Act of terror
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UPDATED: Sunday, August 23, 2026 19:39
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Islamic State claims responsibility for Orlando nightclub shooting (Reuters)
http://www.reuters.com/article/us-florida-shooting-claim-idUSKCN0YY0VU
Now we wait for evidence to see what's really going on. Because the Tsarnaev brothers, and the married couple Syed Rizwan Farook and Tashfeen Malik were initially claimed to be foreign terrorists. Instead, they were all SELF-RADICALIZED and didn't have active connections to terrorist organizations. It's possible the same is true here. In which case it's just about another US home-grown nutcase able to get weapons in the US to act out his nuttery.
Let me just point out that the author left out vital relevant facts in the opinion piece. Doing that is known as cherry-picking. And whether you do that in the news, in discussion, in debate or in opinion, when you distort the facts, you've changed the nature of your communication into propaganda. But WE don't have any of THAT in the US, do we?!
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Originally posted by 1kiki:
Islamic State claims responsibility for Orlando nightclub shooting (Reuters)
http://www.reuters.com/article/us-florida-shooting-claim-idUSKCN0YY0VU
Now we wait for evidence to see what's really going on. Because the Tsarnaev brothers, and the married couple Syed Rizwan Farook and Tashfeen Malik were initially claimed to be foreign terrorists. Instead, they were all SELF-RADICALIZED and didn't have active connections to terrorist organizations. It's possible the same is true here. In which case it's just about another US home-grown nutcase able to get weapons in the US to act out his nuttery.
Let me just point out that the author left out vital relevant facts in the opinion piece. Doing that is known as cherry-picking. And whether you do that in the news, in discussion, in debate or in opinion, when you distort the facts, you've changed the nature of your communication into propaganda. But WE don't have any of THAT in the US, do we?!
The Tsarnaev brothers made bombs out of pressure cookers, they don't need guns.
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Just another peaceful Muslim celebrating Ramadan.
Classic
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"The Tsarnaev brothers made bombs out of pressure cookers, they don't need guns."
And that distinguishes them from nutcase Timothy McVeigh - how?
My point is that whether or not this was an act of foreign radical Islam awaits more complete information. And that the US has a long history of homegrown nutcases with no connection to foreign terrorism, who have a grotch - against blacks (Dylann Roof), Sikhs (Michael Page Wade), Democrats (Jared Lee Loughner), women (Elliot Rodge, George Hennard), and so on - or who are just plain crazy (James Holmes) - who get a weapon, USUALLY A GUN, and exercise their angry focus.
But it does beg the question, if the NRA's position is that guns don't kill people, people kill people, (and usually with guns), what plan does it have to solve the problem of mentally unstable people getting guns? Does it even HAVE a plan to address what IT claims is the problem?
Let me just point out that the author left out vital relevant facts in the opinion piece. Doing that is known as cherry-picking. And whether you do that in the news, in discussion, in debate or in opinion, when you distort the facts, you've changed the nature of your communication into propaganda. But WE don't have any of THAT in the US, do we?!
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The "This isn't about religion" line is ALWAYS going to be used to prevent retaliation from those still on the fence.
Yeah, it's still about religion, no matter what they say...
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Senate Republicans voted against a bill that would have prevented the Orlando shootings.
Early June 12, a mass murderer opened fire on people at a gay nightclub in Orlando, FL killing 50 and injuring over 50 more. But what if the Orlando shootings never happened? Or better yet, what if you had the chance to prevent it?
That may sound like wishful thinking from a time traveler’s fantasy, but our callous and craven Senate Republicans had a chance to stop the Orlando shootings back in December with not one, but three gun bills.
That’s right. After the tragic mass shooting in Santa Barbara CA, Senate Republicans voted down three gun bills.
According to CBS News, these three gun bills failed along sadly predictable party lines.
By a vote of 52 to 47, the Senate rejected a proposal to strengthen treatment for mental illness and substance abuse disorders.
Lawmakers voted 50 to 48 to reject a bill that would have expanded background checks for guns purchased online or at gun shows.
Additionally, they voted 45 to 54 against a bill that would have stopped people on the terror watch list from purchasing guns.
The third bill. in particular would have prevented the Orlando shooter from buying any guns because his avid following of pro-ISIS social media landed him on the terrorist watch list.
NBC News reports the suspect for the Orlando shooting is Omar Mateen, a 29-year-old US citizen whose parents came here from Afghanistan. Although he has no criminal history, the FBI has considered him a “person of interest” for the past five years because he is suspected of being an ISIS sympathizer.
As it turns out, just nine of these Senate Republicans alone have received a whopping total of over $22 million from the NRA, mostly through indirect campaign contributions.
Mitch McConnell (R-KY): $1,262,189
Roy Blunt (R-MO): $1,433,952
Pat Roberts (R-KS): $1,584,153
Tom Cotton (R-AR): $1,968,714
David Perdue (R-GA): $1,997,512
Bill Cassidy (R-LA): $2,867,074
Joni Ernst (R-IA): $3,124,773
Cory Gardner (R-CO): $3,939,199
Thom Tillis (R-NC): $4,418,833
This is disgracefully cruel and outrageous, given that an overwhelming majority of anywhere between 86 percent and 92 percent of Americans want stricter gun laws, depending on the poll and the time frame. A poll from 2013 revealed that even 74 percent of NRA members at least want universal background checks.
MSNBC adds that Dianne Feinstein angrily denounced House and Senate Republicans and their ties to the NRA lobby after last December’s votes.
“If you need proof that Congress is a hostage to the gun lobby, look no further than today’s vote blocking a bill to prevent known or suspected terrorists from buying guns and explosives. Congress has been paralyzed by the gun lobby for years, while more and more Americans are killed in mass shootings. The carnage won’t stop until Congress finds the courage to stand up to the gun lobby and protect the nation.”
And yes, many of these Senate Republicans who voted down the gun bills that could have prevented the Orlando shootings are the same ones who rejected expanded background checks in 2013, just months after the Newtown massacre.
Watch: TYT’s Cenk Uygur shows Senate Republicans arguing for selling guns to people on the terrorist watch list (while still banning them from flying on planes). http://samuel-warde.com/2016/06/senate-republicans-orlando-shooting/
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Originally posted by Wishimay:
The "This isn't about religion" line is ALWAYS going to be used to prevent retaliation from those still on the fence.
Yeah, it's still about religion, no matter what they say...
So the Klan represents all Christians, eh? How about Westboro Baptist? Are they typical of the Christian belief system?
Dude was a fucking American, born and raised here. A bigot, an asshole, a homophobe - a textbook Trump supporter, in other words. What he did is exactly what many in the GOP have called for explicitly, including Ted Cruz and Mike Huckabee, who appear at gatherings with these exact kind of assholes.
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It looks like the ISIS/ terrorism theory is being dialed back into either 'self-radicalized' or 'just another nut with a gun' territory. Gun insanity might be insanity, but by God! it's OUR exceptionalist God-given insanity!
Nothing to see here.
Move along.
Let me just point out that the author left out vital relevant facts in the opinion piece. Doing that is known as cherry-picking. And whether you do that in the news, in discussion, in debate or in opinion, when you distort the facts, you've changed the nature of your communication into propaganda. But WE don't have any of THAT in the US, do we?!
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Originally posted by reaverfan:
Senate Republicans voted against a bill that would have prevented the Orlando shootings.
Early June 12, a mass murderer opened fire on people at a gay nightclub in Orlando, FL killing 50 and injuring over 50 more. But what if the Orlando shootings never happened? Or better yet, what if you had the chance to prevent it?
That may sound like wishful thinking from a time traveler’s fantasy, but our callous and craven Senate Republicans had a chance to stop the Orlando shootings back in December with not one, but three gun bills.
That’s right. After the tragic mass shooting in Santa Barbara CA, Senate Republicans voted down three gun bills.
According to CBS News, these three gun bills failed along sadly predictable party lines.
By a vote of 52 to 47, the Senate rejected a proposal to strengthen treatment for mental illness and substance abuse disorders.
Lawmakers voted 50 to 48 to reject a bill that would have expanded background checks for guns purchased online or at gun shows.
Additionally, they voted 45 to 54 against a bill that would have stopped people on the terror watch list from purchasing guns.
The third bill. in particular would have prevented the Orlando shooter from buying any guns because his avid following of pro-ISIS social media landed him on the terrorist watch list.
NBC News reports the suspect for the Orlando shooting is Omar Mateen, a 29-year-old US citizen whose parents came here from Afghanistan. Although he has no criminal history, the FBI has considered him a “person of interest” for the past five years because he is suspected of being an ISIS sympathizer.
As it turns out, just nine of these Senate Republicans alone have received a whopping total of over $22 million from the NRA, mostly through indirect campaign contributions.
Mitch McConnell (R-KY): $1,262,189
Roy Blunt (R-MO): $1,433,952
Pat Roberts (R-KS): $1,584,153
Tom Cotton (R-AR): $1,968,714
David Perdue (R-GA): $1,997,512
Bill Cassidy (R-LA): $2,867,074
Joni Ernst (R-IA): $3,124,773
Cory Gardner (R-CO): $3,939,199
Thom Tillis (R-NC): $4,418,833
This is disgracefully cruel and outrageous, given that an overwhelming majority of anywhere between 86 percent and 92 percent of Americans want stricter gun laws, depending on the poll and the time frame. A poll from 2013 revealed that even 74 percent of NRA members at least want universal background checks.
MSNBC adds that Dianne Feinstein angrily denounced House and Senate Republicans and their ties to the NRA lobby after last December’s votes.
“If you need proof that Congress is a hostage to the gun lobby, look no further than today’s vote blocking a bill to prevent known or suspected terrorists from buying guns and explosives. Congress has been paralyzed by the gun lobby for years, while more and more Americans are killed in mass shootings. The carnage won’t stop until Congress finds the courage to stand up to the gun lobby and protect the nation.”
And yes, many of these Senate Republicans who voted down the gun bills that could have prevented the Orlando shootings are the same ones who rejected expanded background checks in 2013, just months after the Newtown massacre.
Watch: TYT’s Cenk Uygur shows Senate Republicans arguing for selling guns to people on the terrorist watch list (while still banning them from flying on planes). http://samuel-warde.com/2016/06/senate-republicans-orlando-shooting/
He passed a back ground check, blame the feds.
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