I wanna do this one more time: Was Mal wrong when he shot that surrendering guy in Serenity?
POSTED BY: chrisisall
UPDATED: Friday, June 6, 2014 05:29
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So he is making threats, he could not do anything at that point in time.
Threats = threatening by definition, + not harmless whatsoever to begin with...?
So they shouldn't take his threats seriously or what?
Still underestimating what he could do at the time.
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So it is okay to kill untrustworthy folk?
When they just killed a whole village of non-hostiles? I'm going to go with "yes" here.
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Originally posted by chrisisall:Quote:If you're bitten by a rabid animal, why get shots right away? The virus can't immediately do any damage...
Originally posted by M52NICKERSON:
So he is making threats, he could not do anything at that point in time.
Again I understand why Mal did it, doesn't change the morality of what he did.
Plus there is a mark differnce between kill another human and a rabid animal.
I do not fear God, I fear the ignorance of man.
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Originally posted by BYTEMITE:
Threats = threatening by definition, + not harmless whatsoever to begin with...?
So they shouldn't take his threats seriously or what?
Still underestimating what he could do at the time.
What could have Crow done while tied up?
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So it is okay to kill untrustworthy folk?
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Originally posted by BYTEMITE:
When they just killed a whole village of non-hostiles? I'm going to go with "yes" here.
...and it would still be called murder.
I do not fear God, I fear the ignorance of man.
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Quote:I'm gonna have to ask Mark about that directly. Hey Mark, what do YOU think?
Originally posted by M52NICKERSON:
Plus there is a mark differnce between kill another human and a rabid animal.
Mark: "There is no difference between a rabid animal and a homicidal maniac. Both are best set free of this reality to pursue a new existence elsewhere."
But Mark, don't humans differ in the we have souls, and are therefore worth more consideration simply because only God should have a say when a man dies?
Mark: "Oh please. You're makin' me all allergic & sneezy with that fuzzy wuzzy talk."
Well there ya have it! There IS NO Mark difference.
PLUS: Seriously m52, you totally missed my point. I was saying why take MEDICINE right away for an infection that won't kill you for days or weeks. Y'know, drawing a parallel twixt Crow and a virus... see? Both non-lethal AT THIS PARTICULAR MOMENT, but in need of being dealt with ASAP to avoid unavoidable future unpleasantness... get it?
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Originally posted by M52NICKERSON:
What could have Crow done while tied up?
As I recall he stood up by then and was doing that dumb macho chest to chest thing, so... Headbutt, break nose, downward elbow, stomp temple.
If you have a sense of humour, you could toss a groin shot in there too, though that might actually give recovery time.
Alternate scenario - guy is ripped and might be able to just snap the bonds on him since I'm pretty sure they just used rope. That's when it gets fun.
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...and it would still be called murder.
You talking in circles now? I already said it would be murder. The disagreement here is whether it's wrong.
Submit another argument.
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Originally posted by chrisisall:
[ Seriously m52, you totally missed my point. I was saying why take MEDICINE right away for an infection that won't kill you for days or weeks. Y'know, drawing a parallel twixt Crow and a virus... see? Both non-lethal AT THIS PARTICULAR MOMENT, but in need of being dealt with ASAP to avoid unavoidable future unpleasantness... get it?
I understand that, and have said that I understand why Mal did what he did. Hell, I might have done the same thing. Having a good reason to do something does not make it a moral choice.
I do not fear God, I fear the ignorance of man.
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Originally posted by BYTEMITE:
I already said it would be murder. The disagreement here is whether it's wrong.
mur·der
noun \'m?r-d?r\
: the crime of deliberately killing a person
: the crime of unlawfully killing a person especially with malice aforethought
Ain't crime wrong?
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Originally posted by BYTEMITE:
As I recall he stood up by then and was doing that dumb macho chest to chest thing, so... Headbutt, break nose, downward elbow, stomp temple.
If you have a sense of humour, you could toss a groin shot in there too, though that might actually give recovery time.
Alternate scenario - guy is ripped and might be able to just snap the bonds on him since I'm pretty sure they just used rope. That's when it gets fun.
...all that, with Zoe standing behind Mal, but he just lets Mal kick him into the engine.
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Originally posted by BYTEMITE:
You talking in circles now? I already said it would be murder. The disagreement here is whether it's wrong.
Submit another argument.
Murder is wrong, you may not think that in all cases, but I do.
I do not fear God, I fear the ignorance of man.
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Ain't crime wrong?
Y'know what I find funny? The government assigns murder to a be kind of moral turpitude, but also finds draft dodging or desertion as a kind of moral turpitude as well.
Crime and wrongness are inherently subjective, our code of laws is arbitrary an inconsistent in a lot of ways, and that's even before you get a jury trial and the justice system involved.
As such, breaking a law, a crime, is not always wrong.
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Quote:I was just doin' Devil's Advo, I agree completely.
Originally posted by BYTEMITE:
As such, breaking a law, a crime, is not always wrong.
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