding indictment on June 8, 2018, against Paul J. Manafort, Jr., of Alexandria, Va., and Konstantin Kilimnik, of Moscow, Russia. Manafort is charged with conspiracy against the United States, conspiracy to launder money, unregistered agent of a foreign principal, false and misleading FARA statements, and false statements. Manafort and Kilimnik are charged with conspiracy to obstruct justice and obstruction of justice.
U.S. v. Paul J. Manafort, Jr., and Richard W. Gates III (1:18-cr-83, Eastern District of Virginia)
Paul J. Manafort, Jr., of Alexandria, Va., and Richard W. Gates III, of Richmond, Va., were indicted by a federal grand jury on Feb. 22, 2018, in the Eastern District of Virginia. The indictment contains 32 counts: 16 counts related to false individual income tax returns, seven counts of failure to file reports of foreign bank and financial accounts, five counts of bank fraud conspiracy, and four counts of bank fraud. On March 1, 2018, the court granted a motion to dismiss without prejudice the charges against Richard Gates, following his guilty plea in a related case in the District of Columbia (1:17-cr-201).
Wow - that's a great read. What stands out to me is Manafort's and Gates level of corruption. There were no goof ups here, they were out and out fraudsters. You make a good point that there is no "willfully acted to throw the 2016 election in favor of Donnie Asshat." At least not yet and not explicitly. Some of those money indictments might be connected to manipulation - we don't know what the payments were for. There were some early signs of collusion when the Rep platform was changed in favor of Russia during the campaign. I wouldn't be too sure just yet though - either way.
Cold dose of Reality: the Justice dept brought these charges, and they don't like losing. Dear Paul: Flip or Flop.
Did Manafort Use Trump to Curry Favor With a Putin Ally?
Emails turned over to investigators detail the former campaign chair's efforts to please an oligarch tied to the Kremlin.
Trump hired the political consultant Paul Manafort to lead his campaign’s efforts to wrangle Republican delegates, Manafort emailed his old lieutenant Konstantin Kilimnik, who had worked for him for a decade in the Ukrainian capital, Kiev.
“I assume you have shown our friends my media coverage, right?” Manafort wrote.
“Absolutely,” Kilimnik responded a few hours later from Kiev. “Every article.”
“How do we use to get whole,” Manafort asks. “Has OVD operation seen?”
According to a source close to Manafort, the initials “OVD” refer to Oleg Vladimirovich Deripaska, a Russian oligarch and one of Russia’s richest men. The source also confirmed that one of the individuals repeatedly mentioned in the email exchange as an intermediary to Deripaska is an aide to the oligarch.
Manafort attempted to leverage his leadership role in the Trump campaign to curry favor with a Russian oligarch close to the Russian president, Vladimir Putin. Manafort was deeply in debt, and did not earn a salary from the Trump campaign.
https://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2017/10/emails-suggest-ma
nafort-sought-approval-from-putin-ally-deripaska/541677/
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Do you believe in trial by press? Or do you believe in the American justice system? I kinda think you're not a real American, since you disrespect its laws and procedures so thoroughly.
To review: what WAS Manafort indicted for, again?
SECOND is a troll because it constantly misrepresents what people post, fails to address their actual positions, and resorts to personal attacks when its brain isn't working (which is most of the time).
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Originally posted by 1kiki:
Do you believe in trial by press? Or do you believe in the American justice system? I kinda think you're not a real American, since you disrespect its laws and procedures so thoroughly.
To review: what WAS Manafort indicted for, again?
SECOND is a troll because it constantly misrepresents what people post, fails to address their actual positions, and resorts to personal attacks when its brain isn't working (which is most of the time).
1kiki, John Gotti made the exact same argument as you are making. Three times he went to trial and three times declared "innocent". But after the fourth trial, Gotti died in jail (real tragedy that such a fine American died horribly) and it was Robert Mueller who put him there. Real tragedy if Trump dies horribly of cancer in jail. Such a fine American hero for Russian trolls.
www.vanityfair.com/news/2017/12/how-scared-should-trump-be-of-mueller-
ask-john-gotti-or-sammy-the-bull
The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly
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Originally posted by 1kiki:
Do you believe in trial by press? Or do you believe in the American justice system? I kinda think you're not a real American, since you disrespect its laws and procedures so thoroughly.
To review: what WAS Manafort indicted for, again?
Mueller's prosecutors indicated in court this week, and in previous filings, that the charges could be related to Russian collusion, after all.
http://www.businessinsider.com/paul-manafort-ukraine-charges-related-t
o-russia-mueller-says-2018-5
How many times and different ways do we have to prove you wrong comrade? My mistake, because you're nothing more than a troll you never will acknowledge the truth.
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When Dreeben (prosecutor) countered and said the allegations in the Virginia case were within the scope of Mueller's mandate, Ellis (judge) replied, referencing one of the charges: "The scope covers bank fraud from 2005?"
"How does this have anything to do with the campaign?" Ellis asked, according to The Wall Street Journal. When Dreeben said Manafort had been in contact with individuals in Ukraine who are affiliated with Russia and pro-Russian interests, Ellis accused Dreeben of "running away from my question."
Dreeben said Mueller's office takes its "primary mission" of investigating Russia's election meddling and possible collusion with the Trump campaign "very seriously." He added that had prosecutors found evidence of criminal activity that was not necessarily related to Mueller's mandate, they would have referred it to another office.
And there's evidence (not supposition, guesswork, or gossip, but evidence) here of ... what, exactly?
So far, everything stops at 2014, well before Trump's campaign. Knowing someone who knows someone who knows someone is not collusion. For collusion to take place, you'd have to have actual communication that furthers interests during the relevant time period.
I'll tell you what, THUGGER.
You stop posting meaningless, vacuous, drivel, and I'll stop making fun of you.
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Yep, THUGGER, drinking the Kool-Aid - again.
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Donald Trump's personal attorney Michael Cohen has signaled to friends that he is "willing to give" investigators information on the President if that's what they are looking for, and is planning on hiring a new lawyer to handle a possible indictment from federal prosecutors
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