Well... here 'Fahrenheit 9/11' is.
POSTED BY: Quicksand
UPDATED: Thursday, March 30, 2006 17:02
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Originally posted by Hjermsted:
Listening to the opinions of people who haven't even watched the film has become tiresome.
The film is out there now. Go see it. THEN let's discuss. Steal a ticket... sneak in... watch the inevitable bootleg copy that will soon be posted on the 'net.... I don't care!
But please just realize that opining about something you haven't experienced yourself is a sign of laziness.
Thanks and have a great day!
mattro
Not lazy... Nothing that I have read or seen so far has motivated me to care enough about it to prioritize it to the top of my list. It has no relevance or importance to me content wise, cinematic wise, knowledge wise. There is nothing new to learn or experience in it for me. Spending an hour or two watching a bloated pork sandwich munching walrus (and apologies to the walruses out there, also apologies to pork sandwich lovers out there, it *is* yummy) using underhanded carny tricks to fool easily manipulated idiots on the big screen while wasting $$$ is not my pasttime. I am not going to waste my time and resource and going out looking for it or sneaking into a theatre either.
How about giving us your version of the values that it espouses or why you think people ought to watch it?
You too, can add value to the discussion at hand.
otherwise, you have a nice great summer day too.
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Originally posted by Jasonzzz:
Hi Crevanreaver, thanks for the posting. That's a great review. Where's the URL link for the article online?
CREVANREAVER posted:
Unfairenheit 9/11
The lies of Michael Moore.
By Christopher Hitchens
Posted Monday, June 21, 20
Sorry it took me so long to reply to you Jasonzzz. Here is the link to the article by Hitchens.
http://slate.msn.com/id/2102723/
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Quote:If you don't care, why are you whining so loudly?
Originally posted by Jasonzzz:
Nothing that I have read or seen so far has motivated me to care enough about it.... It has no relevance or importance to me content wise, cinematic wise, knowledge wise. There is nothing new to learn or experience in it for me.
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hmmm... maybe you missed the context. I'll repeat it in smaller and fewer words this time. And with newer and improved prompting this time around.
[Get Ready]
WRT the content of the movie, nothing that I've read or seen suggests there is anything new for me. There is nothing to learn. Nothing new regarding style of substance either.
[pay attention here, here's the kicker]
What matters is the indecent method that MM is distorting this stuff and spewing it into your lap.
You folks complain about how the Bushites are manipulating the you and the media and how all the sheeps are just absent-mindedly eating it up. Well, why don't you monkeys wake up a bit and see how you are being manipulated by your predisposed hatred for Bush, all ready to empty your pockets for MM's benefit, all google-eyed to praise him for his "greatness", and ready to carry forth the complete desecration of real journalism and real documentarians?
You have traded one master for another. And you don't see it as what it is. You are still being manipulated, but this time by someone professing to be your "friend". Ha. Wake up.
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Originally posted by Succatash:Quote:
Originally posted by Jasonzzz:
Nothing that I have read or seen so far has motivated me to care enough about it.... It has no relevance or importance to me content wise, cinematic wise, knowledge wise. There is nothing new to learn or experience in it for me.
If you don't care, why are you whining so loudly?
You know what, nevermind the entire thing. Let's try something else.
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QUICKSAND wrote brilliantly: Liberal media, my rosey red a**.
XOXO
You rock! It's high time the Right Wing Media is addressed. After all, a Mega-Media Corporation can't be seen as liberal. At least not by anyone sane.
Quote:Brill.
Originally posted by Melee:Quote:
Originally posted by Succatash:
I felt sick the day we attacked Iraq. The country was in a fever to spread Freedom, destroy Evil, and take revenge for 9/11.
The Bush administration fed us loads of crap before we attacked Iraq. They sold us the war, treated it like pure business marketing. Terrorism, Good vs. Evil, Imminent Danger, FREEDOM! Then most Americans started jumping up and down like trained monkeys.
Michael Moore comes around and makes a movie that says, "Wake up and take a look around!"
And lots of monkeys got angry.
Nicely put Tash (and on a totally unrelated subject: yay for being one of the only people I still recognize around here!).
It's so sad how these Bush supporters go on and on... what are they supporting? The elite rich of thier country. Huh? Why?
Why don't they support bringing home American soldiers before a whole generation is slaughtered yet again?
Why don't they support a strong and trusted USA? A USA that doesn't, you know, illegally invade other countries and bomb the people into the stone age. Iraq WAS a modern state you know.
Why do they protect a government that has made a mockery of the USA? Why would anyone support a President who has used the power of the Office to take America back 20 years into another Vietnam conflict? And yea... American soldiers will be in Iraq for years to come.
Why support Bush/Cheney?
If you are all for the War on Terrorism, then wouldn't you see the Iraq invasion as giving the terrorists exactly what they want? Personally, if I were Osama I'd be happy as a clam that Bush invaded. It gives Ossama far more reason to hate America and insite terror attacks.
Why does the Right Wing Media support Bush? Because the mega-media corporations are... CORPORATIONS! They support politics. They push the agenda. Just like Rush Limbaugh, who is the model, I suppose. And just to give the terrorists everything they ever dreamed of, the press gives them up front air time. Well, it's unethical to give terrorists air time like that because it's what the terrorists want! Why is this forgotten? We knew this in terrorist attacks in years past so...
Why do Americans support the Iraq Invasion? Well, they don't anymore. Why did they before? Because their government lied to them. Because their news estate lied to them too.
Why do the Bush supporters tell us (over and over) that it "wasn't torture". Well, it is. And the USA will pay for that hubris.
I noticed that when someone posts an opinion that isn't supportive of Bush, the Right Wing neocon rhetoric comes out right way from... oh, I won't name names. Let's just say it's those morons who come into 'our' threads and make a mess, while thier own threads die because no one agrees with them (or even likes them). So they just troll and hijack threads in thier ... I don't know. Fiery rightiousness? Yea... that sounds about right.
I'll be going now as my spider sences tell me a list of URLS is about to appear. Oh, and all the URLs will lead to right wing bullplop from writers who are famous for... right wing bullplop. BULLPLOP!!!
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Originally posted by Melee:
*raises hand* Um, ah, not to be rude or anything, and I could be wrong... but wasn't this thread supposed to be a discussion of the movie? When did it turn into an argument about Michael Moore's personal integrity?
Well, when speaking about MM, things tend to get political quite fast.
But, I must also note that I took a break from this site (got really busy) for two days *and look at this
*!!!Everyone (well alot) has gotten *way to irritated* and has gone too far. From calling people names to assuming people live in fantasy worlds. Doesn't anyone know when this thread got out of control? Maybe Haken should enable a lock feature on threads to prevent such things.
*shakes head* Way outta hand.
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raises hand* Um, ah, not to be rude or anything, and I could be wrong... but wasn't this thread supposed to be a discussion of the movie? When did it turn into an argument about Michael Moore's personal integrity?
When the right wing decided they didn't like the message so they decided to kill the messenger. Everyone who says somehting negative about Bush- whether it's Karen Kwiatkowski or O'Neill or Joe Wilson or Clarke or "anonymous CIA officer" eventually gets buried with innuendo and slime.
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When the right wing decided they didn't like the message so they decided to kill the messenger. Everyone who says somehting negative about Bush- whether it's Karen Kwiatkowski or O'Neill or Joe Wilson or Clarke or "anonymous CIA officer" eventually gets buried with innuendo and slime."
Yeah, what you said! Just look what those guys did to poor Vince Foster.. no wait.. oh never mind.
:O)
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Jasonzzz- what would you say if I told you that I followed the uls and can say unequivocally and definitively that they are 99% cr*p?
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going down the posts one by one - looked up Debbie Schlussel
http://www.politicalusa.com/columnists/schlussel/Default.htm
"Debbie Schlussel, a conservative political commentator, columnist, and business, sports & entertainment attorney/sports agent, is a University of Michigan graduate, and holds both Law and MBA Degrees from the University of Wisconsin."
It helps when one has a cv on the commentator.
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