Evidence: The DNC server was not "hacked"

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SIGNYM

Friday, August 11, 2017 11:48 AM

Quote:
A New Report Raises Big Questions About Last Year’s DNC Hack

Written by Patrick Lawrence of The Nation,

It is now a year since the Democratic National Committee’s mail system was compromised—a year since events in the spring and early summer of 2016 were identified as remote hacks and, in short order, attributed to Russians acting in behalf of Donald Trump. A great edifice has been erected during this time. President Trump, members of his family, and numerous people around him stand accused of various corruptions and extensive collusion with Russians. Half a dozen simultaneous investigations proceed into these matters. Last week news broke that Special Counsel Robert Mueller had convened a grand jury, which issued its first subpoenas on August 3. Allegations of treason are common; prominent political figures and many media cultivate a case for impeachment.

The president’s ability to conduct foreign policy, notably but not only with regard to Russia, is now crippled. Forced into a corner and having no choice, Trump just signed legislation imposing severe new sanctions on Russia and European companies working with it on pipeline projects vital to Russia’s energy sector. Striking this close to the core of another nation’s economy is customarily considered an act of war, we must not forget. In retaliation, Moscow has announced that the United States must cut its embassy staff by roughly two-thirds. All sides agree that relations between the United States and Russia are now as fragile as they were during some of the Cold War’s worst moments. To suggest that military conflict between two nuclear powers inches ever closer can no longer be dismissed as hyperbole.

All this was set in motion when the DNC’s mail server was first violated in the spring of 2016 and by subsequent assertions that Russians were behind that “hack” and another such operation, also described as a Russian hack, on July 5. These are the foundation stones of the edifice just outlined. The evolution of public discourse in the year since is worthy of scholarly study: Possibilities became allegations, and these became probabilities. Then the probabilities turned into certainties, and these evolved into what are now taken to be established truths. By my reckoning, it required a few days to a few weeks to advance from each of these stages to the next. This was accomplished via the indefensibly corrupt manipulations of language repeated incessantly in our leading media.

Lost in a year that often appeared to veer into our peculiarly American kind of hysteria is the absence of any credible evidence

HINT HINT!

Quote:
of what happened last year and who was responsible for it. It is tiresome to note, but none has been made available. Instead, we are urged to accept the word of institutions and senior officials with long records of deception. These officials profess “high confidence” in their “assessment” as to what happened in the spring and summer of last year—this standing as their authoritative judgment. Few have noticed since these evasive terms first appeared that an assessment is an opinion, nothing more, and to express high confidence is an upside-down way of admitting the absence of certain knowledge. This is how officials avoid putting their names on the assertions we are so strongly urged to accept—as the record shows many of them have done.

We come now to a moment of great gravity.

There has been a long effort to counter the official narrative we now call “Russiagate.” This effort has so far focused on the key events noted above, leaving numerous others still to be addressed. Until recently, researchers undertaking this work faced critical shortcomings, and these are to be explained. But they have achieved significant new momentum in the past several weeks, and what they have done now yields very consequential fruit. Forensic investigators, intelligence analysts, system designers, program architects, and computer scientists of long experience and strongly credentialed are now producing evidence disproving

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RIVERLOVE

Friday, August 11, 2017 6:53 PM

Ooops, there goes another rubber tree plant!

SIGNYM

Friday, August 11, 2017 9:33 PM

It's a long article. For those who want the CliffsNotes version, I underlined the crucial points.

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By the way, GSTRING, I predicted your response PERFECTLY
* ... and then you'll say I'm "too wordy". And then you will - as always- refuse to address the pertinent points, and respond with even more lies and even more bullshit personal attacks.*

And voila! Here it is http://www.fireflyfans.net/mthread.aspx?bid=18&tid=61835&mid=1
035581#1035581

JEWELSTAITEFAN

Saturday, August 12, 2017 2:20 AM

Quote:
Originally posted by SIGNYM:
It's a long article. For those who want the CliffsNotes version, I underlined the crucial points.

What about the Libtard version? Some will only accept that one.

THGRRI

Saturday, August 12, 2017 2:47 AM

Let the doctor in SIG. He's there to help. SIG, SIG, open the door.

SIGNYM

Saturday, August 12, 2017 7:23 AM

Quote:
Let the doctor in SIG. He's there to help. SIG, SIG, open the door.- THUGR

Well, the usual know-nothing response from THUGR but, HEY! Thanks for the bump!

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By the way, GSTRING, I predicted your response PERFECTLY
* ... and then you'll say I'm "too wordy". And then you will - as always- refuse to address the pertinent points, and respond with even more lies and even more bullshit personal attacks.*

And voila! Here it is http://www.fireflyfans.net/mthread.aspx?bid=18&tid=61835&mid=1
035581#1035581

1KIKI

Sunday, August 13, 2017 12:57 AM

repost

Quote:
A New Report Raises Big Questions About Last Year’s DNC Hack

Written by Patrick Lawrence of The Nation,

It is now a year since the Democratic National Committee’s mail system was compromised—a year since events in the spring and early summer of 2016 were identified as remote hacks and, in short order, attributed to Russians acting in behalf of Donald Trump. A great edifice has been erected during this time. President Trump, members of his family, and numerous people around him stand accused of various corruptions and extensive collusion with Russians. Half a dozen simultaneous investigations proceed into these matters. Last week news broke that Special Counsel Robert Mueller had convened a grand jury, which issued its first subpoenas on August 3. Allegations of treason are common; prominent political figures and many media cultivate a case for impeachment.

The president’s ability to conduct foreign policy, notably but not only with regard to Russia, is now crippled. Forced into a corner and having no choice, Trump just signed legislation imposing severe new sanctions on Russia and European companies working with it on pipeline projects vital to Russia’s energy sector. Striking this close to the core of another nation’s economy is customarily considered an act of war, we must not forget. In retaliation, Moscow has announced that the United States must cut its embassy staff by roughly two-thirds. All sides agree that relations between the United States and Russia are now as fragile as they were during some of the Cold War’s worst moments. To suggest that military conflict between two nuclear powers inches ever closer can no longer be dismissed as hyperbole.

All this was set in motion when the DNC’s mail server was first violated in the spring of 2016 and by subsequent assertions that Russians were behind that “hack” and another such operation, also described as a Russian hack, on July 5. These are the foundation stones of the edifice just outlined. The evolution of public discourse in the year since is worthy of scholarly study: Possibilities became allegations, and these became probabilities. Then the probabilities turned into certainties, and these evolved into what are now taken to be established truths. By my reckoning, it required a few days to a few weeks to advance from each of these stages to the next. This was accomplished via the indefensibly corrupt manipulations of language repeated incessantly in our leading media.

Lost in a year that often appeared to veer into our peculiarly American kind of hysteria is the absence of any credible evidence

HINT HINT!

Quote:
of what happened last year and who was responsible for it. It is tiresome to note, but none has been made available. Instead, we are urged to accept the word of institutions and senior officials with long records of deception. These officials profess “high confidence” in their “assessment” as to what happened in the spring and summer of last year—this standing as their authoritative judgment. Few have noticed since these evasive terms first appeared that an assessment is an opinion, nothing more, and to express high confidence is an upside-down way of admitting the absence of certain knowledge. This is how officials avoid putting their names on the assertions we are so strongly urged to accept—as the record shows many of them have done.

We come now to a moment of great gravity.

There has been a long effort to counter the official narrative we now call “Russiagate.” This effort has so far focused on the key events noted above, leaving numerous others still to be addressed. Until recently, researchers undertaking this work faced critical shortcomings, and these are to be explained. But they have achieved significant new momentum in the past several weeks, and what they have done now yields very consequential fruit. Forensic investigators, intelligence analysts, system designers, program architects, and computer scientists of long experience and strongly credentialed are now producing ev

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1KIKI

Monday, August 14, 2017 9:03 AM

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Basing the claim on a fast file transfer occuring at sum point iz ludicrous.

File transfer speed limitation is a fact. Unless you want to live in a fantasy world, you're going to have to come to grips with that reality. The files were initially downloaded from the DNC server at speeds far greater than anything achievable over the internet. Therefore, they weren't 'hacked' remotely.

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Then to karakterize the DNC hack by Russianz az the foundation uv the entire case agenst Trump iz comical.

The author never did that. The author VERY SPECIFICALLY limited facts and conclusions to that ONE SPECIFIC claim about the DNC 'hack'. "One, there are many other allegations implicating Russians in the 2016 political process. The work I will now report upon does NOT purport to prove or disprove any of them."

BUT ... ... if you accept that file transfer speed limitation is a fact - and you should if you want to be reality-based - then you need to reconsider all the evidence-free claims that were made, reiterated, and insisted on. Because if the DNC files weren't hacked, then what does that say about our 'intelligence' agencies and 'news' media that kept insisting they were? And not only that they were hacked, but that them dirty Rooskies done dood it?

Trump is not the problem. He set himself against the Deep State's agenda. And the Deep State's been heading for WWIII for years.
As for you, you're just a Deep State useful idiot, furthering its agenda. So I hope you enjoy cesium in your coffee. You've earned it.

JO753

Monday, August 14, 2017 3:19 PM

"These are the foundation stones of the edifice just outlined"

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DUZ XaT SEM RiT TQ YQ? - Jubal Early

http://www.7532020.com

1KIKI

Monday, August 14, 2017 8:41 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by JO753:
"These are the foundation stones of the edifice just outlined"

In normal English, the subject of a paragraph is at the beginning, as it was in the article. The entire paragraph addressed the supposed DNC hack and the escalation of claims made ABOUT THAT PURPORTED DNC HACK. And not about any and every other item against Trump. You took a random quote OUT OF CONTEXT and applied it to an entirely different topic.

All this was set in motion WHEN THE DNC'S MAIL SERVER WAS FIRST VIOLATED in the spring of 2016 and by subsequent assertions that Russians were behind that “hack” and another such operation, also described as a Russian hack, on July 5. These are the foundation stones of the edifice just outlined. The evolution of public discourse in the year since is worthy of scholarly study: Possibilities became allegations, and these became probabilities. Then the probabilities turned into certainties, and these evolved into what are now taken to be established truths. By my reckoning, it required a few days to a few weeks to advance from each of these stages to the next. This was accomplished via the indefensibly corrupt manipulations of language repeated incessantly in our leading media.

Trump is not the problem. He set himself against the Deep State's agenda. And the Deep State's been heading for WWIII for years.
As for you, you're just a Deep State useful idiot, furthering its agenda. So I hope you enjoy cesium in your coffee. You've earned it.

1KIKI

Monday, August 14, 2017 9:25 PM

So, to reiterate the content of the article - the DNC data was downloaded at speeds far exceeding internet capability. That means the DNC data was not remotely 'hacked' by Russia, or anyone else. It wasn't hacked at all. It was downloaded locally to a portable drive.

That puts into question the integrity of the organizations either claiming or 'reporting' that the server was hacked by Russia.

Trump is not the problem. He set himself against the Deep State's agenda. And the Deep State's been heading for WWIII for years.
As for you, you're just a Deep State useful idiot, furthering its agenda. So I hope you enjoy cesium in your coffee. You've earned it.

SIGNYM

Monday, August 14, 2017 9:30 PM

JO, to put this in the simplest of terms ....

If you believe the essential honesty of the person writing the report, then the evidence is that the DNC was not "hacked" by someone on the internet. File transfer speeds do not lie: the internet hardware can't do the impossible.

And while this evidence applies strictly to the claims of Russian "hacking", it not only puts NSA-CIA claims of THIS incident into doubt, by demonstrating that the "Russian hacking" allegation is probably false it also casts doubt on similar allegations made by the same groups. In other words, you should be insisting that allegations of "phishing" etc at this point should be backed up by solid evidence, and not left as naked accusations.

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By the way, GSTRING, I predicted your response PERFECTLY
* ... and then you'll say I'm "too wordy". And then you will - as always- refuse to address the pertinent points, and respond with even more lies and even more bullshit personal attacks.*

And voila! Here it is http://www.fireflyfans.net/mthread.aspx?bid=18&tid=61835&mid=1
035581#1035581

1KIKI

Tuesday, August 15, 2017 4:06 AM

bump for sloppy seconds

Trump is not the problem. He set himself against the Deep State's agenda. And the Deep State's been heading for WWIII for years.
As for you, you're just a Deep State useful idiot, furthering its agenda. So I hope you enjoy cesium in your coffee. You've earned it.

SIGNYM

Thursday, August 17, 2017 11:45 PM

Quote:
Assange Vows To Prove That Russia Was Not His Source In 3-Hour Meeting With Congressman

In a three hour meeting with Representative Dana Rohrabacher (R-CA) at the Ecuadorian embassy in London, Julian Assange vowed to provide proof that Russia was not the source of his leaks last year and promised more 'helpful' information in the near future. Rohrabacher recounted the details of the meeting with Assange to The Hill:

“Our three-hour meeting covered a wide array of issues, including the WikiLeaks exposure of the DNC emails during last year's presidential election,” Rohrabacher said, “Julian emphatically stated that the Russians were not involved in the hacking or disclosure of those emails."

Pressed for more detail on the source of the documents, Rohrabacher said he had information to share privately with President Donald Trump.

“Julian also indicated that he is open to further discussions regarding specific information about the DNC email incident that is currently unknown to the public,” he added.

Of course, this is hardly the first time that Assange has publicly denied that Russia was his source for the DNC and/or Podesta leaks. Back in January, Assange recorded an interview with Sean Hannity of Fox News and unequivocally stated that "our source is not the Russian government and it is not a state party."

HANNITY: Can you say to the American people, unequivocally, that you did not get this information about the DNC, John Podesta's emails, can you tell the American people 1,000 percent that you did not get it from Russia or anybody associated with Russia?

ASSANGE: Yes. We can say, we have said, repeatedly that over the last two months that our source is not the Russian government and it is not a state party ... Obama is trying to say that President-elect Trump is not a legitimate President.

So, what does Assange want in return for his evidence that could completely undermine Special Counsel Mueller's entire investigation? Apparently he would like for Wikileaks to be granted a seat in the White House press corps...oh, and we're sure a presidential pardon would be welcome as well.

MORE AT http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2017-08-17/assange-vows-proof-russia-was
-not-his-source-3-hour-meeting-congressman

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By the way, GSTRING, I predicted your response PERFECTLY
* ... and then you'll say I'm "too wordy". And then you will - as always- refuse to address the pertinent points, and respond with even more lies and even more bullshit personal attacks.*

And voila! Here it is http://www.fireflyfans.net/mthread.aspx?bid=18&tid=61835&mid=1
035581#1035581

JJ

Friday, July 13, 2018 10:50 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by 1kiki: August 2017

So, to reiterate the content of the article - the DNC data was downloaded at speeds far exceeding internet capability. That means the DNC data was not remotely 'hacked' by Russia, or anyone else. It wasn't hacked at all. It was downloaded locally to a portable drive.

That puts into question the integrity of the organizations either claiming or 'reporting' that the server was hacked by Russia.

As for you, you're just a Deep State useful idiot, furthering its agenda. So I hope you enjoy cesium in your coffee. You've earned it.

And now we have 25 Russian intelligence officers and three Russian companies indicted. Up yours comrade kiki...

T

REAVERFAN

Friday, July 13, 2018 10:53 PM

Oh, noes! The DEEP STATE!!!

1. ANOTHER ONE42 minutes ago
Mueller Indicts 12 Russian Officers for Hacking Dems in 2016
https://www.thedailybeast.com/mueller-indicts-12-russian-officers-for-
hacking-dems-in-2016

SECOND

Friday, July 13, 2018 10:56 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by JJ:
And now we have 25 Russian intelligence officers and three Russian companies indicted. Up yours comrade kiki...

The Justice Department announced indictments in special counsel Robert Mueller's investigation of Russian interference in the 2016 election against 12 Russian nationals, accusing them of engaging in a "sustained effort" to hack Democrats' emails and computer networks.
All 12 defendants are members of the GRU, a Russian federation intelligence agency within the main intelligence directorate of the Russian military, who were acting in "their official capacities."

The indictment . . . emerged two days before Trump is due to meet Russian President Vladimir Putin — who has denied election meddling — in Helsinki for a summit that includes a one-on-one meeting with only interpreters present.

www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/12-russians-indicted-in-mueller-invest
igation/ar-AAA2096?ocid=spartandhp

Will Trump ask Putin to send the 12 Russians to the USA for trial? No. Trump will claim they are not guilty based on Putin's word.

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly

JJ

Friday, July 13, 2018 11:04 PM

A point of interest. Trump was informed this was going down days ago yet he let the Republicans hold the Peter Zrock hearings anyway. If they looked stupid and corrupt yesterday after all was said and done, and they did, imagine what they're going to look like by the end of business today.

33 indictments so far, 28 involving Russia.

Ya gotta love it...

T

JJ

Friday, July 13, 2018 11:46 PM

All 12 defendants are members of the GRU, a Russian federation intelligence agency within the main intelligence directorate of the Russian military, who were acting in "their official capacities.

T

REAVERFAN

Saturday, July 14, 2018 12:37 AM

The Same Day Trump Called for Russia to Hack Clinton's Emails, They ... Hacked Her Emails
Also, a candidate for U.S. Congress asked for and received stolen documents from Russian hackers.
https://www.esquire.com/news-politics/a22142188/rod-rosenstein-indictm
ent-russia-hack-collusion/

Boy, it must suck to be a Russian troll today, eh, kiki?

REAVERFAN

Saturday, July 14, 2018 4:51 AM

Rod Rosenstein and Robert Mueller officially repudiate a major Trump conspiracy theory
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/the-fix/wp/2018/07/13/rod-j-rosens
tein-and-robert-s-mueller-iii-officially-rebuke-a-major-trump-conspiracy-theory/?noredirect=on&utm_term=.0b53496a54a2

Trump has regularly cast doubt upon the idea that the Democratic National Committee was hacked by the Russians — and that it was hacked at all. At one point he even reportedly dispatched a conspiracy theorist to meet with then-CIA Director Mike Pompeo. (Pompeo is now secretary of state.)

“This is all information that has been out there for many years. Much of it is false and/or entirely inaccurate,” Trump said in a statement after the DNC hack was revealed in the summer of 2016. “We believe it was the DNC that did the 'hacking' as a way to distract from the many issues facing their deeply flawed candidate and failed party leader. Too bad the DNC doesn't hack Hillary Clinton's 33,000 missing emails.”

At his first presidential debate with Clinton in September 2016, Trump added a number of other potential perpetrators, despite clear indications from the intelligence community that it was Russia. He even said it could have been a severely overweight American.

“I don’t think anybody knows it was Russia that broke into the DNC. She’s saying Russia, Russia, Russia, but I don’t — maybe it was,” Trump said. “I mean, it could be Russia, but it could also be China. It could also be lots of other people. It also could be somebody sitting on their bed that weighs 400 pounds, okay? You don’t know who broke into DNC.”

Yes. Yes, we do.

6IXSTRINGJACK

Saturday, July 14, 2018 4:54 AM

meh

Do Right, Be Right. :)

SECOND

Saturday, July 14, 2018 7:53 AM

Quote:
Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:
meh

Do Right, Be Right. :)

Either Putin gives Mueller evidence that Trump conspired with 12 Russian hackers or else Trump blows Putin in Helsinki one-on-one meeting.
www.wsj.com/articles/the-risks-lying-within-donald-trumps-one-on-one-m
eeting-with-vladimir-putin-1531145446

REAVERFAN

Saturday, July 14, 2018 11:03 AM

What do I do now, boss?

SECOND

Saturday, July 14, 2018 4:32 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by reaverfan:

What do I do now, boss?

"He just — every time he sees me, he says, 'I didn't do that.' And I believe — I really believe that when he tells me that, he means it," Trump told reporters in November after meeting with Putin at a global summit in Vietnam.

This week, Trump told reporters he will "of course" raise the election issue with Putin, but he didn't seem to feel it would be a fruitful conversation. "What am I going to do? He may deny it," Trump said.

The Russia investigation is losing ground in the public opinion battle. Polls suggest Trump's repeated attacks on it are working, with a new Washington Post-Schar School poll finding Americans are split roughly 50-50 along partisan lines on whether they approve of the job Mueller is doing.

This indictment comes at the end of a week where both sides felt they had evidence to make their case that the Russia investigation has either run its course or is very real.

And indicting Russians is a win in the column of the "very real" camp.

www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/mueller’s-indictment-of-12-russians-la
nds-at-a-really-awkward-moment-for-trump/ar-AAA2n9p?ocid=spartandhp

6IXSTRINGJACK

Saturday, July 14, 2018 4:51 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by second:
Quote:
Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:
meh

Do Right, Be Right. :)
Either Putin gives Mueller evidence that Trump conspired with 12 Russian hackers or else Trump blows Putin in Helsinki one-on-one meeting.
www.wsj.com/articles/the-risks-lying-within-donald-trumps-one-on-one-m
eeting-with-vladimir-putin-1531145446

This right here is the shit I'm talking about.

How can anybody think that they're talking to a reasonable person that would refer to anything the President was doing as "blowing" another world leader?

No matter what the outcome is in the end, Trump will always be guilty of something in your eyes. He's been "guilty" of a very many things that you've posted about over the last 2 years now.

You wonder why people have lost interest? It's not because of anything that Trump has been tweeting. It's because most people lie somewhere in the middle, and they're just as sick of watching people like you, and especially people in the MSM such as the late show hosts saying things like "Trump's mouth is Putin's cock holster" and Ivanka is a "Cunt".

Meanwhile... all I see is good things happening. Potential Russian spies are being exposed, and over the course of the last 2 years dozens of high profile people on either side of the aisle have either resigned, gotten fired, gotten into legal trouble or a combination of the above.

Been saying since the early 2000's that this government needs an enema.

Do Right, Be Right. :)

SECOND

Saturday, July 14, 2018 6:06 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:
Quote:
Originally posted by second:
Quote:
Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:
meh

Do Right, Be Right. :)
Either Putin gives Mueller evidence that Trump conspired with 12 Russian hackers or else Trump blows Putin in Helsinki one-on-one meeting.
www.wsj.com/articles/the-risks-lying-within-donald-trumps-one-on-one-m
eeting-with-vladimir-putin-1531145446

This right here is the shit I'm talking about.

How can anybody think that they're talking to a reasonable person that would refer to anything the President was doing as "blowing" another world leader?

No matter what the outcome is in the end, Trump will always be guilty of something in your eyes. He's been "guilty" of a very many things that you've posted about over the last 2 years now.

You wonder why people have lost interest? It's not because of anything that Trump has been tweeting. It's because most people lie somewhere in the middle, and they're just as sick of watching people like you, and especially people in the MSM such as the late show hosts saying things like "Trump's mouth is Putin's cock holster" and Ivanka is a "Cunt".

Meanwhile... all I see is good things happening. Potential Russian spies are being exposed, and over the course of the last 2 years dozens of high profile people on either side of the aisle have either resigned, gotten fired, gotten into legal trouble or a combination of the above.

Been saying since the early 2000's that this government needs an enema.

Do Right, Be Right. :)

6ix, you didn't click on the link to the Wall Street Journal, did you? This is why Trump voters, but only the ones that are not wealthy, get fucked over by life in areas far away from politics -- you goddamn morons cannot even spot an obvious conman and fraudster like Trump. That guy had a long history of cheating dummies like you and you ignored all of it because Trump told you it was "fake" history. That makes you GOP voters (except for the rich ones who knew they would only get a tax break if Trump was elected) complete idiots. And you sure as hell can't tell somebody is lying to you for their own profit. You guys deserve your screwed up lives. You earned your place in the lower 50% of Americans. Keep playing your penny-ante games while Trump and the wealthy steal your money. Don't ever stop and think.
www.businessinsider.com/trump-tax-plan-affect-wealthy-benefits-2017-12

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly

REAVERFAN

Saturday, July 14, 2018 7:15 PM

Reichwingers don't want to believe facts and evidence. Their beliefs are based entirely on emotion.

REAVERFAN

Saturday, July 14, 2018 7:26 PM

Maryland voter registration system runs on software owned by Russian-financed firm
http://www.wbaltv.com/article/maryland-voter-registration-system-runs-
on-russian-owned-software-i-team-learns/22144023

80,000 people in Maryland had to fill out provisional ballots due to a software "glitch"
http://prospect.org/article/maryland%E2%80%99s-big-primary-election-sn
afu

https://baltimorebrew.com/2018/06/26/maryland-voting-problems-may-exte
nd-beyond-those-who-made-changes-through-the-mva/

JJ

Saturday, July 14, 2018 7:37 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by reaverfan:

Reichwingers don't want to believe facts and evidence. Their beliefs are based entirely on emotion.

Yep, and they are mired in tribalism.

T

6IXSTRINGJACK

Saturday, July 14, 2018 7:41 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by second:
Quote:
Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:
Quote:
Originally posted by second:
Quote:
Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:
meh

Do Right, Be Right. :)
Either Putin gives Mueller evidence that Trump conspired with 12 Russian hackers or else Trump blows Putin in Helsinki one-on-one meeting.
www.wsj.com/articles/the-risks-lying-within-donald-trumps-one-on-one-m
eeting-with-vladimir-putin-1531145446

This right here is the shit I'm talking about.

How can anybody think that they're talking to a reasonable person that would refer to anything the President was doing as "blowing" another world leader?

No matter what the outcome is in the end, Trump will always be guilty of something in your eyes. He's been "guilty" of a very many things that you've posted about over the last 2 years now.

You wonder why people have lost interest? It's not because of anything that Trump has been tweeting. It's because most people lie somewhere in the middle, and they're just as sick of watching people like you, and especially people in the MSM such as the late show hosts saying things like "Trump's mouth is Putin's cock holster" and Ivanka is a "Cunt".

Meanwhile... all I see is good things happening. Potential Russian spies are being exposed, and over the course of the last 2 years dozens of high profile people on either side of the aisle have either resigned, gotten fired, gotten into legal trouble or a combination of the above.

Been saying since the early 2000's that this government needs an enema.

Do Right, Be Right. :)
6ix, you didn't click on the link to the Wall Street Journal, did you? This is why Trump voters, but only the ones that are not wealthy, get fucked over by life in areas far away from politics -- you goddamn morons cannot even spot an obvious conman and fraudster like Trump. That guy had a long history of cheating dummies like you and you ignored all of it because Trump told you it was "fake" history. That makes you GOP voters (except for the rich ones who knew they would only get a tax break if Trump was elected) complete idiots. And you sure as hell can't tell somebody is lying to you for their own profit. You guys deserve your screwed up lives. You earned your place in the lower 50% of Americans. Keep playing your penny-ante games while Trump and the wealthy steal your money. Don't ever stop and think.
www.businessinsider.com/trump-tax-plan-affect-wealthy-benefits-2017-12

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly

I'm not a GOP voter. I LOUDLY voted against GWB his second term. I somewhat regularly vote against the GOP in local and state level elections. I also vote against any sitting judge no matter their political affiliation. I have a long history here posting about that.

The problem is that on a Presidential level as well as a US house/senate level, the Democratic party has become the one who actively attacks both males and whites in general. I don't know how many fucking times I have to bring up the problems that Democrats today have with identity politics, but I will not actively vote for a party who views my very existence as a problem. (Even T will agree with me on this one)

Fix your fucking party. You've got 2 years to do it, or you're going to get a 2 term Trump. Don't think for a second any of the circle-jerk material you've all been masturbating to the last few days is going to lead to an impeachment that's going to stick. If you want Trump out in 2 years, you need to do it the right way.

Do Right, Be Right. :)

REAVERFAN

Saturday, July 14, 2018 7:50 PM

A Paul Ryan Super PAC Used Russian-Hacked Emails
https://washingtonmonthly.com/2016/12/14/a-paul-ryan-super-pac-used-ru
ssian-hacked-emails/

JEWELSTAITEFAN

Sunday, July 15, 2018 12:14 AM

Quote:
Originally posted by second:
Quote:

What do I do now, boss?
"He just — every time he sees me, he says, 'I didn't do that.' And I believe — I really believe that when he tells me that, he means it," Trump told reporters in November after meeting with Putin at a global summit in Vietnam.

This week, Trump told reporters he will "of course" raise the election issue with Putin, but he didn't seem to feel it would be a fruitful conversation. "What am I going to do? He may deny it," Trump said.

The Russia investigation is losing ground in the public opinion battle. Polls suggest Trump's repeated attacks on it are working, with a new Washington Post-Schar School poll finding Americans are split roughly 50-50 along partisan lines on whether they approve of the job Mueller is doing.

This indictment comes at the end of a week where both sides felt they had evidence to make their case that the Russia investigation has either run its course or is very real.

And indicting Russians is a win in the column of the "very real" camp.

www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/mueller’s-indictment-of-12-russians-la
nds-at-a-really-awkward-moment-for-trump/ar-AAA2n9p?ocid=spartandhp

Did Mueller's Fishing Expedition net a minnow?

JJ

Sunday, July 15, 2018 12:30 AM

Ms. Pelosi sent a letter in early September to Mr. Ryan. Neither received a response. By October, the Congressional Leadership Fund, a “super PAC” tied to Mr. Ryan, had used the stolen material in another advertisement, attacking Mr. Garcia during the general election in Florida.

Notice the timing on this. Pelosi sent a letter to Ryan in early September and by October, his super PAC had used the stolen material in an ad attacking Garcia in Florida.

T

REAVERFAN

Sunday, July 15, 2018 12:40 AM

Quote:
Originally posted by JEWELSTAITEFAN:
Did Mueller's Fishing Expedition net a minnow?

A giant school of fish. So many, in fact, it will take a very long time to sentence and imprison them all.

JJ

Sunday, July 15, 2018 4:31 AM

Quote:
Originally posted by JEWELSTAITEFAN:

Did Mueller's Fishing Expedition net a minnow?

Four former Trump advisers, 26 Russian nationals, three Russian companies, one California man, and one London-based lawyer. Five of these people (including three former Trump aides) have already pleaded guilty.

Stay tuned, more to come dummy.

T

SIGNYM

Sunday, July 15, 2018 4:57 AM

Any so-called "investigation" of the DNC emails which does not include talking with Assange (who does, after all, know the identity of the person who gave him the emails) is a farce. Since Mueller didn't ask Assange who he got the emails from, this is just Mueller's farcical story-spinning, timed to interfere with Trump's upcoming meeting with Putin.

-----------
Pity would be no more,
If we did not MAKE men poor - William Blake

As long as you insist that everything is the Republicans'/ Democrats' fault, then you fail to grasp the REAL problem with American politics.

America is an oligarchy http://www.fireflyfans.net/mthread.aspx?tid=57876

6IXSTRINGJACK

Sunday, July 15, 2018 5:15 AM

Quote:
Originally posted by SIGNYM:
Any so-called "investigation" of the DNC emails which does not include talking with Assange (who does, after all, know the identity of the person who gave him the emails) is a farce. Since Mueller didn't ask Assange who he got the emails from, this is just Mueller's farcical story-spinning, timed to interfere with Trump's upcoming meeting with Putin.

-----------
Pity would be no more,
If we did not MAKE men poor - William Blake

As long as you insist that everything is the Republicans'/ Democrats' fault, then you fail to grasp the REAL problem with American politics.

America is an oligarchy http://www.fireflyfans.net/mthread.aspx?tid=57876

What I'm trying to get RF to admit is that if there was any "Russian Meddling" in the election, that it was exposing the corruption of the DNC and the collusion between the DNC and the MSM, particularly CNN.

If the only thing they have to blame on Russia here is the leaks of those emails, it's really a hypocritical ground they stand on.

"No fair. Your guys cheated by exposing how we were cheating!!!"

That's not a valid platform.

Do I agree with them that we need to get the Russians the hell away from our government if they have infiltrated on any level?

You're damn right I do.

I'm just laughing about the rest of this though.

Do Right, Be Right. :)

JEWELSTAITEFAN

Sunday, July 15, 2018 8:14 AM

Quote:
Originally posted by JEWELSTAITEFAN:
Quote:
Originally posted by second:
Quote:

What do I do now, boss?
"He just — every time he sees me, he says, 'I didn't do that.' And I believe — I really believe that when he tells me that, he means it," Trump told reporters in November after meeting with Putin at a global summit in Vietnam.

This week, Trump told reporters he will "of course" raise the election issue with Putin, but he didn't seem to feel it would be a fruitful conversation. "What am I going to do? He may deny it," Trump said.

The Russia investigation is losing ground in the public opinion battle. Polls suggest Trump's repeated attacks on it are working, with a new Washington Post-Schar School poll finding Americans are split roughly 50-50 along partisan lines on whether they approve of the job Mueller is doing.

This indictment comes at the end of a week where both sides felt they had evidence to make their case that the Russia investigation has either run its course or is very real.

And indicting Russians is a win in the column of the "very real" camp.

www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/mueller’s-indictment-of-12-russians-la
nds-at-a-really-awkward-moment-for-trump/ar-AAA2n9p?ocid=spartandhp
Did Mueller's Fishing Expedition net a minnow?

naw, more like a sardine. Unsavory.

SIGNYM

Sunday, July 15, 2018 9:27 AM

Quote:
Half a year after Rich’s -never solved- murder, in the first months of 2017, the US Department of Defense was involved in negotiations with Assange in which the latter was offered -temporary- ‘safe passage’ from the Ecuador Embassy in London where he is holed up, in exchange for Assange ‘redacting’ a batch of files on the CIA known as Vault 7.

These negotiations were suddenly halted in April 2017 through the interference of James Comey -then FBI chief- and Mark Warner, a US Senator (D-VA). In the talks, Assange had offered to prove that no Russians were involved in the process that led to WikiLeaks receiving the files.

Today, of course, Assange is completely incommunicado in the Ecuador embassy, so he cannot defend himself against the Mueller accusations. Mueller really doesn’t have to prove anything: he can say what he wants. Comey and Warner prevented Assange from providing evidence exonerating ‘the Russians’, and Assange has been shut down.

https://www.zerohedge.com/news/2018-07-14/true-meaning-collusion-expos
ed

JSF: I have found that "conservatives" ALSO lack honesty. It's not just "libtards" who lie and twist history. The reason why "libtards" are so dishonest NOW is because they have been thwarted from achieving their goals, and their nemesis is in office, leaving them in the position of "anything goes" in order to get their way. If the shoe was on the other foot and Hillary was in office, I suspect the right would be engaging in similar behavior. I find that MOST people have no idea how to apply their ethics to themselves as well as others.

-----------
Pity would be no more,
If we did not MAKE men poor - William Blake

As long as you insist that everything is the Republicans'/ Democrats' fault, then you fail to grasp the REAL problem with American politics.

America is an oligarchy http://www.fireflyfans.net/mthread.aspx?tid=57876

6IXSTRINGJACK

Sunday, July 15, 2018 10:06 AM

Quote:
Originally posted by SIGNYM:

JSF: I have found that "conservatives" ALSO lack honesty. It's not just "libtards" who lie and twist history. The reason why "libtards" are so dishonest NOW is because they have been thwarted from achieving their goals, and their nemesis is in office, leaving them in the position of "anything goes" in order to get their way. If the shoe was on the other foot and Hillary was in office, I suspect the right would be engaging in similar behavior. I find that MOST people have no idea how to apply their ethics to themselves as well as others.

This.

Do Right, Be Right. :)

JEWELSTAITEFAN

Sunday, July 15, 2018 10:11 AM

Quote:
Originally posted by SIGNYM:
Quote:
Half a year after Rich’s -never solved- murder, in the first months of 2017, the US Department of Defense was involved in negotiations with Assange in which the latter was offered -temporary- ‘safe passage’ from the Ecuador Embassy in London where he is holed up, in exchange for Assange ‘redacting’ a batch of files on the CIA known as Vault 7.

These negotiations were suddenly halted in April 2017 through the interference of James Comey -then FBI chief- and Mark Warner, a US Senator (D-VA). In the talks, Assange had offered to prove that no Russians were involved in the process that led to WikiLeaks receiving the files.

Today, of course, Assange is completely incommunicado in the Ecuador embassy, so he cannot defend himself against the Mueller accusations. Mueller really doesn’t have to prove anything: he can say what he wants. Comey and Warner prevented Assange from providing evidence exonerating ‘the Russians’, and Assange has been shut down.
https://www.zerohedge.com/news/2018-07-14/true-meaning-collusion-expos
ed

JSF: I have found that "conservatives" ALSO lack honesty. It's not just "libtards" who lie and twist history. The reason why "libtards" are so dishonest NOW is because they have been thwarted from achieving their goals, and their nemesis is in office, leaving them in the position of "anything goes" in order to get their way. If the shoe was on the other foot and Hillary was in office, I suspect the right would be engaging in similar behavior. I find that MOST people have no idea how to apply their ethics to themselves as well as others.

In the face of overwhelming demonstration on this board that the "Conservative" posters do not regularly change or redact their posts once the post is completed, while the other end of the spectrum constantly does, your assertion falls thunderously flat.

SIGNYM

Sunday, July 15, 2018 11:33 PM

Quote:
In the face of overwhelming demonstration on this board that the "Conservative" posters do not regularly change or redact their posts once the post is completed, while the other end of the spectrum constantly does, your assertion falls thunderously flat.

Well, I DO have to say that when I was excoriating GWB here, the most "patriotic" (pro-military) right-wingers here (GEEZER, FINN, AURAPTOR etc) didn't, as far as I recall, devolve to the point of trolling, name-calling, and libel ... like so many of the self-styled "progressives" here now. They generally stuck to the topic, and discussed issues like adults. The so-called "progressives" who remain here are a particularly noxious bunch of trolls.

BUT. When Obama was elected, the right wing did things like share pictures of Obama with a bulls-eye superimposed, or as a watermelon-and-fried-chicken-eating monkey. They whinged endlessly about the "birther" conspiracy when - as far as I could tell, having looked deeply into the topic - there was no evidence behind it. And while they were all up-in-arms about Obama opening the government's budgetary veins into health insurance and big pharma coffers, they were silent when GWB did the same thing with Medicare part D. Also, when they supported GWB with his "unitary executive" they failed to predict that Obama would use the same rationale to write HIS Executive Orders, which they howled about later. Failed to notice that Obama continued along the same Constitution-shredding lines as GWB, and continued to believe that "trickle down" works when every attempt has blown up every budget and increased the wealth gap with every implementation. So, I find right-wingers HERE to be more polite and on-topic than the so-called progressives, but not any more objective.

-----------
Pity would be no more,
If we did not MAKE men poor - William Blake

As long as you insist that everything is the Republicans'/ Democrats' fault, then you fail to grasp the REAL problem with American politics.

America is an oligarchy http://www.fireflyfans.net/mthread.aspx?tid=57876

1KIKI

Monday, July 16, 2018 12:27 AM

Department of Justice
Office of Public Affairs
FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE
Friday, July 13, 2018
Grand Jury Indicts 12 Russian Intelligence Officers for Hacking Offenses Related to the 2016 Election

There is no allegation in the indictment that any American was a knowing participant in the alleged unlawful activity or knew they were communicating with Russian intelligence officers. There is no allegation in the indictment that the charged conduct altered the vote count or changed the outcome of the 2016 election.

Everyone charged with a crime is presumed innocent unless proven guilty in court. At trial, prosecutors must introduce credible evidence that is sufficient to prove each defendant guilty beyond a reasonable doubt, to the unanimous satisfaction of a jury of twelve citizens.

indictment here
https://www.documentcloud.org/documents/4599146-Netyksho-Et-Al-Indictm
ent-Copy.html

SECOND is a troll because it constantly misrepresents what people post, fails to address their actual positions, and resorts to personal attacks when its brain isn't working (which is most of the time).

REAVERFAN

Monday, July 16, 2018 1:19 AM

Yet, the DNC was absolutely hacked.

/end thread

1KIKI

Monday, July 16, 2018 1:27 AM

According to the DoJ "Everyone charged with a crime is presumed innocent unless proven guilty in court. At trial, prosecutors must introduce credible evidence that is sufficient to prove each defendant guilty beyond a reasonable doubt, to the unanimous satisfaction of a jury of twelve citizens."

Need I point out that an indictment is not evidence?

SECOND is a troll because it constantly misrepresents what people post, fails to address their actual positions, and resorts to personal attacks when its brain isn't working (which is most of the time).

1KIKI

Monday, July 16, 2018 1:30 AM

Department of Justice
Office of Public Affairs
FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE
Friday, July 13, 2018
Grand Jury Indicts 12 Russian Intelligence Officers for Hacking Offenses Related to the 2016 Election

There is no allegation in the indictment that any American was a knowing participant in the alleged unlawful activity or knew they were communicating with Russian intelligence officers. There is no allegation in the indictment that the charged conduct altered the vote count or changed the outcome of the 2016 election.

Everyone charged with a crime is presumed innocent unless proven guilty in court. At trial, prosecutors must introduce credible evidence that is sufficient to prove each defendant guilty beyond a reasonable doubt, to the unanimous satisfaction of a jury of twelve citizens.

indictment here
https://www.documentcloud.org/documents/4599146-Netyksho-Et-Al-Indictm
ent-Copy.html

SECOND is a troll because it constantly misrepresents what people post, fails to address their actual positions, and resorts to personal attacks when its brain isn't working (which is most of the time).

JJ

Monday, July 16, 2018 2:04 AM

The nuts are out in force reaverfan. Funny to watch. I'd add that facts rule in a court of law and not delusional propaganda. Trump and his associates are learning this lesson the hard way. So are the nuts posting here.

T

JJ

Monday, July 16, 2018 2:37 AM

kiki you are a waste as a human being. Get with the facts and stop posting irrelevant shit. Go back to your first posts in this thread. Boy have you been losing ground. Every time Mueller follows a lead he finds another Russian hiding under a rock.

T

SIGNYM

Monday, July 16, 2018 4:20 AM

There is one person who knows the truth about where he got Podesta's emails, and that's Julian Assange. And HE said it was not a Russian, but someone with legitimate access to the files.

So.

No matter how often and how hard Robert Mueller pulls his wanker and tries to come up with some fever-dream about RUSSIA!!! and the DNC server (which, BTW, the FBI never examined) ....

unless he interrogates the ONE PERSON who KNOWS THE TRUTH about where those files really came from, he obviously has NO interest in finding out what really happened

And you should be asking yourselves, WHY is Muller avoiding the most obvious and fruitful line of questioning; WHY is he spending his time on indirect, circumstantial and unsupported lines of inquiry; and WHY did he release this "indictment" just a few days before Trump's meeting with Putin?

-----------
Pity would be no more,
If we did not MAKE men poor - William Blake

As long as you insist that everything is the Republicans'/ Democrats' fault, then you fail to grasp the REAL problem with American politics.

America is an oligarchy http://www.fireflyfans.net/mthread.aspx?tid=57876

1KIKI

Monday, July 16, 2018 4:49 AM

Quote:
Originally posted by JJ:
kiki you are a waste as a human being. Get with the facts and stop posting irrelevant shit. Go back to your first posts in this thread. Boy have you been losing ground. Every time Mueller follows a lead he finds another Russian hiding under a rock.

Department of Justice
Office of Public Affairs
FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE
Friday, July 13, 2018
Grand Jury Indicts 12 Russian Intelligence Officers for Hacking Offenses Related to the 2016 Election

There is no allegation in the indictment that any American was a knowing participant in the alleged unlawful activity or knew they were communicating with Russian intelligence officers. There is no allegation in the indictment that the charged conduct altered the vote count or changed the outcome of the 2016 election.

Everyone charged with a crime is presumed innocent unless proven guilty in court. At trial, prosecutors must introduce credible evidence that is sufficient to prove each defendant guilty beyond a reasonable doubt, to the unanimous satisfaction of a jury of twelve citizens.

indictment here
https://www.documentcloud.org/documents/4599146-Netyksho-Et-Al-Indictm
ent-Copy.html

THUGGER

At least the DoJ knows the difference between 'indictment'/ 'evidence', and 'conviction'/ 'claim', even if you don't.

SECOND is a troll because it constantly misrepresents what people post, fails to address their actual positions, and resorts to personal attacks when its brain isn't working (which is most of the time).

JEWELSTAITEFAN

Monday, July 16, 2018 5:28 AM

Quote:
Originally posted by 1kiki:
Quote:
Originally posted by JJ:
kiki you are a waste as a human being. Get with the facts and stop posting irrelevant shit. Go back to your first posts in this thread. Boy have you been losing ground. Every time Mueller follows a lead he finds another Russian hiding under a rock.

Department of Justice
Office of Public Affairs
FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE
Friday, July 13, 2018
Grand Jury Indicts 12 Russian Intelligence Officers for Hacking Offenses Related to the 2016 Election

There is no allegation in the indictment that any American was a knowing participant in the alleged unlawful activity or knew they were communicating with Russian intelligence officers. There is no allegation in the indictment that the charged conduct altered the vote count or changed the outcome of the 2016 election.

Everyone charged with a crime is presumed innocent unless proven guilty in court. At trial, prosecutors must introduce credible evidence that is sufficient to prove each defendant guilty beyond a reasonable doubt, to the unanimous satisfaction of a jury of twelve citizens.

indictment here
https://www.documentcloud.org/documents/4599146-Netyksho-Et-Al-Indictm
ent-Copy.html

THUGGER

At least the DoJ knows the difference between 'indictment'/ 'evidence', and 'conviction'/ 'claim', even if you don't.

SECOND is a troll because it constantly misrepresents what people post, fails to address their actual positions, and resorts to personal attacks when its brain isn't working (which is most of the time).

Do you really think the Trolls will ever let this sink in?

REAVERFAN

Monday, July 16, 2018 8:46 AM

Russian trolls call Americans trolls?

1KIKI

Monday, July 16, 2018 9:32 AM

Quote:
Originally posted by JEWELSTAITEFAN:
Do you really think the Trolls will ever let this sink in?

No. Facts are beyond them.

Hence, the name-calling, because they simply have nothing else to say.

SECOND is a troll because it constantly misrepresents what people post, fails to address their actual positions, and resorts to personal attacks when its brain isn't working (which is most of the time).

JEWELSTAITEFAN

Tuesday, July 17, 2018 12:12 AM

Quote:
Originally posted by SIGNYM:
Quote:
In the face of overwhelming demonstration on this board that the "Conservative" posters do not regularly change or redact their posts once the post is completed, while the other end of the spectrum constantly does, your assertion falls thunderously flat.
Well, I DO have to say that when I was excoriating GWB here, the most "patriotic" (pro-military) right-wingers here (GEEZER, FINN, AURAPTOR etc) didn't, as far as I recall, devolve to the point of trolling, name-calling, and libel ... like so many of the self-styled "progressives" here now. They generally stuck to the topic, and discussed issues like adults. The so-called "progressives" who remain here are a particularly noxious bunch of trolls.

BUT. When Obama was elected, the right wing did things like share pictures of Obama with a bulls-eye superimposed, or as a watermelon-and-fried-chicken-eating monkey.

Didn't see that here. Is this your proof that they redacted or erased their postings?
Quote:

They whinged endlessly about the "birther" conspiracy
Is this your proof that they redacted or changed their posts?
Quote:
And while they were all up-in-arms about Obama opening the government's budgetary veins into health insurance and big pharma coffers
Is this your proof they redacted or erased their posts?
Quote:
Also, when they supported GWB with his "unitary executive" they failed to predict that Obama would use the same rationale to write HIS Executive Orders
Is this your proof that they redacted or erased their posts?
Quote:
Failed to notice that Obama continued along the same
In your deluded opinion
Quote:
Constitution-shredding lines as GWB
is this your proof that they redacted or erased their posts?
Quote:
and continued to believe that "trickle down" works
This fact has been posted repeatedly by reasonable folk. Are you claiming that they have redacted or erased posts of this obvious fact?

Quote:
So, I find right-wingers HERE to be more polite and on-topic than the so-called progressives, but not any more objective.

You seem to be confused. Just because reasonable folk post facts which do not conform to your political opinion (or your politically biased version of objectivity) does not equate to them rewriting their posted history, changing their posts after you think they are proven wrong - which is the failure of etiquette being discussed.
So try to keep up with the actual topic when the adults are talking, m'kay?

JEWELSTAITEFAN

Saturday, March 30, 2019 3:00 AM

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