No Such Thing As White Privilege
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Sometimes I am reminded of the fact that, if "African-Americans" were a separate state, they would be the 13th largest economy of the world - with no other "black" country ranked higher. So they need to whine about being better off than any of their ancestors. Whether enslaved or murdered by their fellow countrymen from a rival tribe, it didn't happen in the past century. Now their ancestral home countries just have rival tribes commit mass genocide.
This thread is one of those times.
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Dove partners with BLM activist to promote ‘fat liberation’ after she was accused of getting white student wrongly expelled
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Having interviewed many many people and been on many interview panels, I can say unequivocally that a tall, good looking well-spoken and technically knowledgeable white male stands a better chance of being hired than anyone equally knowledgeable and well spoken who is older or fatter or shorter or darker. (Unless they're Asian.)
Also, Bambi-like females have a clear advantage over non-Bambi females.
Yes, there is still discrimination, even in fields where technical knowledge and aptitude for the job is well-defined.
But blacks do themselves no favors when they define speaking proper English, hard work, math, reading, perfectionism, punctuality etc as "white". The deck is already stacked against them a bit (not as much as B4) so why put yourself at an insurmountable disadvantage?
Also,THERE IS A CLEAR LACK OF JOBS AT ALL LEVELS AND IN ALL SECTORS OF SOCIETY, except the medical field, low paid personal services such as elder companion, nanny and gardener, and even lower -paid agricultural work, stoop labor, and piecework.
And construction.(And if real estate implodes, so will construction work).
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Originally posted by SIGNYM:
Having interviewed many many people and been on many interview panels, I can say unequivocally that a tall, good looking well-spoken and technically knowledgeable white male stands a better chance of being hired than anyone equally knowledgeable and well spoken who is older or fatter or shorter or darker. (Unless they're Asian.)
Check that tall and good looking part again. I think you'll find the tall and good looking person gets hired before any other person regardless of race or sex.
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Also, Bambi-like females have a clear advantage over non-Bambi females.
Agreed.
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Yes, there is still discrimination, even in fields where technical knowledge and aptitude for the job is well-defined.
But blacks do themselves no favors when they define speaking proper English, hard work, math, reading, perfectionism, punctuality etc as "white". The deck is already stacked against them a bit (not as much as B4) so why put yourself at an insurmountable disadvantage?
Yeah... I don't get that one.
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Also,THERE IS A CLEAR LACK OF JOBS AT ALL LEVELS AND IN ALL SECTORS OF SOCIETY, except the medical field, low paid personal services such as elder companion, nanny and gardener, and even lower -paid agricultural work, stoop labor, and piecework.
And construction.(And if real estate implodes, so will construction work).
I've posted long thoughts on this one. When women started working and eventually became half or more of the workforce out of necessity, the job pool shrunk in half. I've known women in my life who have bitched about the "revolution" and would rather not have to work to live, and I've known women who were stay-at-home moms and are grateful that their husbands made enough money to allow them to do that. They constantly get shit on by other women in their lives.
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Quote:Part of the definition of 'good looking' ... for men, anyway... involves being white. Possibly bc Hispanic-looking or black men are tainted with the prejudice of being uneducated or violent or both.
Originally posted by SIGNYM:
Having interviewed many many people and been on many interview panels, I can say unequivocally that a tall, good looking well-spoken and technically knowledgeable white male stands a better chance of being hired than anyone equally knowledgeable and well spoken who is older or fatter or shorter or darker. (Unless they're Asian.)
SIX: Check that tall and good looking part again. I think you'll find the tall and good looking person gets hired before any other person regardless of race or sex.
Quote:And older people are frozen out of the job market.
SIGNY Also, Bambi-like females have a clear advantage over non-Bambi females.
SIX: Agreed.
Quote:That's a complicated question. Whether a woman is happy being a "stay at home' mom depends a lot on the kind of husband she has. Some men are abusive. I know of one man who beat his wife to death with a wire coat hanger. (We know his son, who worked closely with hubby, so this isn't some distantly-told story.) I know of another man who burned his stay-at-home wife with an iron. (Another story from someone close to us.)
SIGNY Yes, there is still discrimination, even in fields where technical knowledge and aptitude for the job is well-defined.
But blacks do themselves no favors when they define speaking proper English, hard work, math, reading, perfectionism, punctuality etc as "white". The deck is already stacked against them a bit (not as much as B4) so why put yourself at an insurmountable disadvantage?
SIX: Yeah... I don't get that one.
SIGNY: Also,THERE IS A CLEAR LACK OF JOBS AT ALL LEVELS AND IN ALL SECTORS OF SOCIETY, except the medical field, low paid personal services such as elder companion, nanny and gardener, and even lower -paid agricultural work, stoop labor, and piecework.
And construction.(And if real estate implodes, so will construction work).
SIX: I've posted long thoughts on this one. When women started working and eventually became half or more of the workforce out of necessity, the job pool shrunk in half. I've known women in my life who have bitched about the "revolution" and would rather not have to work to live, and I've known women who were stay-at-home moms and are grateful that their husbands made enough money to allow them to do that. They constantly get shit on by other women in their lives.
On the less-extreme end, my next door neighbor's husband (when I was a kid) would come home and yell at her and the kids for -literally- hours. (Our houses were a driveway and a bit of lawn apart, and in the summer with the windows open we could hear everything that went on.) OTOH My aunt and uncle both worked, and they were even-tempered people who were nice to their kids and enjoyed life.
So, yanno, being a stay-at-home mom isn't the panacea that some people think it is, and being a working woman isn't necessarily terrible.
But being a single mom, tho, usually sucks.
And, JOBS have simply have disappeared. Where I grew up the economy was still on an immediately post-war high. But eventually the foundry, which made train carriage wheels, ran down. The next industry after that, AMC (which made pinsetting machines IIRC) shut down. A company that made agricultural and food processing machines, FMC, moevd out of the area. Semet Solvay was bought out by Union Carbide and then by ...? and then went under. The steel mills - Bethlehem, Lackawanna, Republic - which between them employed over 60,000 people ... shut down. The Buffalo auto assembly plan shuttered. Even Trico, which originated in Bufallo, wound down its presence and is now mainly near the Mexican border.
SIX, over the course of 20 years the economy went from being vibrant to being moribund, and the two employers who wer
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Originally posted by SIGNYM:Quote:Part of the definition of 'good looking' ... for men, anyway... involves being white. Possibly bc Hispanic-looking or black men are tainted with the prejudice of being uneducated or violent or both.
Originally posted by SIGNYM:
Having interviewed many many people and been on many interview panels, I can say unequivocally that a tall, good looking well-spoken and technically knowledgeable white male stands a better chance of being hired than anyone equally knowledgeable and well spoken who is older or fatter or shorter or darker. (Unless they're Asian.)
SIX: Check that tall and good looking part again. I think you'll find the tall and good looking person gets hired before any other person regardless of race or sex.
I don't agree. There are plenty of good looking black and Hispanic men. If they're well spoken and don't show up to the interview wearing a basketball jersey or wearing pants that show their drawers, they'll get hired over an ugly short white dude any day of the week.
Quote:Quote:And older people are frozen out of the job market.
SIGNY Also, Bambi-like females have a clear advantage over non-Bambi females.
SIX: Agreed.
Absolutely.
Quote:Quote:That's a complicated question. Whether a woman is happy being a "stay at home' mom depends a lot on the kind of husband she has. Some men are abusive. I know of one man who beat his wife to death with a wire coat hanger. On the less-extreme end, my next door neighbor's husband (when I was a kid) would come home and yell at her and the kids for -literally- hours. (Our houses were a driveway and a bit of lawn apart, and in the summer with the wondows open we could hear everything that went on.) OTOH My aunt and uncle both worked, and they were even-tempered people who were nice to their kids and enjoyed life.
SIGNY Yes, there is still discrimination, even in fields where technical knowledge and aptitude for the job is well-defined.
But blacks do themselves no favors when they define speaking proper English, hard work, math, reading, perfectionism, punctuality etc as "white". The deck is already stacked against them a bit (not as much as B4) so why put yourself at an insurmountable disadvantage?
SIX: Yeah... I don't get that one.
SIGNY: Also,THERE IS A CLEAR LACK OF JOBS AT ALL LEVELS AND IN ALL SECTORS OF SOCIETY, except the medical field, low paid personal services such as elder companion, nanny and gardener, and even lower -paid agricultural work, stoop labor, and piecework.
And construction.(And if real estate implodes, so will construction work).
SIX: I've posted long thoughts on this one. When women started working and eventually became half or more of the workforce out of necessity, the job pool shrunk in half. I've known women in my life who have bitched about the "revolution" and would rather not have to work to live, and I've known women who were stay-at-home moms and are grateful that their husbands made enough money to allow them to do that. They constantly get shit on by other women in their lives.
So, yanno, being a stay-at-home mom isn't the panacea that some people think it is, and being a working woman isn't necessarily terrible.
It might not necessarily be terrible when they have good jobs. I can tell you that it's been many years since I've had what somebody considered a good job and I've yet to meet a woman who liked hers since that time.
I've never known any stay at home mom that had an abusive husband, so I can't speak to that. All I know is that they regularly get shit on from other women about it. I would assume that's part out of a sense of "obligation" from a lifetime of brainwashing, and part jealousy.
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Being a single mom, tho, usually sucks.
True that.
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It's funny bc EVERY stay-at-home mom that I knew when I was a kid was under her husband's thumb, if not outright abused.
As a girl, it gave me a strong incentive not to be financially controlled by anyone. There may have been happy stay-at-home moms in the neighborhood, but I didn't know them.
The problem is the relative powerlessness of stay-at-home moms creates the potential for abuse. If she has a bad husband, what are her options? It used to be, when families lived closer together she went back home to her mom. In some long-ago European neighborhods, the men, or the women, in the neighborhood intervened. Now there are "women's shelters" which is just one step above being homeless.
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It's funny bc EVERY stay-at-home mom that I knew when I was a kid was under her husband's thumb, if not outright abused.
I don't believe that at all. I think you've been brainwashed to believe that.
About 1/3rd of my time growing up was being at my grandparent's house. My grandfather would have never imagined ever hurting my grandmother.
She was from a well-to-do family and had a college education. Instead of working, she "married down" with the poor Pollack, was immediately disowned from her family and the inheritance she would have gotten, and she stayed at home and raised 5 kids, PTA meetings and all. And my grandfather got on his hands and knees to scrub that kitchen floor up until the day he was unable to do it anymore, always saying that type of work was beneath her.
She never bitched once about her cancer, and in all the times she was on chemo she never got sick or lost her hair either. When it finally came for her, it was quick and relatively painless.
The scenario you present is not anything I've ever been familiar with. I think you must have been a part of or been very close to somebody who went through something traumatic and you're projecting that on to everyone else.
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Oh fuck you, SIX. Don't fucking tell me what I do and don't remember.
I didn't know every stay at home mom in the neighborhood, but I knew my next door neighbors, and my 'cross the street neighbors.
One next door neighbor yelled at his wife and kids for hours. It was impossible to miss. The other dad (the one who worked as a chemist at Union Carbide) wore a permanent scowl, and his wife scurried whenever he came home. I never even SAW my 'cross the street neighbor, I swear she never left the house. It's like the men resented having to go to work.
To be fair, my backdoor neighbors seemed relatively quiet... there was one lady in the neighborhood who, fir one summer at least, gave art lessons (but I think she was a teacher). Two of my three aunts worked and my mom worked. The one aunt who didn't work actually seemed pretty happy, so at least there was that.
So let me modify that: not EVERY stay-at-home was under her husband's thumb, but a lot of them were.
And not every working mom was hapoy- my mom was working and miserable.
But, again, I think it goes back to the kinds of husbands they had. My dad was suffering from massive PTSD. He was kind of damaged, emotionally, and so insecure he made mom go to work. My husband's dad was even more damaged, and he abused his stay-at-home wife. The guy who beat his wife to death was psychotic, had nothing to do with whether she stayed at home or not.
I wonder whether the men in our neighborhood were already reacting to diminishing economic prospects. Feeling insecure in your job and your ability to support your family can cause a lot of pressure.
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Loving America is like loving an addicted spouse - SIGNYM
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Quote:When productivity increases in the factories, employment decreases. It's mathematical, not personal.
Originally posted by SIGNYM:
And, JOBS have simply have disappeared. Where I grew up the economy was still on an immediately post-war high. But eventually the foundry, which made train carriage wheels, ran down. The next industry after that, AMC (which made pinsetting machines IIRC) shut down. A company that made agricultural and food processing machines, FMC, moevd out of the area. Semet Solvay was bought out by Union Carbide and then by ...? and then went under. The steel mills - Bethlehem, Lackawanna, Republic - which between them employed over 60,000 people ... shut down. The Buffalo auto assembly plan shuttered. Even Trico, which originated in Bufallo, wound down its presence and is now mainly near the Mexican border.
SIX, over the course of 20 years the economy went from being vibrant to being moribund, and the two employers who were still going strong were the university and the mafia.
You weren't around for the hollowing out of the rust belt but hundreds of thousands of jobs just in WNYS alone went POOF!
Explanation from the Federal Reserve Bank
https://fredblog.stlouisfed.org/2016/05/manufacturing-up-down/
https://fred.stlouisfed.org/graph/?g=197Sv
The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at
https://www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly
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