Poll: Who is to blame for shutdown?
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UPDATED: Friday, October 24, 2025 19:48
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On msnbc:
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Who do you blame for the shutdown?
25 %
I blame the president.
10,927 votes
25 %
I blame the House GOP.
10,814 votes
3 %
I don’t blame anyone; this is all part of politics.
1,376 votes
47 %
I blame them all.
20,288 votes
Guess which one I chose!
Although... >_> I've heard there's a country in Europe somewhere and the government's been shutdown and in a gridlock for like three years.
Even if this turns out to be a major blow to the global economy, I'm wondering if shutdown will provide insight into what programs really are needed and what aren't. Let's turn the collapse of our entire system into a positive thing!
*Cough* and then storm the capital torch and pitchforks en mass, boot all the politicians out, and loot the marble facades. *fake innocent halo*
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Quote:Dueling stats.
More than six in 10 Americans, or 63%, disapprove of the way the GOP is handling the budget impasse that could force the first government shutdown in 17 years, according to an ABC News/Washington Post poll.
This is all about Obamacare. Personally, I think the Republicans are behaving like spoiled children. Even with heavy gerrymadering of voting districts by the Repubs, they couldn't get their way through the Presidential election and the many Congressional votes, and what they're REALLY afraid of is that people will learn more about Obamacare and actually like it. So they're actually trying to thwart what even THEY enivision as "the will of the people".
I think everyone here knows I dislike Obamacare, but it needs to be improved, not destroyed, because our healthcare system was a complete clusterfuck before, and the Repubs have not offered any options except to continue the clusterfuck.
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Perhaps not Sig. Add the 50% who are mad at everyone with the 25% who are mad at the house GOP, and then compare approximately 63% to 75% with margin of error. Actually pretty close?
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Yup, all depends on who's doing the polling:
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Unfortunately for Republicans, early polling on the government shutdown does not favor their strategy. A Quinnipiac University National Poll released Tuesday morning shows that by a margin of 72 percent to 22 percent, American voters oppose a government shutdown over attempts to block the Affordable Care Act. And though voters are divided on the law itself, 58 percent of those surveyed said they opposed cutting off funding a way to stop it from being implemented. http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-250_162-57605453/blame-game-starts-with-no
-end-in-sight-for-government-shutdown/]Quote:
Of those surveyed, 72 percent said they opposed shutting down the government to block the funding of the Patient Protection and Affordable Care Act. Another 64 percent said they opposed blocking an increase in the debt ceiling to avoid default.
The Congressional approval rating for the GOP is the lowest it has ever been, with 74 percent disapproval. Democrats have an approval rating of 60 percent. http://www.opposingviews.com/i/politics/poll-shows-voters-blame-republ
icans-government-shutdown#]Quote:
So it's a matter of "pick your poll", but by far the majority of polls show the Republicans appropriately getting most of the blame.
More than six in 10 Americans, or 63%, disapprove of the way the GOP is handling the budget impasse that could force the first government shutdown in 17 years, according to an ABC News/Washington Post poll.
In a CNN/ORC poll, 69% of Americans say Republicans are acting like "spoiled children" in the budget showdown. Obama does the best when it comes to acting like a "responsible adult" in the CNN/ORC poll: 49% of Americans choose that phrase to describe his behavior. Only one in four Americans say Republicans are acting responsibly. http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/politics/2013/09/30/government-shut
down-blame-republicans-polls/2897197/]
From L.A.: Quote:
...most readers are expressing disbelief at the dysfunction in Washington. As with the nearly month-long shutdown in the 1990s during the Clinton administration, most are blaming members of Congress for this mess, not the president.
Carol J. Smith of Cerritos: "I was a federal employee during the 1995-96 federal government shutdown, during which the employees and the bills of our federal government went unpaid. Most people are unaware of the terrible cost that was paid by many federal workers during the total of 28 days that their wages were withheld.
"Thousands of federal employees work at low salaries and keep the everyday work of the federal government running. These employees live paycheck-to-paycheck and have few resources to fall back on when their salaries are held hostage to politics in Congress. Since their services are essential for the operation of the federal government, many of them were not furloughed during the shutdown but instead were required to continue to work without pay.
"For members of Congress, the only thing that is essential is winning at politics. And they can continue to receive their salaries during a shutdown."
Redondo Beach resident Steve Stillman: "Instead of passing a bill to delay the Affordable Care Act, House Republicans should pass a bill requiring our armed forces to nuke it.
"Sound stupid? Well so does shutting down the government and wrecking our economy."
Jeff Pollak of La Crescenta: "Are we absolutely sure that Sen. John McCain (R-Ariz.) was talking about the Dodgers when he complained about a 'no-class act by a bunch of overpaid, immature, arrogant, spoiled brats'?
"Seems to me his fellow Republicans in the House of Representatives fit the description much better than some overly exuberant ballplayers." http://www.latimes.com/opinion/la-ol-government-shutdown-mailbag-20130
930,0,5231531.story
About covers it.
Quote:There are other demands. Republicans also want Paul Ryan's tax reform, the Keystone XL pipeline, partial repeal of the Clean Air Act, partial repeal of bank regulation legislation, Medicare cuts, cuts in several anti-poverty programs, making it harder to launch medical malpractice lawsuits, more drilling on federal land, blocking net neutrality, and a suite of changes designed to make it harder for regulatory agencies to crack the whip. - www.nationalreview.com/corner/359534/revealed-house-gops-debt-ceiling-
Originally posted by SIGNYM:
This is all about Obamacare.
plan-jonathan-strong
The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly
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What a lot of power without consequences your politicans hold. I'm pretty sure if that happened here, both Houses would be dissolved and an election held for all those seats. You have to put your money where your mouth is...
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My 1st notion: If Nat'l park workers & others are bein' given an
unpaid vacation, Then Congress should be unpaid, too! -- but not on
vacation. Keep working to resolve the problem, no pay til they do.
Don't we have an unwritten law somewhere about never asking your
employees to do something that yourself is unwilling to do?
When Joss warned that electing Romney could result in a zombie
apocalypse, he was talking about these guys, too!
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There is a limit to my hypocrisy. ~Doc Holliday
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You make some good points:
1- Whether or not you like Obamacare, our health system is broken and desperately needs fixing. For one thing, that makes me angry, the Repubs offer no better solution, just the status quo.
2- I saw a report on Nightline that showed an American employer sending their employees to Costa Rica for medical procedures that are usually twice the amount here in the U.S. Plus they would pay the employees a bonus of $2500, pay for the trip and hotel stay. Look it up on Nightline online or You Tube, amazing.
3- I like what you said about the "will of the people" it seems that the Repubs did not factor that in. They forget that people are not that stupid, they can smell a "snake-oil salesman" a mile away. Ted Cruz is that snake-oil salesman.
4- Here's a thought: the very thing the Repubs were afraid of (or so they say) they stupidly drew attention to. Ted Cruz kept saying it, if it ever gets rolling Obamacare will succeed and millions of Americans will have health care coverage. He's riding the Tea Party wave, right wing phobia. A black president actually had the balls to introduce something different and it actually might work, perhaps not in it's current form, but it's a start.
OMG, America is changing and the Good Ole Boys network is slowly but surely being dismantled. Just think, people other than old white dudes can and do think, and implement ideas that benefit the country - not just the rich and superrich.
Rush and Bill O'Reilly are right, America is changing. Next stop a woman president, the T-Party will see to that. Cruz, Koch, Rand Paul, Ryan have only themselves to blame. Thanks guys, way to go.
The king is dead, Long live the King.
SGG
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Originally posted by SIGNYM:Quote:Dueling stats.
More than six in 10 Americans, or 63%, disapprove of the way the GOP is handling the budget impasse that could force the first government shutdown in 17 years, according to an ABC News/Washington Post poll.
This is all about Obamacare. Personally, I think the Republicans are behaving like spoiled children. Even with heavy gerrymadering of voting districts by the Repubs, they couldn't get their way through the Presidential election and the many Congressional votes, and what they're REALLY afraid of is that people will learn more about Obamacare and actually like it. So they're actually trying to thwart what even THEY enivision as "the will of the people".
I think everyone here knows I dislike Obamacare, but it needs to be improved, not destroyed, because our healthcare system was a complete clusterfuck before, and the Repubs have not offered any options except to continue the clusterfuck.
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One poll had it at 72%.
The question was raised: Regarding the Government shutdown, the people
hate the idea, and that percentage blame the repubs for the dumb idea.
I look at it this way: If Obamacare was so wrong for the country, and a "train wreck," then why didn't the Tea Party phonies let it run it's course of imminent failure. Then they could say "we told you so" and win in the mid-term elections. But instead we get the Harvard-educated Canadian yelling the sky is falling!
By the way, so many people tried to register for Obamacare that several websites crashed. In New York the website got 2 million hits in 8 hours.
In Kentucky, Obamacare is in full swing but the state government changed the name. It's now known as Kynnect and it's a success.
Thank you Ted. I take it back, you are a genius!
SGG
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Originally posted by BYTEMITE:
Perhaps not Sig. Add the 50% who are mad at everyone with the 25% who are mad at the house GOP, and then compare approximately 63% to 75% with margin of error. Actually pretty close?
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Yeah, Shiny, I got caught in that deluge. I turn 65 in a few days, so could drop my Medicare Supplemental insurance and get a cheaper policy, still with Anthem. So I did my little on-line application, but when it came to setting up the auto-pay feature, it crashed. Then their system got overloaded big time and the whole THING crashed. In order to get it in under the deadline, I had to fill out a paper form, scan and e-mail it to my rep and she faxed it to Aetna. They were that inundated by people trying to sign up the first day of Obamacare!
And yes, Ezra Klein said exactly what you did:
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