Australia repeals maligned 2-year-old carbon tax

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AURAPTOR

Monday, July 21, 2014 8:24 AM

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This whole post is hogwash. It has nothing to do with global warming and as a reason for you to suggest scientists are wrong it is woefully inadequate.

Scientist have been wrong, about this particular topic, so don't tell me I'm being ignorant when I don't agree with them.

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Ignorant people always say what you say. You are called ignorant simply because you see things differently. That's because you're all ignorant. Ignorant means lacking in knowledge and training.

And arrogant people always say that too.

Knowledge, I've got. Training ? Well then, that depends on whose training you speak. Alliance training ? Big Freaking Agenda 21 training ? Re-education camp training ?

Sorry, but which patch will I be forced to wear on my clothing when I'm out in public ?

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With all the evidence presented here in these threads and all the times you have debated this here, the term ignorant no longer applies to you; but Stupid does. Sorry....

Now you're sounding like the religious cult follower I expected. Bravo.

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Oh yeah, as an atheist myself that does not apply here either.

You've just exchanged 1 religion for another.

Fathom the hypocrisy of a government that requires every citizen to prove they are insured... but not everyone must prove they are a citizen

I'm just a red pill guy in a room full of blue pill addicts.

" AU, that was great, LOL!! " - Chrisisall

MAGONSDAUGHTER

Monday, July 21, 2014 9:04 AM

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Such sources, though 'finite', are still readily available, easy to unlock from the Earth, and yield a very large return on production of energy. Simply put, nothing comes close to matching the bang for the buck.

So it doesn't bother you that they are high polluting?

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Build a better mouse trap, and folks will flock to it. It's just that simple. Convince yourself that BIG OIL has a massive conspiracy to lock up alternate energy sources all day long, it doesn't matter. Either they do, and we're set for infinity, or they don't, which means that when oil and gas run out, we're all humped.

is it really so inconceivable to you that massive corporations might actually have a hand in protecting their business interests by discouraging actions, government or otherwise, which would impact on their profits. You seem to be shockingly naive.

That's the issue with corporatist states is that they wield so much power and have stitched up the market so entirely that it's nigh in impossible for smaller start up companies to enter the market, let alone get any foothold. Everything becomes stacked in favour of the corporations, every political decision, every tax law.

I guess the other issue I have with high polluting industries is about who pays for their clean up. Not usually them, in most circumstances. They take the profit, slide out of paying tax and expect taxpayers to clean up their messes. If you dont want to call it a carbon tax call it a 'clean up the shit' tax for all I care, but they need to be forced factor in environmental impact into their profit margins.

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We'll adapt. We won't have any other choice.

Lovely. So don't bother about it until it hits you in the face. Hope you're not in business. Your risk management strategy sucks.

AURAPTOR

Monday, July 21, 2014 4:06 PM

Living on this planet is risky enough. And there's no getting around that fact.

But the cartoonish hyperbole over this non existent " crisis " is what is fueling your hysterical chicken little mind set.

The sky will NOT be falling.

Relax.

THGRRI

Monday, July 21, 2014 7:25 PM

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Even if you plan for it, I'd say the latter will occur.

At the very least, all these post - apocalyptic t.v. shows and survival 'reality' programs on now will filter into the culture and we'll just adjust all that much easier!

This quote by rappy explains it all. It suggests he has predetermined we will keep polluting and using more resources than the planet can provide and we will learn to adapt. That is his science. This is what he is speaking to with that big post earlier about how he sees us and the cosmos. His quote expresses a real detachment from being responsible for what we do and trying to do better. He does not care.

THGRRI

Monday, July 21, 2014 7:38 PM

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....Rappy
Sorry, but which patch will I be forced to wear on my clothing when I'm out in public ?

A dummy patch of course....

AURAPTOR

BYTEMITE

Monday, July 21, 2014 8:10 PM

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Or might not. Not sure why that's an issue, either way. Nor where it's said that I am an old establishment 'yes man'. I've spoken out plenty against the old guard . But I've not blindly rejected wisdom either, out of hand, simply because it wasn't formed yesterday.

Never said you were a yes man, simply that you had certain attitudes and perspectives that made me wonder if you were military.

I've thought MKNickerson might be military as well, for the same reasons, even though you have pretty much opposite ideologies.

THGRRI

Monday, July 21, 2014 8:21 PM

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Originally posted by AURaptor:

Or might not. Not sure why that's an issue, either way. Nor where it's said that I am an old establishment 'yes man'. I've spoken out plenty against the old guard . But I've not blindly rejected wisdom either, out of hand, simply because it wasn't formed yesterday.

Never said you were a yes man, simply that you had certain attitudes and perspectives that made me wonder if you were military.

I've thought MKNickerson might be military as well, for the same reasons, even though you have pretty much opposite ideologies.

It was I that called Rappy and old establishment yes man.

AURAPTOR

BYTEMITE

Monday, July 21, 2014 8:22 PM

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So, call me a fool because I don't buy into the claims made by a vocal group of folks who are intent on altering our way of life , for no real clearly defined reason, and even worse, with out any clearly thought out plan , then I consider myself in fine company.

As a side note, AU, you ought to look into The whole hole in the Ozone and aerosols issue, and how that was resolved in the early 1990s. You'd think that industries that rely on pressurization would have taken a huge hit from having to work around a no CFCs restriction. You'd think that after the scientists established the problem without any plan it would've been chaos. Turns out not so much - average citizens took measures, companies took measures, and it worked. Why? Because everyone was acting in their own self-interest.

That's why I only ever argue self-sufficiency and sustainability with you. Because aren't those good ideas that are workable on a citizen-by-citizen level anyway? Just a few simple easy things and not only do you save money, you become less dependent on government.

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Even if you plan for it, I'd say the latter will occur.

Not at all. We've had MANY scientific crises in the past, see above for one such example, but now that we have the capacity to identify potential problems in advance, such as running out of fossil fuels, we also have the ability to make both steady and abrupt changes without most of us even noticing.

By the time we run out of fossil fuel, I can guarantee we'll have already quietly switched over to predominantly other kinds of energy production. The thing is with gas and oil, as you try to literally squeeze more blood out of the rock, it becomes less cost effective over time to do so.

AURAPTOR

Tuesday, July 22, 2014 3:40 AM

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Originally posted by THGRRI:

It was I that called Rappy and old establishment yes man.

A charge which is as baseless as they come.

Also, there's this...

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Physicists claim further evidence of link between cosmic rays and cloud formation

A Danish group that has reproduced the Earth's atmosphere in the laboratory has shown how clouds might be seeded by incoming cosmic rays. The team believes that the research provides evidence that fluctuations in the cosmic-ray flux caused by changes in solar activity could play a role in climate change. Other climate researchers, however, remain sceptical of the link between cosmic rays and climate

http://phys.org/news/2013-09-danish-unexpected-magic-cosmic-rays.html

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