Terminator Genysis starts today, Tuezday!

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Wednesday, July 8, 2015 5:05 PM

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Originally posted by JEWELSTAITEFAN:
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Originally posted by JO753:
Funny! Like it woud be eazier that way!

Easier to copy and re-use film from the original? Yes.
Easier to remaster or digitize film images from the original rather than create new images? Obviously, yes.
Their claim to have NOT done it is hogwash.

Terminator 5 could have been good without Schwarzenegger. The movie makers squandered too much time and money creating a young Arnold to fight old Arnold.

An example of good filmmaking without old actors is Mad Max: Fury Road. Would that movie be better with a computer generated young Mel Gibson as Max? No, because it had a story that only needs character Max, not necessarily actor Gibson to play Max.

Even in the most chaotic fights and collisions, everything makes sense in Mad Max. Not true in Terminator 5. This is not a matter of realism — come on, now — but of imaginative discipline. Mad Max demonstrates that great action filmmaking is not only a matter of Computer Graphics but of ethics as well. There is cause and effect; there are choices and consequences. This clip with commentary from Mad Max shows how that is done. There is nothing sensible like it in Terminator 5.

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Khaleesi was in Terminator 5. And we know Kaylee.

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly

JEWELSTAITEFAN

Thursday, July 9, 2015 4:10 AM

Did any of you stay to watch the coda?

I did notice our spelling has been wrong, it is Genisys.

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Originally posted by JO753:
Soooo.....When they tranzition from reuzed footaj to new stuff, nobody woud notis?

That was the idea, which is what most franchise films try to do to maintain continuity. Think Back to the Futures.

However, turns out I was mostly wrong.
I had just watched Terminator, following the thread about actors portraying John Connor.
I was struck by the apparent duplication in the close-up head swivel in slo-mo when Arnold first stands up - as the first clear shot, this is always the most important to solidify the viewer's acceptance of the CGI continuity and they knew it and did it well. The part that had nagged at me but I ignored was the detail, the lack of sweat on Arnold's face during this closeup. The 1984 view shows the perspiration clearly (at least on my bluray disc version) and the 2015 shot has that fake-ish patina common to films which have been remastered for 3D compatibility. The worst one I saw was Beowulf with Hopkins and Jolie, and this shot barely has that fake-like patina, but the missing perspiration shows it is not a pixel-for-pixel copy. It is up to the individual whether the difference between CGI'd copy of the original onto the newly shot stand-in actor is a real difference or whether it is "new" or "re-used". In the new shot, the camera angle is different comparing the foregraound and background. The backdrop directly behind his head in 1984 is the almost level forks of the garbage truck at about ear level, and in 2015 those forks are much lower. But the hair and face minus sweat are duplicates.
The shot prior, with the driver running away and lightning ball, the camera angle was also different, the 1984 camera position being more right, and 2015 being more to the left. Arnold's Latissimus has different development and contour from 1984 to 2015 stand-in.
The shot with Arnold walking away from the Griffiths Observatory was where, in 1984, Arnold's frontal nudity was apparent, and the camera angle was from a camera position more to the left. For 2015 the camera is more to the right, with the Terminator more directly approaching the camera (in 1984 the new concept of the Terminator might have been much more frightening if directly approaching the audience, and now we can handle it), and the lighting is more to his back instead of side, keeping all frontal nudity in complete shadow, even though the frame bottom is below his feet. I do wonder if there have been any renovations, or street changes to the front of the Griffiths Observatory, assuming they didn't use a set.
The next shot is with the punks, and in 1984 Arnold's hair is different at the part. In 2015 the hair remains the same as it was in the opening slow head pivot shot. Also, the cut from the back-right of Terminator shows the less-developed tricep of the stand-in compared to the mass of 1984 Arnold.
The thing which had nagged me as unauthentic during the Terminator vs. Pops clash was the scrappy nature of the movement of Terminator, not at all the less fluid movement of Arnold that we've all seen from his films.

JEWELSTAITEFAN

Thursday, July 9, 2015 4:16 AM

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Originally posted by JO753:
Soooo.....When they tranzition from reuzed footaj to new stuff, nobody woud notis?

How do you spell taught? Either? Or do you spell it different depending upon the region and it's dialect?

Have you visited
http://csumc.wisc.edu/wep/ethnicity.html

or
www.rinkworks.com/dialect

SECOND

Thursday, July 9, 2015 9:36 AM

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Originally posted by JEWELSTAITEFAN:
The part that had nagged at me but I ignored was the detail, the lack of sweat on Arnold's face during this closeup. The 1984 view shows the perspiration clearly (at least on my bluray disc version) and the 2015 shot has that fake-ish patina common to films which have been remastered for 3D compatibility.

You're worried about no sweat on Arnold? You better worry about the next two Terminator movies having no story because they are sequels to this stinking dead skunk of a movie. The setpieces are mostly rehashing better scenes from earlier films, feel thrown together to serve the effects, and look far less astonishing than anything in Cameron's first two films. Action scenes seem mandated by a stop-watch and almost invariably warmed-over versions of stuff we've seen elsewhere. Everything's at stake yet nothing comes to much.

Looking at tickets sales, Terminator: Genisys (2015) is doing poorly compared to previous Terminator movies. www.boxofficemojo.com/franchises/chart/?id=terminator.htm

Maybe badly enough to cancel Untitled Terminator 2 (2017) 19 May 2017 and Untitled Terminator 3 (2018) 29 June 2018. Now I know why this movie did not kill Kyle Reese. He's needed in 2018. Only then will he die.
www.imdb.com/title/tt3171094/
www.imdb.com/title/tt3171096/

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly

JO753

Friday, July 10, 2015 2:32 AM

I think youv taken a bad attitude about the movie, Second. Its not bad, its just not great like the otherz are.

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Originally posted by JEWELSTAITEFAN:
How do you spell taught? Either? Or do you spell it different depending upon the region and it's dialect?

Still hung up on the spelling? The sement iz thick in this wun.

xoT. EXR. I usually spell with wuts known az "General American" wich iz wut you hear in most moviez and TV.

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Have you visited
http://csumc.wisc.edu/wep/ethnicity.html

or
www.rinkworks.com/dialect]

Interesting stuff. An entire website just about Wisconsin dialects!?

The dialectifier iz an amuzing idea, but it duznt really work kuz regular English iz not capable uv showing accents or dialects.

You can see here http://www.rinkworks.com/dialect/dialectp.cgi?dialect=redneck&url=
http%3A%2F%2Fwww.nooalf.com%2Fplaintext.htm
that its just doing the usual 'missing letter, accent mark, toss an H in and everybody will just majikly know wut it soundz like' krappola. Its like a shady 1960z salezman taping a translusent colored plastic sheet over a black & white TV trying to fool idiots that its a color TV.

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DUZ XaT SEM RiT TQ YQ? - Jubal Early

http://www.nooalf.com

JEWELSTAITEFAN

Friday, July 10, 2015 4:41 AM

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Originally posted by JO753:
I think youv taken a bad attitude about the movie, Second. Its not bad, its just not great like the otherz are.

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Originally posted by JEWELSTAITEFAN:
How do you spell taught? Either? Or do you spell it different depending upon the region and it's dialect?

Still hung up on the spelling? The sement iz thick in this wun.

I meant your spelling. Tat, Tot, or Taut? Eether or Ither? I've heard both in film and screen. Add in Canadian translations makes a whole new dynamic.
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xoT. EXR. I usually spell with wuts known az "General American" wich iz wut you hear in most moviez and TV.

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Have you visited
http://csumc.wisc.edu/wep/ethnicity.html

or
www.rinkworks.com/dialect]

Interesting stuff. An entire website just about Wisconsin dialects!?

Note the edu in the address. Better than wasting money on flags soaked in piss.

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The dialectifier iz an amuzing idea, but it duznt really work kuz regular English iz not capable uv showing accents or dialects.

You can see here http://www.rinkworks.com/dialect/dialectp.cgi?dialect=redneck&url=
http%3A%2F%2Fwww.nooalf.com%2Fplaintext.htm
that its just doing the usual 'missing letter, accent mark, toss an H in and everybody will just majikly know wut it soundz like' krappola. Its like a shady 1960z salezman taping a translusent colored plastic sheet over a black & white TV trying to fool idiots that its a color TV.

The dialectizer is a couple decades old. Sounds like you hadn't seen it before. I have thought it should include Yooper as well.

SECOND

Friday, July 10, 2015 6:06 AM

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Originally posted by JO753:
I think youv taken a bad attitude about the movie, Second. Its not bad, its just not great like the otherz are.

. . . Its like a shady 1960z salezman taping a translusent colored plastic sheet over a black & white TV trying to fool idiots that its a color TV.

It is a bad sci-fi movie because it does not take any of its ideas seriously. I don't think there has ever been a movie that even half-heartedly tries to follow the real physics of how a time machine can work. See Time Travel: A Writer's Guide to the Real Science of Plausible Time Travel Paperback – February 7, 2011 www.amazon.com/Time-Travel-Writers-Science-Plausible/dp/1421400820/

Chapter 7 "When General Relativity Made Time Travel to the Past Honest" starts with a poem: The moving finger writes; and, having writ, moves on; nor all your pity nor wit shall lure it back to cancel half a line, nor all your tears wash out a word of it.

And the other big idea in this movie, besides time travel, is a human with the power of a Terminator (and I do mean a human, not some human shaped puppet programmed by Skynet to kill-kill-kill Sarah Connor). This movie plays with the idea for about 2 minutes and then it falls right back into the trite "It's really a murderously crazy Terminator hiding behind a disguise, it was never human at all!" This outburst motivated by a comic I saw today where a machine is a human. http://dresdencodak.com/2015/07/08/dark-science-49-exode/

I would like to see Sarah Connor take advantage of the fact that she can emotionally manipulate her son.

Select to view spoiler:

At the end of the movie she tricks John using a mother's love. He's heartbroken, then she kills him. That will jolt the audience. How could a mother be such a badass to her only son?

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly

JO753

Friday, July 10, 2015 10:36 AM

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Originally posted by second:...a human with the power of a Terminator (and I do mean a human, not some human shaped puppet programmed by Skynet to kill-kill-kill Sarah Connor). This movie plays with the idea for about 2 minutes and then it falls right back into the trite "It's really a murderously crazy Terminator hiding behind a disguise, it was never human at all!"

You may be prezuming too much. They obviously left alot uv stuff for the sequelz.

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DUZ XaT SEM RiT TQ YQ? - Jubal Early

http://www.nooalf.com

JEWELSTAITEFAN

Saturday, July 11, 2015 2:50 AM

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Originally posted by second:
Skynet has a really good trick to beat John Connor, a trick written by Laeta Elizabeth Kalogridis.

Just noticed this name while watching another enjoyable show.

Also produced and wrote the original episode of Bionic Woman with Michelle Ryan and Mark Sheppard.

SECOND

Saturday, July 11, 2015 10:00 AM

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Originally posted by JO753:

You may be prezuming too much. They obviously left alot uv stuff for the sequelz.

I'm presuming that writer Laeta Elizabeth Kalogridis knows what she is doing, but the other writer, Patrick Lussier, who gave the world Dracula III, Dracula II and Dracula 2000, is an idiot. I'm sad to say the five executive producers of T5 could not come to an agreement about which one of these two writers was the idiot, fired him and erase every word he wrote from the T5 screenplay.

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly

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