Countdown Clock to Trumps impeachment " STARTS"
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Only 2,009 days remaining on the Impeachment Clock.
How exciting. 002780
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The Mueller hearing was a debacle for Democrats. The new impeachment rules show that they’ve learned the lesson that it is very easy to sabotage an ordinary congressional hearing.
In the typical hearing, members of Congress each spend five minutes — and only five minutes — questioning a witness or panel of witnesses. Question time ordinarily alternates between Democrats and Republicans.
This process generates a number of easily foreseeable problems. It is inevitable that some members will be more effective questioners than others, but the five-minute rule allows witnesses to filibuster particularly effective questioners until that member’s time runs out. The five-minute rule also means that members do not have enough time to conduct deep, probing inquiries or to ask a long series of follow-up questions that could uncover answers a witness would rather keep hidden.
The fact that question time typically alternates between partisans, moreover, means that the minority can disrupt an effective line of questioning by shifting the topic to irrelevant accusations or outright conspiracy theories. A July hearing featuring former Special Counsel Robert Mueller was a disaster for Democrats for many reasons, but one reason was that it is hard to keep focus on a serious line of inquiry when that inquiry is constantly being interrupted by members ranting about Russian false flags or submitting pieces they wrote for Fox News host Sean Hannity’s website into the record.
More at "The most important part of the Democrats’ impeachment resolution"
www.vox.com/2019/10/31/20941811/most-important-democrats-impeachment-r
esolution
The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly
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The Mueller hearing was a debacle for Democrats. The new impeachment rules show that they’ve learned the lesson that it is very easy to sabotage an ordinary congressional hearing.
In the typical hearing, members of Congress each spend five minutes — and only five minutes — questioning a witness or panel of witnesses. Question time ordinarily alternates between Democrats and Republicans.
This process generates a number of easily foreseeable problems. It is inevitable that some members will be more effective questioners than others, but the five-minute rule allows witnesses to filibuster particularly effective questioners until that member’s time runs out. The five-minute rule also means that members do not have enough time to conduct deep, probing inquiries or to ask a long series of follow-up questions that could uncover answers a witness would rather keep hidden.
The fact that question time typically alternates between partisans, moreover, means that the minority can disrupt an effective line of questioning by shifting the topic to irrelevant accusations or outright conspiracy theories. A July hearing featuring former Special Counsel Robert Mueller was a disaster for Democrats for many reasons, but one reason was that it is hard to keep focus on a serious line of inquiry when that inquiry is constantly being interrupted by members ranting about Russian false flags or submitting pieces they wrote for Fox News host Sean Hannity’s website into the record.
More at "The most important part of the Democrats’ impeachment resolution"
www.vox.com/2019/10/31/20941811/most-important-democrats-impeachment-r
esolution
The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly
Ian Millhiser is a failed Philosophy major and virtue signaler who's only option in 2019 was to work for Vox.
He will be out of a job again when Vox shuts down. I look forward to teaching him how to use a pallet jack in the future. It's about time that old man got some callouses on his overprivileged hands.
Do Right, Be Right. :)
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Ohio Sen. Rob Portman tested a Republican response to impeachment. “I thought it was inappropriate for the president to ask a foreign government to investigate a political opponent,” he said. “I also do not think it’s an impeachable offense.”
Portman's answer conspicuously, even deceptively, ignores the issue at hand. A decision about impeachment not only involves the response to a specific act — say, a third-rate burglary. It necessarily entails a judgment about the fitness for high office of the actor. In Trump’s case, the problem is not a slimy phone call in a lifetime of slimy phone calls. The problem is a president who puts his personal interests ahead of U.S. national security and who still finds nothing wrong with his “perfect” conversation. The corrupt act reveals a corrupt man, unable to make the most rudimentary judgments about the nation’s good.
If the best of the Republican Party is willing to make shallow, shoddy excuses for an unfit president, then the path ahead is disturbingly clear. The details of the case for impeachment will not matter. Fearing the revolt of their base — and the retribution of an emotionally unstable president — Senate Republicans (with one admirable exception, Utah’s Mitt Romney) have already chosen their final position: acquittal. And whatever is revealed in the course of the investigation — no matter how vomitous — will fall just short of an impeachable offense. The goal posts will move and move until they are in the next county.
The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly
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Originally posted by second:
Ohio Sen. Rob Portman tested a Republican response to impeachment. “I thought it was inappropriate for the president to ask a foreign government to investigate a political opponent,” he said. “I also do not think it’s an impeachable offense.”
Portman's answer conspicuously, even deceptively, ignores the issue at hand. A decision about impeachment not only involves the response to a specific act — say, a third-rate burglary. It necessarily entails a judgment about the fitness for high office of the actor. In Trump’s case, the problem is not a slimy phone call in a lifetime of slimy phone calls. The problem is a president who puts his personal interests ahead of U.S. national security and who still finds nothing wrong with his “perfect” conversation. The corrupt act reveals a corrupt man, unable to make the most rudimentary judgments about the nation’s good.
If the best of the Republican Party is willing to make shallow, shoddy excuses for an unfit president, then the path ahead is disturbingly clear. The details of the case for impeachment will not matter. Fearing the revolt of their base — and the retribution of an emotionally unstable president — Senate Republicans (with one admirable exception, Utah’s Mitt Romney) have already chosen their final position: acquittal. And whatever is revealed in the course of the investigation — no matter how vomitous — will fall just short of an impeachable offense. The goal posts will move and move until they are in the next county.
The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly
Opinions, opinions, opinions.
Don't talk about others moving the goalposts when that is exactly what you're doing.
We've heard about your opinions of Trump for 3 years now and we don't care.
If there is not an impeachable offense, which there isn't, then you have nothing.
This whole process ensures Trump's re-election in 2020. Glad the idiots finally started to move forward with it.
Do Right, Be Right. :)
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But Trump was elected President, not Pence. There will be life after Trump, but if you kick over the Constitution in your haste to get rid of him and allow the deep state to drive him from office then where will you be then?
It's like when Republicans were cheering on GWB's "unitary executive" and FREM warned people that the next President would be a democrat, and that all of the violations that Republicans were cheering on would come back to bite the, Be careful what you wish for.
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America is an oligarchy http://www.fireflyfans.net/mthread.aspx?tid=57876 .
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You idiots have been oppressing the entire sexual spectrum as long as you have existed. I can't wait for the day your kind is dead - WISHIMAY
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Yanno, this whole hysteria reminds me of the RUSSIA!!RUSSIA!! hoax. But more than that, it reminds me of the Kavanaugh hearings ... remember them ? ... where one delusional "witness" after another claimed to have heard ... or possibly recalled... or maybe someone said that someone said... and then vomitted a bunch of bias and spew.
Anyone who takes this seriously should have their head examined.
And now the (so-called) "whistleblower"* who set off this chain of events based on secondhand information refuses to testify, and the House isn't going to compel him and even isn't in negotiation with the second "witness" who intially supported the whistleblower's claims.
Quote:Until the Senate trial, that is.
Trump-Ukraine Whistleblower Suddenly Won't Testify; Lawyers Break Off Negotiations Amid New Revelations
A CIA officer who filed a second-hand whistleblower complaint against President Trump has gotten cold feet about testifying after revelations emerged that he worked with Joe Biden, former CIA Director John Brennan, and a DNC operative who sought dirt on President Trump from officials in Ukraine's former government.
According to the Washington Examiner, discussions with the whistleblower - revealed by RealClearInvestigations as 33-year-old Eric Ciaramella have been halted, "and there is no discussion of testimony from a second whistleblower, who supported the first's claims."
Ciaramella complained that President Trump abused his office when he asked Ukraine to investigate corruption allegations against Joe Biden and his son Hunter, as well as claims related to pro-Clinton election interference and DNC hacking in 2016.
On Thursday, a top National Security Council official who was present on a July 25 phone call between Trump and Ukrainian President Volodomyr Zelensky testified that he saw nothing illegal about the conversation.
"I want to be clear, I was not concerned that anything illegal was discussed," said Tim Morrison, former NSC Senior Director for European Affairs who was on the July 25 call between the two leaders.
And now, the partisan whistleblowers have cold feet;
"There is no indication that either of the original whistleblowers will be called to testify or appear before the Senate or House Intelligence committees. There is no further discussion ongoing between the legal team and the committees," said the Examiner's source.
The whistleblower is a career CIA officer with expertise in Ukraine policy who served on the White House National Security Council during the Obama administration, when 2020 Democratic presidential candidate Joe Biden was "point man" for Ukraine, and during the early months of the Trump administration. -Washington Examiner
In other words, House Democrats are about to impeach President Trump over a second-hand whistleblower complaint by a partisan CIA officer, and neither he nor his source will actually testify about it (for now...).
https://www.zerohedge.com/political/trump-ukraine-whistleblower-sudden
ly-wont-testify-lawyers-break-negotiations-house-amid
I mean, Jeezus, don't you people remember back even one year?
I think you have NO IDEA how egregiously and how often the deep state will twist your heads, and NO IDEA how fundamentally corrupt Democratic politicians are, especially those at the highest levels. (Not saying that they're any worse the Repubs, but they're just as bad.)
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Pity would be no more,
If we did not MAKE men poor - William Blake
You idiots have been oppressing the entire sexual spectrum as long as you have existed. I can't wait for the day your kind is dead - WISHIMAY
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Trumps open impeachment hearings start this month. My goodness, who could've see this coming? Oh wait, me.
tick tock
Pelosi Expects Public Impeachment Hearings to Begin This Month
House Speaker Nancy Pelosi said Friday she expects the Democratic-led impeachment inquiry of President Donald Trump to begin public hearings this month but insisted there’s no deadline to finish the investigation.
https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/pelosi-expects-public-impeachm
ent-hearings-to-begin-this-month/ar-AAJGRzn?ocid=spartandhp
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Originally posted by JEWELSTAITEFAN:
Your Impeachment Clock has only been going for 408 days.
It's been so exciting.
Thanks. The countdown clock is now at 220 days 11 hours.
Let's see, I started this thread Feb. 14th 2017. It's now Nov. 2019. So if the impeachment hearings start this month as Pelosi says, Where does that put the clock at JSF?
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