A new kind of Ebola?

POSTED BY: SIGNYM
UPDATED: Wednesday, October 15, 2014 02:42
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AURAPTOR

Wednesday, August 6, 2014 3:14 AM

Per the CDC, almost 2 weeks after the doctors got sick, we STILL don't know how they were infected.

But all is well.

Remain calm.

SIGNYM

Wednesday, August 6, 2014 12:02 PM

She's too (fill in the blank)to bother with.

Fill in the blank...

Intelligent?
Investigative?
Fact-driven?
Resistant to propaganda?

SIGNYM

Wednesday, August 6, 2014 7:29 PM

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Why would someone who is any of those things get their "news" from a state run outlet? That's not very any of those.

That second sentence is so garbled, I have no idea what you're trying to say. But, as far as the first is concerned... what makes you think there are any news outlets that are NOT state controlled? As far as I'm concerned, since they're ALL state controlled, even you (yes, you) get your "news" from state-controlled outlets. You simply have decided to limit your news to a particular set of states.

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She's also been caught too many times making negative assumptions and simply wrong ones.

Um, I think the real point is that you've been caught too many times making positive assumptions, but just wrong ones. You have yet to show that either KIKI or I are wrong. What I get back from you is a lot of assumption-based emotion, but no analysis. Therefore, your assumptions remain undetected (by you).

Ebola isn't going to go out of control, it IS out of control. It might not spread across international boundaries, it ALREADY HAS. It might not establish itself in major cities, it's already there. As the epidemic gets bigger and bigger, the cost and effort to being it under control gets greater and greater, and right now, I don't see the international commitment necessary to stomp it out. And international commitment is necessary, because the nations in question are too poor (and in some cases, too corrupt) to do this on their own.

So, a dilemma. Health care workers have a chance to stop this in Nigeria, but the three nations already deeply involved.... ?

THGRRI

Wednesday, August 6, 2014 8:03 PM

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Originally posted by AURaptor:
Per the CDC, almost 2 weeks after the doctors got sick, we STILL don't know how they were infected.

But all is well.

Remain calm.

I saw an article where someone suggested the material used to make a type of suit used in these situations is too porous and allows contaminant's in. It is to flimsy. There may also be a flaw in how they handle the suits when removing them.

THGRRI

Wednesday, August 6, 2014 9:38 PM

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….Sig
what makes you think there are any news outlets that are NOT state controlled? As far as I'm concerned, since they're ALL state controlled, even you (yes, you) get your "news" from state-controlled outlets. You simply have decided to limit your news to a particular set of states.

This response from you to G shows your limited understanding of how the world works. You are assigning the same degree of governmental intrusion into the news to all entities that report the news globally. They all do this, they all do that, with little regard for the different degrees to which each state may practice something; like propaganda. In this country the state may imply something to spin a topic towards a frame of though they wish you to peruse, as will the news agency’s themselves more often than not. Most do tend to lean left or right but mostly it is what they exclude in their reporting that shows their biases. Still, other news outlets will make their own determination in a follow up (be it on air or in printed form). In this country our government may make a video they wish the news agency’s to run concerning any list of topics. Many times because it is news the news outlet will run it unedited. That is a form of propaganda but again there is always a dissenting voice that can be heard that follows by that very news provider or their competition. There is a very big difference between that and what has happened to the news in Russia with the presence of Putin. Or Iran and many of the other news sources you research for you arguments, which do little more than cast aspersions on the west. The world has many more dimensions to it than you are apparently able to grasp.

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….Sig
Um, I think the real point is that you've been caught too many times making positive assumptions, but just wrong ones. You have yet to show that either KIKI or I are wrong. What I get back from you is a lot of assumption-based emotion, but no analysis. Therefore, your assumptions remain undetected (by you).

I find this amusing. You and 1kiki have yet to be right unless we are talking global warming. When it comes to the Ukraine, wrong. When it comes to the Middle East, wrong. When it comes to America, wrong. Your belief system is tainted by the negative brush you use to paint everything but your beloved Socialism.

Sorry, but when you suggest G is coming from a place of assumption based on emotion, it is yourself and 1kiki you are describing not G. I can’t count the amount of times I have read G saying to 1kiki, that is not what I said read it again. It is a constant reminder to me of all the times she has chosen to ignore what I was saying and respond with something that established for me, chatting anything with her was pointless.

Lastly I would say I am torn between not responding to those hear who have an agenda, and letting the voices of reason stand unassisted in their attempts to keep these threads alive.. Alas, life has taught me the extremes on both sides are more likely to engage as I have witnessed here. My feeling is I should wean myself off of these threads entirely. I am sure there are half a dozen here that would love that which is of little concern to me. It’s just, this is fast becoming a place I do not wish to hang out.

AURAPTOR

Wednesday, August 6, 2014 9:59 PM

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Originally posted by THGRRI:
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Originally posted by AURaptor:
Per the CDC, almost 2 weeks after the doctors got sick, we STILL don't know how they were infected.

But all is well.

Remain calm.

I saw an article where someone suggested the material used to make a type of suit used in these situations is too porous and allows contaminant's in. It is to flimsy. There may also be a flaw in how they handle the suits when removing them.

Great.

I guess the spokesman didn't think that worthy of discussion .

THGRRI

Wednesday, August 6, 2014 10:37 PM

All your going to hear from them is smooth sailing for a bit longer.

Everything positive....

MAGONSDAUGHTER

Thursday, August 7, 2014 4:10 PM

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Originally posted by G:

Why would someone who is any of those things get their "news" from a state run outlet? That's not very any of those.

Actually the best news source in this country is government funded.

http://www.abc.net.au/news/vic/

Just thought I'd point that out.

Here are a few sources on the Ebola outbreak

http://edition.cnn.com/2014/08/06/health/africa-ebola-outbreak/index.h
tml

http://www.theguardian.com/world/2014/aug/06/ebola-outbreak-nurse-nige
ria-dies

SIGNYM

Thursday, August 7, 2014 8:13 PM

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Originally posted by THGRRI:
what makes you think there are any news outlets that are NOT state controlled? As far as I'm concerned, since they're ALL state controlled, even you (yes, you) get your "news" from state-controlled outlets. You simply have decided to limit your news to a particular set of states.-Sig

This response from you to G shows your limited understanding of how the world works... In this country the state may imply something to spin a topic towards a frame of though they wish you to peruse, as will the news agency’s themselves more often than not. ... In this country our government may make a video they wish the news agency’s to run concerning any list of topics. Many times because it is news the news outlet will run it unedited. That is a form of propaganda but again there is always a dissenting voice that can be heard that follows by that very news provider or their competition.

Huh.

One of the points I made in the Gaza thread was the internet censorship I stumbled across the other day, while looking for the number of rockets and mortars that Israel fires into Gaza. That censorship is absolute, and if you can find that data anywhere, hats off to you. (And be prepared for a knock on your door.)

The USA has done a LOT more than "spin" the news, the NSA/ FBI/ DOJ have "investigated" journalists and news outlets, taking away hard drives and boxes of info. Not small outlets, either, but FOX news and AP.

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Recent coverage of overbroad subpoenas for telephone records of Associated Press journalists and an inappropriate search warrant for a Fox News reporter are only the latest examples of abuse. In 2010 the Inspector General reported the FBI used an illegal “exigent letter” to obtain the telephone records of 7 New York Times and Washington Post reporters. And the FBI thwarts congressional oversight with excessive secrecy and delayed or misleading responses to questions from Congress

https://www.aclu.org/sites/default/files/assets/unleashed-and-unaccoun
table-fbi-report.pdf

Reporters themselves have said that this inhibits their ability to investigate and report the news.

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There is a very big difference between that and what has happened to the news in Russia with the presence of Putin. Or Iran and many of the other news sources you research for you arguments, which do little more than cast aspersions on the west.

Funny thing is, our press does the same thing! It's been nothing but a lap dog every time some President wants to go to war. The most ridiculous "aspersions" (allegations, accusations) pass muster and are duly printed in our press. When I look at our press and the English-language outlets of foreign press, they look remarkably similar.

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Um, I think the real point is that you've been caught too many times making positive assumptions, but just wrong ones. You have yet to show that either KIKI or I are wrong. What I get back from you is a lot of assumption-based emotion, but no analysis. Therefore, your assumptions remain undetected (by you).-signy

I find this amusing. You and 1kiki have yet to be right unless we are talking global warming. When it comes to the Ukraine, wrong.

Please see my predictions about Ukraine, and tell me how "wrong" I've been.

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When it comes to the Middle East, wrong.

Because Afghanistan, Iraq, Libya, and Syria are NOT great smoking clusterfucks, thanks to our "interventions"?

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When it comes to America, wrong.

Because we have NOT become an oligarchy, where the will of the people is thwarted whenever it crosses the interests of the wealthy? Because there are people (like you) who conflate corporate interests with American interests?

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Your belief system is tainted by the negative brush you use to paint everything but your beloved Socialism.

If I believe in anything, it's looking at facts - even painf

SIGNYM

Thursday, August 7, 2014 8:22 PM

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The point you are trying to make is the one I just made - it's not about America, so why is a End of America site using it? That site is so close to info wars - I've pointed that out before, so still true. It's obvious she didn't just happen by it.

You're right. I found some facts, and I searched them together, and THAT particular article had all of them nicely tied together, in one. With quotes and sources, which would allow the INVESTIGATIVE person to check the sources and find more info. I could have posted and linked a half-dozen articles from more "acceptable" sources with the same info, but that site was more convenient.

I don't get your point. Either the information is true, or it isn't. It doesn't matter what's surrounding it. And BTW, that was the first time I've even been to that website, and most likely will be the last. So whatever you're trying to imply... well, I don't "get it". I just chalk it up to "yet another inexplicable reaction from G".

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