Iran goes after Israeli diplomats

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ANTHONYT

Wednesday, February 15, 2012 2:59 PM

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Originally posted by Fremdfirma:

Like, yanno, assassinating their people, threatening them and trying to browbeat them politically and economically ?

But as someone said, "And why the automatic assumption of organization ?"

"Keep the Shiny side up"

Hello,

More of a spontaneous collective consciousness, then?

--Anthony

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"In every war, the state enacts a tax of freedom upon the citizenry. The unspoken promise is that the tax shall be revoked at war's end. Endless war holds no such promise. Hence, Eternal War is Eternal Slavery." --Admiral Robert J. Henner

OONJERAH

Thursday, February 16, 2012 5:48 AM

My Granny used to say, "Jesus was a Jew." Meaning that it is very wrong to hate them. Yet many do hate them,
& they've been persecuted for 2,000 years.

When people in this country heard about what the Nazis were doing to the German Jews ... well, that was just
too unpleasant; most of us denied it, ignored it. Then Hitler began to roll over his neighbors, and WWII began
in ernest. WWI had taught us a hard lesson; we were not about to get involved in another European fire storm.

Mostly, everything I know about the Jews, I learned in the movies, produced in studios owned by Jews.

Gentleman's Agreement, 1947, Gregory Peck. "A reporter pretends to be Jewish in order to cover a story
on anti-Semitism, and personally discovers the true depths of bigotry and hatred." (in America)

Exodus, 1960, Paul Newman. "The theme is the founding of the state of Israel.
The action begins on a ship filled with Jewish immigrants bound for Israel who are being off loaded on Cyprus.
An Intelligence officer succeeds in getting them back on board their ship only to have the harbor blocked by
the British with whom they must negotiate. The second part of the film is about the situation in Israel as
independence is declared and most of their neighbors attack them."

I may watch movies about WWII, but I avoid those where a primary theme is the Jews suffering in Nazi concentration
camps. I've seen a lot of terrible pictures of the camps after the Allies liberated them. I can't unsee 'em, and
I don't try.

I avoid this stuff, but never pretend it didn't happen. It was the worst thing that could be done to any people.

There was no place for them to go for a long time after the war. Israel finally took them in. My guess, since I
avoid these things, is that their leaders made a vow that they would never be landless nor victimized again.

No one has ever had a greater reason for militancy.

No even us here in the USA.
On Dec 7, 1941, the Japanese attacked our base at Pearl Harbor without warning or provocation.
We too decided to never be victimized again. Thus in spite of a clear warning from President Eisenhower, this
country has become one big, military-industrial complex.

That's my perspective.

Much of the world fears us. Do all of Israel's neighbors fear her now?

"Iran goes after Israeli diplomats."

I didn't know that. I know the strife seems endless.

"All I suggest is a man hears what he wants to hear, and disregards the rest" ~Paul Simon

ANTHONYT

Thursday, February 16, 2012 5:52 AM

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Much of the world fears us. Do all of Israel's neighbors fear her now?

Hello,

Yes. But not as much as they should.

--Anthony

_______________________________________________

"In every war, the state enacts a tax of freedom upon the citizenry. The unspoken promise is that the tax shall be revoked at war's end. Endless war holds no such promise. Hence, Eternal War is Eternal Slavery." --Admiral Robert J. Henner

AURAPTOR

Thursday, February 16, 2012 2:42 PM

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Originally posted by Oonjerah:

That's my perspective.

Thanks for that. I think most folks have it in their heads that, what ever they feel about a topic, how ever they were told of something, is THE right way, and thus they base their views on that information. Right or wrong.

I've tried to be as open and honest about not only what I think , but WHY I think it. Sadly, some small minded types here only take that as opportunity to ridicule and attack, instead of honestly looking at themselves and even TRYING to have a sober, mature discussion.

" I do not love the bright sword for its sharpness, nor the arrow for its swiftness, nor the warrior for his glory. I love only that which they defend. "

ANTHONYT

Thursday, February 16, 2012 3:28 PM

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Originally posted by AURaptor:
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Originally posted by Oonjerah:

That's my perspective.

Thanks for that. I think most folks have it in their heads that, what ever they feel about a topic, how ever they were told of something, is THE right way, and thus they base their views on that information. Right or wrong.

I've tried to be as open and honest about not only what I think , but WHY I think it. Sadly, some small minded types here only take that as opportunity to ridicule and attack, instead of honestly looking at themselves and even TRYING to have a sober, mature discussion.

" I do not love the bright sword for its sharpness, nor the arrow for its swiftness, nor the warrior for his glory. I love only that which they defend. "

Hello,

I think we could all learn much from your words, Mr. Raptor.

--Anthony

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"In every war, the state enacts a tax of freedom upon the citizenry. The unspoken promise is that the tax shall be revoked at war's end. Endless war holds no such promise. Hence, Eternal War is Eternal Slavery." --Admiral Robert J. Henner

BYTEMITE

Thursday, February 16, 2012 3:36 PM

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Iran as a state funded source of TRUE global terrorism.

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And you seem to be forgetting that Iran has been exporting terrorism and death for quite some time. Normally, they outsource this sort of stuff to Hamas or Hezbollah, among others.

Wait a minute. The most Iran has had to do with Hamas is that they've supplied guns to them. Your Hamas example is more like a proxy war with some people committing war crimes.

Though, I guess, in fairness, I've argued that this was state sponsored terrorism when the U.S. did it in the Soviet-Afghanistan war. On the other hand, everyone told me then I was stretching it.

I dunno, I'm kind of inclined to say every nation is guilty. And if that's the case, it's kinda hypocritical to choose sides and fight a war over it. I especially don't want to jump into a fight before we've cross-checked and verified the background of these attackers.

BYTEMITE

Thursday, February 16, 2012 3:55 PM

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When people in this country heard about what the Nazis were doing to the German Jews ... well, that was just
too unpleasant; most of us denied it, ignored it. Then Hitler began to roll over his neighbors, and WWII began
in ernest. WWI had taught us a hard lesson; we were not about to get involved in another European fire storm.

Actually, the war covered most of the atrocities. We did know about Kristallnacht, but we didn't know the Jews taken then had been sent to anything like concentration camps until word managed to get out through various resistance groups. Definitely, we didn't know about the Final Solution, as that happened during the war, kind of towards the end as the Nazis realized they were losing and needed to hide the evidence before we found it. The British thought the reports of mass-killings they got from some escaped prisoners were exaggerated, and only when the allies got to the camps did they find out how bad it was.

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There was no place for them to go for a long time after the war. Israel finally took them in.

Not quite. There had been a long running movement for the creation of Israel, supported by both Jewish zionists and by those who disliked the Jews. Israel hadn't been recognized as a country yet (it was British controlled Palestine), but Nazi Germany was actually a big supporter of the idea, and they were gathering up and exiling Jews before they came up with the whole concentration camp thing (some went to Palestine, Einstein as you might recall went to America). And, in fact, there were a number of Jewish refugee groups that were pushing other countries to send Jews to Israel as Germany started to look like a bigger threat. Britain was one of the few that didn't go along with this, and decided to take in Jewish children into foster care from nations threatened by Germany (the Kindertransport program), but other nations took the refugee groups up on the offer.

However, you are right that even in America post war sometimes Jews weren't really wanted, and they were even less wanted in Europe, and the creation of Israel opened up a place for them to go.

FREMDFIRMA

Thursday, February 16, 2012 5:26 PM

And yet they went and did to Palestine exactly what the Germans did to them.

Which is one reason I have so little sympathy.

In their fear, they have become in many ways the very thing that once terrified them, and you know what *I* see, eighty-some years down the road ?

Palestine doin it to someone else.

The same dynamic that causes abused kids to become abusive parents, practiced on a national scale, and you gotta break the chain somewhere, else it goes on forever.

-Frem

I do not serve the Blind God.

OONJERAH

Thursday, February 16, 2012 9:03 PM

Quote ByteMite: "Actually, the war covered most of the atrocities. We did know about Kristallnacht,
but we didn't know the Jews taken then had been sent to anything like concentration camps ..."

During the Battle of Britain, what our government intelligence knew of the Jewish persecution and what we,
the general population were willing to acknowledge must have been quite different.

Most Americans (USA, not Canada) were unwilling to read the handwriting. Our own writing was, "Gee, Hitler's
almost sewn up Europe. It's nothing to do with US; there's a big pond between us." But when the Japanese
shoved the message at us rudely, along with the grief, most of us were suddenly pleased with an excuse to
roll and rock.

Quote ByteMite: "Not quite. There had been a long running movement for the creation of Israel, supported by
both Jewish zionists and by those who disliked the Jews. Israel hadn't been recognized as a country yet
(it was British controlled Palestine),"

Thanks much. Always nice to have some facts to clarify/correct my impressions.

Quote FremdFirma: "And yet they went and did to Palestine exactly what the Germans did to them."

Me: Forever lame on world events. Truly unaware of Israeli atrocities.

Some people, being abused, react with horror, and cultivate kindness in reaction to it. The more common
reaction is to nurse the fear and anger, then look for scapegoats. I often say the Old and New Testaments
of our Christian Bible preach opposite values. The Old wants an eye for an eye; the New advises compassion.

Paraphrasing Kwicko's signature: "Although it is not true that all vengeance seekers are stupid people,
it is true that most stupid people are vengeance seekers."
That's my observation.

"All I suggest is a man hears what he wants to hear, and disregards the rest" ~Paul Simon

BYTEMITE

Thursday, February 16, 2012 9:23 PM

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Most Americans (USA, not Canada) were unwilling to read the handwriting. Our own writing was, "Gee, Hitler's
almost sewn up Europe. It's nothing to do with US; there's a big pond between us." But when the Japanese
shoved the message at us rudely, along with the grief, most of us were suddenly pleased with an excuse to
roll and rock.

Well, technically we were running supply ships to Britain before then (U-boats attacked a lot of convoys), and we were also already fighting against Japan when they attacked us. Pearl Harbor did lead to a formal declaration of war, but we actually were involved before then. Americans were rather divided about getting officially involved (sending troops), and Pearl Harbor consolidated support for that.

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During the Battle of Britain, what our government intelligence knew of the Jewish persecution and what we,
the general population were willing to acknowledge must have been quite different.

Kristallnacht was 1938. The Brits first heard about the concentration camps in 1940. They only started to believe some of the reports in 1943, and were still taken by surprise by the sheer scope of the atrocity in 1945.

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Truly unaware of Israeli atrocities.

They used white phosphorus on palestinian civilians a few times. It was pretty bad.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/White_Phosphorous#Gaza_War_.282008.E2.80.
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