Guns, Guns, Guns.
POSTED BY: FREMDFIRMA
UPDATED: Monday, June 30, 2025 05:56
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Originally posted by WULFENSTAR:
Just saying...
With all the talk of gun-control, and the want of school defenders...
Might it not make sense that the people of the community be tasked with this?
Instead of the military, or the police guarding the schools... ask the community if there are any who want the job? Since getting rid of gun-free zones, and allowing teachers to be armed, is a battle away... and we dont want the government (armed) in our schools...
Why not ask if former military (who are without jobs), or community members (after being vetted) would like the position?
How many would enjoy the responsibility of protecting children, even getting paid for it?
http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/DumbassHasAPoint
Remember I do Contract Security, and happen to be right damn good at it.
Hell, one of the poorest neighborhoods which contracts through our sister company does so by taking up a collection at the local church, and sure sometimes it's a little short, but that is why tax writeoffs exist.
AND, being answerable and accountable in a way the badge bearing mafia is not, that means any misbehavior on behalf of the involved personnel is immediately acted upon, rare that it is.
Honestly, the fashion in which Contracts around here are serviced is in fact one hell of a lot closer to the INTENTION of police than the current reality of em, walk the rounds, talk to people, engage with the community and help settle issues and problems BEFORE they explode, prevent crime rather than clean up after, etc etc.
Just a thought there.
-Frem
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Quote:Oh, gag me with a spoon!
I'm called a fool for believing in the "good" of people. I laugh in the faces of those who say such things. They tend to be sad, bitter things... worth more pity than discussion. -WULF
You do not, you silly fucktard! Why, just in the other thread (History X) you said
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This does not apply to fires. Or Domestics. Or ODs. Or any of the million other things that you stupid fucktards get yourselves into. Just shootings. MAYBE stabbings.
SO, us idiots will still rush in to save your sorry selves.
YET, and this happend to a crew in my house... sometimes evil bastards just want to hurt us.
So much for believing in the good in people!!
God, you suck dick. And you can't even keep track of what you say from thread to thread!
Yanno what? You shouldn't even be married, much less have a child. I give your marriage five years, tops, before your own twisted worldview implodes it. You better straighten up, son, before you lose everything you hold dear.
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Quote:The what ARE you saying? There's nothing metaphorical about Mal's statement, nothing to misinterpret or get offended over, and my impression is very much the same as Mal's. Less the gun-stroking, of course.
They are flat out saying:
BIG GUNS = FREEDOM
Anthony is flat out, without hesitation, saying that. I have a problem with that stance.-MAL
Hello,
You can say that all day long, and twice on Sundays, but it doesn't make it true. You've created a creature in your mind and you keep pummeling it, but I'm not in there.-TONY
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Metaphorically speaking, I own a hacksaw. I dislike (make that hate) using it, I have many other tools, but in CASE I need it for a unique situation, I have it.
Frem, Tony, isn't this it?
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CHRIS, but hacksaws don't kill 8000+ people a year, and nobody is trying to defend hacksaws to the death.
This is the part I stumbled over, right at the start.... the moment someone says "I know that was a tragedy, but...." they lost me.
There is a great insensitivity to the death we deal abroad. After all, they're just rag-heads, or gooks, or whatever favorite pejorative term is used to dehumanize victims and make them acceptably dead.
There is a great deal of insensitivity when several thousand urban youth are killed every year, because after all they're just bangers and wannabes.
But when the victims are white, rich, innocent children, sacrificing THEM to whatever Moloch is in someone's mind just goes to prove how entirely desensitized they are. And justifying it afterwards is just morbid and creepifying.
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...You've got a point. Though in fairness, I don't think it's a justification so much as completely different priorities. A justification is making something right in your head for yourself that you did when you know it's wrong, but none of the people here shot a little kid.
I guess owning guns versus guns killing a kid could be a justification, but it strikes me more as a complete disconnect between causal relationships.
I bet most of the pro-gun people on this thread would argue that there really isn't a cause and effect and that this was random violence wholly unrelated to whether they as individuals own guns. Meanwhile, you and Niki and Mal4Prez see a very direct cause and effect.
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Quote:Signy, notice it was 'hacksaw' and not 'industrial wood chipper'. Most killing sprees aren't done with little personal guns or simple hunting rifles, are they?
Originally posted by SIGNYM:
CHRIS, but hacksaws don't kill 8000+ people a year, and nobody is trying to defend hacksaws to the death.
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entirely desensitized
I look at my Son and I know how utterly emotionally gutted and destroyed I'd be in ANY parent's place losing a child, especially to something as stupid & useless as gun violence. Or fucking drone attacks, for that matter. If I think on it too much, I start to tear up.
There's a lot we need to do, but the economics of our great nation mean we will attempt the cheapest solution, and ultimately, one that will have little, if any, effect on the problem.
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Originally posted by BYTEMITE:
I bet most of the pro-gun people on this thread would argue that there really isn't a cause and effect and that this was random violence wholly unrelated to whether they as individuals own guns. Meanwhile, you and Niki and Mal4Prez see a very direct cause and effect.
This is my problem with most of the arguments... a sea of B&W.
IMO, availability of guns (especially WalMart semi-auto specials) is ridiculous. Training & certification are lax at best. Gun show sales are prescriptions for trouble.
However, violent sprees employ the most effective and easiest to obtain weapon; take guns out of the equation, and we'll get flamethrower, dynamite & chainsaw murder sprees.
No single cause, no singly treatment.
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THERE IS NO MIDDLE GROUND.
You are either for arms... or you are a self-confessed peasant, desiring some government to take care of you.
If you are of the first, you have use. If the latter, useless.
"None of you seem to understand. I'm not locked in here with you... YOU are locked in here with ME."
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CHRIS... no matter how many words someone might use to try and convince me that guns are like hacksaws, they can only say that if they're willing to overlook every essential feature that makes one thing a gun and another thing a hacksaw. It's a meaningless equivalence, like saying that guns are like mascara wands (because they're both made-by-human items with a specific purpose.) Pointing out that these two things are NOT THE SAME is not black-and-white thinking, it's just being clear that they occupy very different parts of the spectrum that constitutes "made-by-human" items. Infact, making false equivalences is in itself black-and-white thinking.
Not a black-and-white thinker here, but also not willing to say that 3 = 7.
Quote:Now THERE is a black-and-white thinker who is stroking his gun. Fulfills every stereotype that MAL has lobbed.
THERE IS NO MIDDLE GROUND.
You are either for arms... or you are a self-confessed peasant, desiring some government to take care of you.
If you are of the first, you have use. If the latter, useless.
So much for seeing the good in people, eh WULF?
BTW WULF- the government NEVER "took care of" the peasants; it was the peasants who took care of ... well, everything. It was the peasants who grew the food and built the castles and roads. Try reading some history.
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