No Such Thing As White Privilege
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So maybe there's something fucked up about a system that is hell-bent on destroying jobs.
Because I have to ask the question: Is the economy there to serve us, or are we there to serve the economy?
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So maybe there's something fucked up about a system that is hell-bent on destroying jobs.
Because I have to ask the question: Is the economy there to serve us, or are we there to serve the economy?
We are tax farms Sigs.
They conned the women into thinking that working as slaves to the system along with the men was a good thing.
We serve the economy. There is no question about that.
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Originally posted by SIGNYM:
So maybe there's something fucked up about a system that is hell-bent on destroying jobs.
Because I have to ask the question: Is the economy there to serve us, or are we there to serve the economy?
SIX: We are tax farms Sigs.They conned the women into thinking that working as slaves to the system along with the men was a good thing.We serve the economy. There is no question about that.
I don't think you're thinking big enuf, SIX. There's some bigger than government. Three guesses as to what to that is.
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Space Aliens?
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Okay- a hint: Who or what gets away with paying no, or few, taxes? Bc whoever they are or whatever that is, it is -or they are- bigger than government and are immune to the government taxman.
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Ok, SIX, an example to get the brain going...
Let's say there's a foundry, and in that foundry they have an worker who does small stuff... If a machine needs more sand, he brings it. If an aisleway needs clearing, he clears it. If something needs sweeping up, he sweeps it. He keeps the bathrooms clean and orders small stuff ... toilet paper, cleaning supplies, vending machine stuff, forms for invoices and such. His fellow workers recognise the contribution he makes, but with one big difference
HE DOESN'T GET PAID.
Instead, he's allowed to sleep in a small room set up just for him, and eat whatever anyone chooses to bring for him or buy for him from the vending machines, and maybe somebody gives him money from time to time.
If this were to happen in the USA we would call it slavery. OR, WE MIGHT CALL IT UNPAID LABOR. Or, being a housewife.
Unpaid household labor is just another way for business owners to wring more profit from their employees, because their employees can come to work with all of their personal needs taken care of, ready to focus on the day. And when business needs to hire younger labor ... VOILA! There it is! Someone popped them out and raised them (at least partway), without any cost to them!
Business doesn't just parasitize the worker, it parasitizes government and it parasitizes the whole society, including the family.
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Originally posted by SIGNYM:
Ok, SIX, an example to get the brain going...
Let's say there's a foundry, and in that foundry they have an worker who does small stuff... If a machine needs more sand, he brings it. If an aisleway needs clearing, he clears it. If something needs sweeping up, he sweeps it. He keeps the bathrooms clean and orders small stuff ... toilet paper, cleaning supplies, vending machine stuff, forms for invoices and such. His fellow workers recognise the contribution he makes, but with one big difference
HE DOESN'T GET PAID.
Instead, he's allowed to sleep in a small room set up just for him, and eat whatever anyone chooses to bring for him or buy for him from the vending machines, and maybe somebody gives him money from time to time.
Most of us already live like this already, Sigs. Sure... nobody is actually living in the mop closet at KMart, but they barely make enough money to have a small apartment (far too small if there is a family with kids). I was lucky enough to be doing those types of jobs after I had done right with the money I did make from good jobs I used to be able to get, but I've worked with plenty of people holding down 2 or 3 part-time shit-wage jobs while their spouses also worked 2 or 3 part-time shit wage jobs. Neither of them had insurance through their jobs because government only forces that for full-time work, and the companies know this so most of them limit the full-time work strictly to management. The only reason they even got the benefits of food-stamps is because of the kids, since working those combined 4 to 6 part-time shit-wage jobs would have priced them out of SNAP. Some of them could afford insurance from the marketplace if they could show any restraint with the almost non-existent extra money they had after paying all the bills. Most of them couldn't.
Wage slaves are still slaves. And there are tens of millions of American citizens that fall into this category. But at least, somehow, they're a step above the growing number of millions of homeless people putting up shanty towns all over the US's major cities.
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If this were to happen in the USA we would call it slavery. OR, WE MIGHT CALL IT UNPAID LABOR. Or, being a housewife.
That's a subjective point of view on your part. And you've already told me that in your world you've never known a housewife situation where she wasn't being abused.
My friend's wife who is a stay-at-home mom and home-schools their daughter loves her life. I'd only ever met her once before they got married when we were all in the limo for another mutual friend's wedding. Her husband and I had a falling out years earlier and it wasn't until 4 years ago that we reconnected and he's one of my closest two friends today. So it wasn't until I spent all night talking to her after she and her daughter made me dinner after mowing their lawn while he was out of town for job training about a month ago where I found out that back then she was kind of a big shot at an advertising firm when they met. When she got pregnant, she decided she wanted to stay at home and raise their daughter and my buddy made plenty enough money to make that happen.
Their daughter is one of the most impressive 9 year olds I've ever met. She was telling me about books she's reading (EGADS! 9 year olds even know what a book is in 2023!), and they weren't kid books. Two years ago when she was only 7 years old she was baking her own cookies that she got the recipe for online, with her mother only there to supervise to make sure a 7 year old doesn't burn the house down. They were amazing and she was so proud of them. I never see her moping around or bitching about anything. When the 3 of them are together and I'm over it's like watching 3 adults talking with each other.
She was telling me about her plans with the two closets in her bedroom last time I was over, including shelving and drawers, and a plac
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Quote:But wages slaves at least get a wage, which is a step above not geting anything.
Originally posted by SIGNYM:
Ok, SIX, an example to get the brain going...
Let's say there's a foundry, and in that foundry they have an worker who does small stuff... If a machine needs more sand, he brings it. If an aisleway needs clearing, he clears it. If something needs sweeping up, he sweeps it. He keeps the bathrooms clean and orders small stuff ... toilet paper, cleaning supplies, vending machine stuff, forms for invoices and such. His fellow workers recognise the contribution he makes, but with one big difference
HE DOESN'T GET PAID.
Instead, he's allowed to sleep in a small room set up just for him, and eat whatever anyone chooses to bring for him or buy for him from the vending machines, and maybe somebody gives him money from time to time.
Most of us already live like this already, Sigs. Sure... nobody is actually living in the mop closet at KMart, but they barely make enough money to have a small apartment (far too small if there is a family with kids). I was lucky enough to be doing those types of jobs after I had done right with the money I did make from good jobs I used to be able to get, but I've worked with plenty of people holding down 2 or 3 part-time shit-wage jobs while their spouses also worked 2 or 3 part-time shit wage jobs. Neither of them had insurance through their jobs because government only forces that for full-time work, and the companies know this so most of them limit the full-time work strictly to management. The only reason they even got the benefits of food-stamps is because of the kids, since working those combined 4 to 6 part-time shit-wage jobs would have priced them out of SNAP. Some of them could afford insurance from the marketplace if they could show any restraint with the almost non-existent extra money they had after paying all the bills. Most of them couldn't.
Wage slaves are still slaves. And there are tens of millions of American citizens that fall into this category. But at least, somehow, they're a step above the growing number of millions of homeless people putting up shanty towns all over the US's major cities.
Quote:I said that in the households I knew (and I later remembered one exception, which was my step-aunt and her husband) MOST of the housewives I knew were under their husband's thumb, and I knew of two horrific cases of abuse, one ending in death. And since I know the children very closely, these weren't just stories I heard third or fourth-hand or rumors or newspaper clippings. But just bc a married women worked didn't guarantee happiness, a lot depended on the man she was married to.
SIGNY: If this were to happen in the USA we would call it slavery. OR, WE MIGHT CALL IT UNPAID LABOR. Or, being a housewife.
SIX: That's a subjective point of view on your part. And you've already told me that in your world you've never known a housewife situation where she wasn't being abused.
Hubby, who was abused as well as his mom and brother, remembers nice households from his youth. When he was working construction and got to know the people and their families on his team pretty well, in most cases hubby just turned his paycheck over to wiffy and she ran the household and raised the kids and did the budgeting bc hubby was working 6 days a week, 14 hours a day.
So, your mileage may vary.
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My friend's wife who is a stay-at-home mom and home-schools their daughter loves her life. I'd only ever met her once before they got married when we were all in the limo for another mutual friend's wedding. Her husband and I had a falling out years earlier and it wasn't until 4 years ago that we reconnected and he's one of my closest two friends today. So it wasn't until I spent all night talking to her after she and her daughter made me dinner after mowing their lawn while he was out of town for job training about a month ago where I found outNOTIFY: Y | REPLY | REPLY WITH QUOTE | PERMALINK | TOP | HOME
So, to get back to the title of the thread, focusing on white/ black/ hispanic/ asian or "other", male/ female, old/ young ... or however you chop up American identity ... is there just to keep us from looking at the TRULY privileged: those people who are 1.000,000 times (or more) wealthier than we are, who get to make the Big Decisions about where industry will be located or how money will be sloshed around the world, or which war is gonna be waged, and how they parasitize and try to control the world this quarter.
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Oh BTW hubby (whose memory goes back farther than mine) says I have it bassackwards:
Men's wages were ALREADY falling, which is why housewives were forced into the labor market, often unwillingly.
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