Beware the Hillary Clinton-Loathing, Donald Trump-Loving Useful Idiots of the Left

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KPO

Monday, November 7, 2016 10:13 PM

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PUTIN’S PAWNS

Beware the Hillary Clinton-Loathing, Donald Trump-Loving Useful Idiots of the Left

In this weirdest year, there may be no weirder phenomenon than the rise of the progressive Donald Trump supporter.

There exist two broad species of this political genus. First are the radical instrumentalists who see the Republican nominee as a noxious but necessary way station on the road to socialist revolution. Two months ago in this space, a writer named Christopher Ketcham made the “left-contrarian arsonist” case for Trump, arguing that, “What’s needed now in American politics is consternation, confusion, dissension, disorder, chaos—and crisis, with possible resolution—and a Trump presidency is the best chance for this true progress.” While acknowledging Trump as “fascistic,” Salon’s Walter Bragman urged his fellow lefties to at least acknowledge that “he would shake the current system to its core.” In March, actress Susan Sarandon explained to MSNBC’s Chris Hayes her hesitancy to support Hillary Clinton in the general election because “Some people feel that Donald Trump will bring the revolution immediately if he gets in.”

With their purposeful enablement of right-wing populist extremism over center-left incrementalism, America’s latter-day revolutionaries are behaving like Weimar-era German communists, who, on Joseph Stalin’s orders, attacked Social Democrats as “social fascists” rather than battle Nazi brown-shirts. Clearing the way for an actual fascist to take power would “heighten the contradictions of capitalism,” a dialectical Leninist concept holding that conditions must deteriorate drastically in order to wake the proletariat from its slumber.

Today in America, the stakes may not be as great as they were 80 years ago, but the political strategy is similarly irresponsible. Exultant in their moral narcissism, these lefties for Trump display no concern whatsoever for the consequences of their juvenile behavior. It shouldn’t surprise us that the vast majority of them are white and upper middle class, precisely the sort of people most insulated from the ravages of a potential Trump regime.

But it is the second group of progressive Trump fans, subtler in their sympathies, who warrant the most concern. These are the so-called anti-imperialists who harbor deep revulsion at the idea of American power being used for good in the world. America, they believe, is more often than not a source of evil and disorder—a jaundiced view of our global role that they share with the Republican nominee. Unlike the aforementioned wannabe revolutionaries, most of these progressives haven’t endorsed Trump. But they nonetheless embrace the radical departure in American foreign policy that his presidency promises.

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http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2016/08/15/beware-the-hillary-cl
inton-loathing-donald-trump-loving-useful-idiots-of-the-left.html

Remind you of anyone we know?

SECOND

Monday, November 7, 2016 10:30 PM

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Remind you of anyone we know?

You could send them direct messages inviting them to come here and comment. They could either deny or confirm the similarities between themselves and Left Loving Trumpists. Rightwing Trumpists makes sense. Leftwing Trumpists are hopelessly impractical. Tomorrow they may get a President Trump, but I don't think they will like him any better than the people voting in 2000 for Ralph Nader liked George Bush. If Trump was an eggroll he would be Bush in a Nader wrapper. Bite into the Trump eggroll and you will want to spit him out.

KPO

Monday, November 7, 2016 11:13 PM

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Tomorrow they may get a President Trump, but I don't think they will like him

They know what they're voting for. They know Trump's tax plan slashes taxes for the rich. They know Trump disowns climate science, wants to revive coal and end government support for renewable energy. They know he wants to carpet bomb the Middle East, bring back torture, "take out terrorists' families", etc, etc. They support Trump despite all of his grievous personal and policy faults, because they're giddy for a Putin-friendly foreign policy. And if evil-capitalist-America burns, they'll toast marshmallows.

"Objective truths are established by evidence. Personal truths by faith. Political truths by incessant repetition."

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KPO

Monday, November 7, 2016 11:49 PM

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Originally posted by G:
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Originally posted by kpo:
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PUTIN’S PAWNS

Beware the Hillary Clinton-Loathing, Donald Trump-Loving Useful Idiots of the Left

In this weirdest year, there may be no weirder phenomenon than the rise of the progressive Donald Trump supporter.

There exist two broad species of this political genus. First are the radical instrumentalists who see the Republican nominee as a noxious but necessary way station on the road to socialist revolution. Two months ago in this space, a writer named Christopher Ketcham made the “left-contrarian arsonist” case for Trump, arguing that, “What’s needed now in American politics is consternation, confusion, dissension, disorder, chaos—and crisis, with possible resolution—and a Trump presidency is the best chance for this true progress.” While acknowledging Trump as “fascistic,” Salon’s Walter Bragman urged his fellow lefties to at least acknowledge that “he would shake the current system to its core.” In March, actress Susan Sarandon explained to MSNBC’s Chris Hayes her hesitancy to support Hillary Clinton in the general election because “Some people feel that Donald Trump will bring the revolution immediately if he gets in.”

With their purposeful enablement of right-wing populist extremism over center-left incrementalism, America’s latter-day revolutionaries are behaving like Weimar-era German communists, who, on Joseph Stalin’s orders, attacked Social Democrats as “social fascists” rather than battle Nazi brown-shirts. Clearing the way for an actual fascist to take power would “heighten the contradictions of capitalism,” a dialectical Leninist concept holding that conditions must deteriorate drastically in order to wake the proletariat from its slumber.

Today in America, the stakes may not be as great as they were 80 years ago, but the political strategy is similarly irresponsible. Exultant in their moral narcissism, these lefties for Trump display no concern whatsoever for the consequences of their juvenile behavior. It shouldn’t surprise us that the vast majority of them are white and upper middle class, precisely the sort of people most insulated from the ravages of a potential Trump regime.

But it is the second group of progressive Trump fans, subtler in their sympathies, who warrant the most concern. These are the so-called anti-imperialists who harbor deep revulsion at the idea of American power being used for good in the world. America, they believe, is more often than not a source of evil and disorder—a jaundiced view of our global role that they share with the Republican nominee. Unlike the aforementioned wannabe revolutionaries, most of these progressives haven’t endorsed Trump. But they nonetheless embrace the radical departure in American foreign policy that his presidency promises.

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http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2016/08/15/beware-the-hillary-cl
inton-loathing-donald-trump-loving-useful-idiots-of-the-left.html

Remind you of anyone we know?

Oh Daaaaaamn!! Not only "remind me" of someone, but it is so exact it is frellin' uncanny! I'm even wondering if one of us wrote it! Get ready for the denial torpedoes to launch and slurs about your parents to arrive shortly.

Until then, this is just too... mwa! So Tasty:

"Exultant in their moral narcissism, these lefties for Trump display no concern whatsoever for the consequences of their juvenile behavior. It shouldn’t surprise us that the vast majority of them are white and upper middle class, precisely the sort of people most insulated from the ravages of a potential Trump regime."

Privileged, juvenile, Narcissistic, insulated, spoiled... to a "T." Thanks KPO! Gahahahahahaha... I'm going to be smiling all day.

The second best article I've read all year

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THGRRI

Monday, November 7, 2016 11:54 PM

In other words destroy this democracy?

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1KIKI

Tuesday, November 8, 2016 12:54 AM

Loathe Clinton - have NEVER loved Trump.

I guess that means I'm not your intended ~~targe~~ ... audience.

I TOLD YOU SO will be very sweet indeed, and repeated often.

RIVERLOVE

Tuesday, November 8, 2016 1:39 AM

In the 80's it was the Reagan Democrats that gave him his landslide victories.

Now 36 years later, this election between two hyper-polarizing and highly unpopular candidates has created a swirling vortex of supernatural forces.

Behold! :

The Clinton Republicans - consisting of desperate-to-keep-power establishment GOP politicians, William F. Buckley conservative purists, and ordinary traditional Republicans afraid of and/or repulsed by Trump.

Behold! :

The Trump Democrats - consisting of scorned and unwavering Bernie Sanders loyalists, disillusioned and unemployed workers, and ordinary traditional Democrats suffering from acute Clinton fatigue after decades of scandals.

As Lenny said to Guy in 'That Thing You Do' .. "How Did We Get Here?"

SECOND

Tuesday, November 8, 2016 2:39 AM

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Originally posted by Riverlove:

"How Did We Get Here?"

To recap:

1) Trump built his early political notoriety via “birtherism,” explicitly working to undermine the legitimacy of our elected President.

2) He has continually vilified immigrants and foreigners generally, promoting an us-against-them mentality between people of different races and ethnicities.

3) He has pledged to violate the Constitutional principle of freedom of religion, from banning Muslims from entering the country to tracking ones that are here.

4) His campaign, and the Republican party more generally, has openly engaged in suppressing the vote from groups unlikely to support him. (“‘We have three major voter suppression operations underway,’ says a senior [Trump] official.”) www.nytimes.com/2016/10/28/us/politics/donald-trump-campaign-voter-sup
pression.html?_r=0

5) He has glorified violence against protesters who disagree with him. www.weeklystandard.com/protester-would-be-carried-out-on-a-stretcher-i
n-the-old-days-trump-reminisces/article/2001211

6) He has lied at an unprecedented, astonishing rate, secure in the knowledge that his statements will be taken as true by a large fraction of his intended audience. www.thestar.com/news/world/uselection/2016/11/04/donald-trump-the-unau
thorized-database-of-false-things.html

7) He has presented himself as a uniquely powerful strongman who can solve problems through his personal force of will, and spoke admiringly of dictators from Vladimir Putin to Kim Jong-un to Saddam Hussein. www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/right-turn/wp/2016/07/21/trump-doubles-do
wn-fear-justifies-a-strongman/

8) He has vowed that if he wins the election, he will seek vengeance on those who opposed him, including throwing his opponent into prison. www.salon.com/2016/10/10/donald-trump-town-hall-debate-arrest-hillary-
clinton/

9) He has repeatedly cast doubt on the legitimacy of the election outcome, implying that he would refuse to accept the result if he lost.

10) He has pointed fingers at a shadowy global conspiracy in charge of world finance, often with explicitly anti-Semitic overtones. www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/anti-defamation-league-donald-trump_us_58
1f6a6ce4b0aac624850cbf

11) Several Republican politicians have broached the prospect of refusing to confirm any Supreme Court nominees from a Democratic President. https://thefederalist.com/2016/10/26/senate-refuse-confirm-hillary-cli
ntons-judicial-nominees/

12) A government agency, the FBI, has interfered in a Presidential election. www.theguardian.com/us-news/2016/oct/31/james-comey-fbi-hillary-clinto
n-hatch-act-election

13) Republicans have accused Democratic officeholders of being traitors. https://twitter.com/GarrettHaake/status/795471264756465671

14) A number of Trump supporters have spoken of the prospect of violent resistance if Clinton is elected. www.nytimes.com/2016/10/28/us/politics/donald-trump-voters.html

This is not a list of “why Donald Trump is a bad person who is disastrously unqualified for the Presidency”; that would be much longer. Rather, I wanted to highlight features of the campaign that are specifically attacks on (small-“d”) democratic norms and values. The assumptions, often unspoken, by which legitimate political opponents have generally agreed to operate by over the course of the last two centuries and more.

Democracy is a curious and fragile thing. It’s not just “majority rules”; crucial to the project are the ideas that (1) minority rights are still respected, and (2) in return, losing minorities respect electoral outcomes. It’s the second of these that is under siege at the moment. Since the time of the Federalist Papers, it’s been understood that democracy is an attempt to provide common self-rule for people who don’t agree on everything, but who at least share the common values of democracy itself. Having strong, even extremely passionate, political disagreements is inevitable in a democratic system. Th

SIGNYM

Tuesday, November 8, 2016 4:11 PM

Oh look, it's the junior high bully gang (except RIVER) claiming moral superiority!

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These are the so-called anti-imperialists who harbor deep revulsion at the idea of American power being used for good in the world. America, they believe, is more often than not a source of evil and disorder—a jaundiced view of our global role that they share with the Republican nominee. Unlike the aforementioned wannabe revolutionaries, most of these progressives haven’t endorsed Trump. But they nonetheless embrace the radical departure in American foreign policy that his presidency promises.

Do any of you really believe that American power is really used "for good"?

If so, do you supposed that you can provide me with a half-dozen examples over the past 30 years or so?

And if you can't, what is the source of your belief?

Hillary is a WAR CANDIDATE, and that's just what we need, right? More war?

G, THUGR, MAL4: Oh BTW, please define intelligence.
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SIGNYM

Tuesday, November 8, 2016 4:28 PM

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in return, losing minorities respect electoral outcomes.

Would you respect a fraudulent election? Should anyone?

We (the USA State Department and its liberaloid-neocon drones) spend a great deal of time whining and kvetching about unfair elections abroad, but never look at home. And yet statistics - such as the discrepancy between exit polls and final tally, or between final tally outcome with audit trail versus final tally result without one, indicate significant election fraud by BOTH parties.

If we want to clean up the vote COUNTING, we should go to provable, auditable, unhackable technologies - such as hand-marked and hand-counted ballots.... not voting machines that are not only demonstrably open to hacking, but are also unauditable and which don't even record the actual vote tally, only a percentage.

I REVIEW DATA FOR A LIVING. I always have to think about how it was generated, whether there is a clear, demonstrable line from the standards and instruments, from the sample chain of custody to the final report. I have to look for errors that most people haven't even THOUGHT OF, and novel ways to inspect the data. We are always being challenged by companies which have good data on their side too. Ultimately, if our data and theirs disagree, we have to figure out who was wrong and why.

That's what we do for individual samples. I see no such care being taken with something even more important, which is the vote. NOBODY could testify in court that the way the vote conducted was fair, although the various State Secretaries should all be put on the witness stand and grilled, with real consequences facing them for not doing their job.

I can't imagine how it could be left so scrambled, except on purpose.

It would behoove you all to think about what a provably fair election would look like, investigate what we have, and then wonder why WE don't have something better.

Hillary is a WAR CANDIDATE, and that's just what we need, right? More war?

G, THUGR, MAL4: Oh BTW, please define intelligence.
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SIGNYM

Tuesday, November 8, 2016 8:03 PM

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So, confirmation. Good call KPO. Brave of you to finally confess, Signym - that had to be tough after years of denial.

Wow, that was lame, GSTRING.

Not even ONE example of where The Imperial Military was used "for good"?

Hillary is a WAR CANDIDATE, and that's just what we need, right? More war?

G, THUGR, MAL4: Oh BTW, please define intelligence.
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SIGNYM

Tuesday, November 8, 2016 8:30 PM

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an America hating "Patriot."

I love America. Which is why I don't love being an Imperial Power. It has twisted and corrupted us (i.e. "you") into not even seeing what's right in front of you face.

America was not founded to be an Empire (And if you weren't Canadian and had read something of the FF you'd know that). Despite what THUGR seems to believe, it was not founded to be capitalist ... nothing about that in the Constitution either, I guarantee it! And despite what SECOND and THUGR think, corruption is not the American way either. Neither are "open borders".

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Do you suppose that you can provide me with a half-dozen examples over the past 30 years or so? -SIGNY

And no, it is NOT a "loaded question". Apparently you don't know what a "loaded question" is. HERE is a loaded question: Why did the United States destroy six nations in the past 30 years?

Or, to phrase it the way YOU did Was Obama the butcher of the Mideast? Or was that Hillary?

I simply asked for a half-dozen examples of where our Imperial Military was used "for good" in the past 30 years. The fact that you can't come up with one example [but resort to endless snark] speaks for itself. But maybe your friends here will throw you a lifeline.

Hillary is a WAR CANDIDATE, and that's just what we need, right? More war?

G, THUGR, MAL4: Oh BTW, please define intelligence.
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SIGNYM

Tuesday, November 8, 2016 8:50 PM

I think this would be a good place to ask the questions that Ive asked probably a dozen times by now, but which nobody has yet had the balls to answer:

WHAT ARE AMERICA'S INTERESTS? and
HOW DOES RUSSIA THREATEN THEM?

Those are not "loaded questions". The fact that none of you so-called "patriots" can seem to engage in those questions seems to indicate that you can't even engage in the definition of "America". It's like "America" has no meaning for you: you're so busy worrying about poor immigrants from elsewhere (who are escaping the clusterfucks that we created) and the rights of the poor freedom-loving Syrians/Libyans/Iraqis/Ukies/Afghanis/fillintheblanks everywhere, the poor queers, the poor women, the poor peopleofcolor, the poor precious and special millenial snowflakes who are micro-offended over micro-invalidations that it's impossible [for you] to even imagine an identity that covers every American citizen without excluding anyone.

So let's try that again

WHAT ARE AMERICA'S INTERESTS? and
HOW DOES RUSSIA THREATEN THEM?

Hillary is a WAR CANDIDATE, and that's just what we need, right? More war?

G, THUGR, MAL4: Oh BTW, please define intelligence.
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THGRRI

Tuesday, November 8, 2016 9:12 PM

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Originally posted by SIGNYM:
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So, confirmation. Good call KPO. Brave of you to finally confess, Signym - that had to be tough after years of denial.
Wow, that was lame, GSTRING.

Not even ONE example of where The Imperial Military was used "for good"?

Don't look now SIG but your ignorance is showing again. If you weren't a Russian Troll you would understand it was the American Military, that kept Russia in check and led to the collapse of the Soviet Union. That restored sovereignty to many enslaved ( annexed ) countries. It also helped keep the Germans from, if not conquering the world, conquering and keeping Europe ( WW1 and WW2 ). That's just a couple. It stopped the genocide of Muslims in Serbia, Bosnian to add another.

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SIGNYM

Tuesday, November 8, 2016 9:29 PM

I said ... in the past 30 years. That excludes WWII.
So, these nations which have been "freed", how are they doing?

ALSO, WHAT ARE AMERICA'S INTERESTS? and
HOW DOES RUSSIA THREATEN THEM?

Hillary is a WAR CANDIDATE, and that's just what we need, right? More war?

G, THUGR, MAL4: Oh BTW, please define intelligence.
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THGRRI

Tuesday, November 8, 2016 10:11 PM

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Originally posted by SIGNYM:
I said ... in the past 30 years. That excludes WWII.
So, these nations which have been "freed", how are they doing?

ALSO, WHAT ARE AMERICA'S INTERESTS? and
HOW DOES RUSSIA THREATEN THEM?

It's past and present that make up the facts SIG. Not your warping of the truth, attempted elimination or narrowing of the research material available, lack of understanding of the complexities of the world, or populist type thinking that gets to the truth.

No SIG, if you wish to talk about the contributions that America and it's military parous has brought to the world, you need to look at it in it's totality.

Or ask Russia's neighbors if they're grateful for America's military.
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SIGNYM

Tuesday, November 8, 2016 10:27 PM

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I said ... in the past 30 years. That excludes WWII.
So, these nations which have been "freed", how are they doing?
ALSO, WHAT ARE AMERICA'S INTERESTS? and
HOW DOES RUSSIA THREATEN THEM? - SIGNY

It's past and present that make up the facts SIG. Not your warping of the truth, attempted elimination or narrowing of the research material available, lack of understanding of the complexities of the world, or populist type thinking that gets to the truth.
No SIG, if you wish to talk about the contributions that America and it's military parous [???] has brought to the world, you need to look at it in it's totality.
Or ask Russia's neighbors if they're grateful for America's military. - STOOPID

If we're going to look at the "totality" of America's military, shall we include the genocide of native Americans? Or the constant "interventions" and invasions of our neighbors south of the border in support of landowners, banks, and transnationals? Or how about our support of mideast tyrants like the House of Saud and Shah Reza Palavi? Our decimation of Vietnam? I mean, if you're committed to the "totality" of our military history, let's go the distance, man, 'cause I guarantee you it's not going to be a result that you like.

In the meantime, while you're mulling over exactly what to include in our glorious and benevolent military history, have you figured out yet

WHAT ARE AMERICA'S INTERESTS? and
HOW DOES RUSSIA THREATEN THEM?

Hillary is a WAR CANDIDATE, and that's just what we need, right? More war?

G, THUGR, MAL4: Oh BTW, please define intelligence.
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THGRRI

Tuesday, November 8, 2016 10:32 PM

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Originally posted by SIGNYM:
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I said ... in the past 30 years. That excludes WWII.
So, these nations which have been "freed", how are they doing?
ALSO, WHAT ARE AMERICA'S INTERESTS? and
HOW DOES RUSSIA THREATEN THEM? - SIGNY

It's past and present that make up the facts SIG. Not your warping of the truth, attempted elimination or narrowing of the research material available, lack of understanding of the complexities of the world, or populist type thinking that gets to the truth.
No SIG, if you wish to talk about the contributions that America and it's military parous [???] has brought to the world, you need to look at it in it's totality.
Or ask Russia's neighbors if they're grateful for America's military. - STOOPID

If we're going to look at the "totality" of America's military, shall we include the genocide of native Americans? Or the constant "interventions" and invasions of our neighbors south of the border in support of landowners, banks, and transnationals? Or how about our support of mideast tyrants like the House of Saud and Shah Reza Palavi? Our decimation of Vietnam?

I mean, if you're committed to the "totality" of our military history, let's go the distance, man, 'cause I guarantee you it's not going to be a result that you like.

All History good and bad. The result is that America remains a shining beacon and best hope to the rest of the world.

I would add a puny little shit like you can do her no harm.
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SIGNYM

Tuesday, November 8, 2016 10:51 PM

SOUTH DAKOTA 1890 (-?) Troops Lakota Indians massacred at Wounded Knee.
ARGENTINA 1890 Troops Buenos Aires interests protected.
CHILE 1891 Troops Marines clash with nationalist rebels.
HAITI 1891 Troops Black revolt on Navassa defeated.
IDAHO 1892 Troops Army suppresses silver miners' strike.
HAWAII 1893 (to -?) Naval, troops Independent kingdom overthrown, annexed.
CHICAGO 1894 Troops Breaking of rail strike, 34 killed.
NICARAGUA 1894 Troops Month-long occupation of Bluefields.
CHINA 1894-95 Naval, troops Marines land in Sino-Japanese War
KOREA 1894-96 Troops Marines kept in Seoul during war.
PANAMA 1895 Troops, naval Marines land in Colombian province.
NICARAGUA 1896 Troops Marines land in port of Corinto.
CHINA 1898-1900 Troops Boxer Rebellion fought by foreign armies.
PHILIPPINES 1898-1910 (-?) Naval, troops Seized from Spain, killed 600,000 Filipinos
CUBA 1898-1902 (-?) Naval, troops Seized from Spain, still hold Navy base.
PUERTO RICO 1898 (-?) Naval, troops Seized from Spain, occupation continues.
GUAM 1898 (-?) Naval, troops Seized from Spain, still use as base.
MINNESOTA 1898 (-?) Troops Army battles Chippewa at Leech Lake.
NICARAGUA 1898 Troops Marines land at port of San Juan del Sur.
SAMOA 1899 (-?) Troops Battle over succession to throne.
NICARAGUA 1899 Troops Marines land at port of Bluefields.
IDAHO 1899-1901 Troops Army occupies Coeur d'Alene mining region.
OKLAHOMA 1901 Troops Army battles Creek Indian revolt.
PANAMA 1901-14 Naval, troops Broke off from Colombia 1903, annexed Canal Zone; Opened canal 1914.
HONDURAS 1903 Troops Marines intervene in revolution.
DOMINICAN REPUBLIC 1903-04 Troops U.S. interests protected in Revolution.
KOREA 1904-05 Troops Marines land in Russo-Japanese War.
CUBA 1906-09 Troops Marines land in democratic election.
NICARAGUA 1907 Troops "Dollar Diplomacy" protectorate set up.
HONDURAS 1907 Troops Marines land during war with Nicaragua
PANAMA 1908 Troops Marines intervene in election contest.
NICARAGUA 1910 Troops Marines land in Bluefields and Corinto.
HONDURAS 1911 Troops U.S. interests protected in civil war.
CHINA 1911-41 Naval, troops Continuous occupation with flare-ups.
CUBA 1912 Troops U.S. interests protected in civil war.
PANAMA 1912 Troops Marines land during heated election.
HONDURAS 1912 Troops Marines protect U.S. economic interests.
NICARAGUA 1912-33 Troops, bombing 10-year occupation, fought guerillas
MEXICO 1913 Naval Americans evacuated during revolution.
DOMINICAN REPUBLIC 1914 Naval Fight with rebels over Santo Domingo.
COLORADO 1914 Troops Breaking of miners' strike by Army.
MEXICO 1914-18 Naval, troops Series of interventions against nationalists.
HAITI 1914-34 Troops, bombing 19-year occupation after revolts.
TEXAS 1915 Troops Federal soldiers crush "Plan of San Diego" Mexican-American rebellion
DOMINICAN REPUBLIC 1916-24 Troops 8-year Marine occupation.
CUBA 1917-33 Troops Military occupation, economic protectorate.
WORLD WAR I 1917-18 Naval, troops Ships sunk, fought Germany for 1 1/2 years.
RUSSIA 1918-22 Naval, troops Five landings to fight Bolsheviks
PANAMA 1918-20 Troops "Police duty" during unrest after elections.
HONDURAS 1919 Troops Marines land during election campaign.
YUGOSLAVIA 1919 Troops/Marines intervene for Italy against Serbs in Dalmatia.
GUATEMALA 1920 Troops 2-week intervention against unionists.
WEST VIRGINIA 1920-21 Troops, bombing Army intervenes against mineworkers.
TURKEY 1922 Troops Fought nationalists in Smyrna.
CHINA 1922-27 Naval, troops Deployment during nationalist revolt.
PANAMA 1925 Troops Marines suppress general strike.
CHINA 1927-34 Troops Marines stationed throughout the country.
EL SALVADOR 1932 Naval Warships send during Marti revolt.
WASHINGTON DC 1932 Troops Army stops WWI vet bonus protest.
WORLD WAR II 1941-45 Naval, troops, bombing, nuclear Hawaii bombed

THGRRI

Tuesday, November 8, 2016 11:02 PM

That's a list of what SIG? Your claim is that they are all examples of what? Printing a list like that with none of it put into context is just subjective bullshit. We call you on this all the time but you never learn. And all you do is confirm my accretion that you despise America and Americans.

Well, to bad comrade

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SIGNYM

Tuesday, November 8, 2016 11:03 PM

So in addition to discussing the benefits and costs (to the foreign nations) of each individual USA Imperial Military Intervention throughout history and around the world, maybe you should start with something simple:

WHAT ARE AMERICA'S INTERESTS?

Why did we intervene in all of those foreign nations?

Hillary is a WAR CANDIDATE, and that's just what we need, right? More war?

G, THUGR, MAL4: Oh BTW, please define intelligence.
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THGRRI

Tuesday, November 8, 2016 11:05 PM

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So in addition to discussing the benefits and costs (to the foreign nations) of each individual USA Imperial Military Intervention throughout history and around to world, maybe you should start with something simple:

WHAT ARE AMERICA'S INTERESTS?

Why did we intervene in all of those foreign nations?

AGAIN, printing a list like that with none of it put into context is just subjective bullshit. We call you on this all the time but you never learn. And all you do is confirm my accretion that you despise America and Americans.

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Tuesday, November 8, 2016 11:15 PM

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So in addition to discussing the benefits and costs (to the foreign nations) of each individual USA Imperial Military Intervention throughout history and around to world, maybe you should start with something simple:
WHAT ARE AMERICA'S INTERESTS?
Why did we intervene in all of those foreign nations? - SIGNY

AGAIN

Again?

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printing a list like that with none of it put into context is just subjective bullshit. We call you on this all the time but you never learn. And all you do is confirm my accretion

Accretion?

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that you despise America and Americans.

Well, I invite you to provide the appropriate context! That was the part that went "Discuss!"

Hillary is a WAR CANDIDATE, and that's just what we need, right? More war?

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Tuesday, November 8, 2016 11:18 PM

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Originally posted by SIGNYM:

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that you despise America and Americans.
well, I invited you to provide the appropriate context!

Here's a thought. You make a post, you put it into context. What an ass...I have no intention of getting sucked into your subjective stupidity.

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Tuesday, November 8, 2016 11:21 PM

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Here's a thought. You make a post, you put it into context. What an ass...I have no intention of getting sucked into your subjective stupidity.= STOOPID

Here's a thought: YOU were the one who said we should consider the effect or our military interventions in its "totality". I provided a historically-verifiable list of those interventions, which (BTW) doesn't even count the CIA's activities.
So, shall we start considering that list?

Hillary is a WAR CANDIDATE, and that's just what we need, right? More war?

G, THUGR, MAL4: Oh BTW, please define intelligence.
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Tuesday, November 8, 2016 11:33 PM

Just in case that list of USA Imperial Military "interventions" gets lost in the shuffle, and for the consideration of globalist neocon liberaloids, here it is again:

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SOUTH DAKOTA 1890 (-?) Troops Lakota Indians massacred at Wounded Knee.
ARGENTINA 1890 Troops Buenos Aires interests protected.
CHILE 1891 Troops Marines clash with nationalist rebels.
HAITI 1891 Troops Black revolt on Navassa defeated.
IDAHO 1892 Troops Army suppresses silver miners' strike.
HAWAII 1893 (to -?) Naval, troops Independent kingdom overthrown, annexed.
CHICAGO 1894 Troops Breaking of rail strike, 34 killed.
NICARAGUA 1894 Troops Month-long occupation of Bluefields.
CHINA 1894-95 Naval, troops Marines land in Sino-Japanese War
KOREA 1894-96 Troops Marines kept in Seoul during war.
PANAMA 1895 Troops, naval Marines land in Colombian province.
NICARAGUA 1896 Troops Marines land in port of Corinto.
CHINA 1898-1900 Troops Boxer Rebellion fought by foreign armies.
PHILIPPINES 1898-1910 (-?) Naval, troops Seized from Spain, killed 600,000 Filipinos
CUBA 1898-1902 (-?) Naval, troops Seized from Spain, still hold Navy base.
PUERTO RICO 1898 (-?) Naval, troops Seized from Spain, occupation continues.
GUAM 1898 (-?) Naval, troops Seized from Spain, still use as base.
MINNESOTA 1898 (-?) Troops Army battles Chippewa at Leech Lake.
NICARAGUA 1898 Troops Marines land at port of San Juan del Sur.
SAMOA 1899 (-?) Troops Battle over succession to throne.
NICARAGUA 1899 Troops Marines land at port of Bluefields.
IDAHO 1899-1901 Troops Army occupies Coeur d'Alene mining region.
OKLAHOMA 1901 Troops Army battles Creek Indian revolt.
PANAMA 1901-14 Naval, troops Broke off from Colombia 1903, annexed Canal Zone; Opened canal 1914.
HONDURAS 1903 Troops Marines intervene in revolution.
DOMINICAN REPUBLIC 1903-04 Troops U.S. interests protected in Revolution.
KOREA 1904-05 Troops Marines land in Russo-Japanese War.
CUBA 1906-09 Troops Marines land in democratic election.
NICARAGUA 1907 Troops "Dollar Diplomacy" protectorate set up.
HONDURAS 1907 Troops Marines land during war with Nicaragua
PANAMA 1908 Troops Marines intervene in election contest.
NICARAGUA 1910 Troops Marines land in Bluefields and Corinto.
HONDURAS 1911 Troops U.S. interests protected in civil war.
CHINA 1911-41 Naval, troops Continuous occupation with flare-ups.
CUBA 1912 Troops U.S. interests protected in civil war.
PANAMA 1912 Troops Marines land during heated election.
HONDURAS 1912 Troops Marines protect U.S. economic interests.
NICARAGUA 1912-33 Troops, bombing 10-year occupation, fought guerillas
MEXICO 1913 Naval Americans evacuated during revolution.
DOMINICAN REPUBLIC 1914 Naval Fight with rebels over Santo Domingo.
COLORADO 1914 Troops Breaking of miners' strike by Army.
MEXICO 1914-18 Naval, troops Series of interventions against nationalists.
HAITI 1914-34 Troops, bombing 19-year occupation after revolts.
TEXAS 1915 Troops Federal soldiers crush "Plan of San Diego" Mexican-American rebellion
DOMINICAN REPUBLIC 1916-24 Troops 8-year Marine occupation.
CUBA 1917-33 Troops Military occupation, economic protectorate.
WORLD WAR I 1917-18 Naval, troops Ships sunk, fought Germany for 1 1/2 years.
RUSSIA 1918-22 Naval, troops Five landings to fight Bolsheviks
PANAMA 1918-20 Troops "Police duty" during unrest after elections.
HONDURAS 1919 Troops Marines land during election campaign.
YUGOSLAVIA 1919 Troops/Marines intervene for Italy against Serbs in Dalmatia.
GUATEMALA 1920 Troops 2-week intervention against unionists.
WEST VIRGINIA 1920-21 Troops, bombing Army intervenes against mineworkers.
TURKEY 1922 Troops Fought nationalists in Smyrna.
CHINA 1922-27 Naval, troops Deployment during nationalist revolt.
PANAMA 1925 Troops Marines suppress general strike.
CHINA 1927-34 Troops Marines stationed

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Tuesday, November 8, 2016 11:37 PM

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Originally posted by SIGNYM:
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Here's a thought. You make a post, you put it into context. What an ass...I have no intention of getting sucked into your subjective stupidity.= STOOPID

Here's a thought: YOU were the one who said we should consider the effect or our military interventions in its "totality". I provided a historically-verifiable list of those interventions, which (BTW) doesn't even count the CIA's activities.
So, shall we start considering that list?

You're like a dog chasing its tail. You are always like a dog chasing it's tail. Which I would remind you is attached to the dogs ass. And probably why you, always have your head up your ass.

Go for it.

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Tuesday, November 8, 2016 11:49 PM

Well then, you clearly can't support the USA imperial military's benevolence. You and the rest of your liberaloid-neocon friends are, like I said, cowards and moral vacuums. Everything you believe is just so much vaporware, like a nasty fart.

Hillary is a WAR CANDIDATE, and that's just what we need, right? More war?

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Tuesday, November 8, 2016 11:58 PM

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Originally posted by SIGNYM:
Well then, you clearly can't support the USA imperial military's benevolence. You and the rest of your liberaloid-neocon friends are, like I said, cowards and moral vacuums. Everything you believe is just so much vaporware, like a nasty fart.

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SIGNYM

Wednesday, November 9, 2016 12:59 AM

THUGR- juggling turds

Hillary is a WAR CANDIDATE, and that's just what we need, right? More war?

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Wednesday, November 9, 2016 1:37 AM

Those are Hershey Kisses SIG.

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SIGNYM

Wednesday, November 9, 2016 1:50 AM

THUGR: juggling turds

-SIGNY

Those are Hershey Kisses SIG.-STOOPID

REALLY????
And yellow snow tastes like lemonade!

Hillary is a WAR CANDIDATE, and that's just what we need, right? More war?

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Wednesday, November 9, 2016 2:26 AM

Still chasing your tail SIG.

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