The origins of the gimmie-gimmie mentaltiy ? The entitlement mindset.
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Yeah, I can, when the choices of having kids becomes a burden on society, and endangers the health and well being of her other kids. It's not the fact that she's having kids, or so many, but that she refuses to take ANY responsibility.
The only reason it is a burden on society is because we choose to not abandon those kids and let them die. If we as a society decided that we would not support those kids there would be no burden.
And by 'we', you don't mean her local community, a church, or any private organization.. you mean the state govt, right ? Gotchya.
Quote:Yeah, concept of personal responsibility just not something that registers with you, is it ?
Here what I find funny. You talk about how this burden on society should not be allowed to happen but will scream about something like universal health care.
Quote:If she can pay for them, she can have as many as she wishes. That's freedom. Having one kid after another, damn the consequences, and not providing for them, that's not freedom, that's criminal.
Sorry you can't believe in freedom and say that we should take away someones freedom to have children. Doing so make you a hypocrite.
"The world is a dangerous place. Not because of the people who are evil; but because of the people who don't do anything about it." - Albert Einstein
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Originally posted by chrisisall:Quote:...And it's okay to act on incomplete intel & what someone TELLS you.
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As for the issue of WMD, yeah, the intel was incomplete, and much of what we were TOLD was not the case.
That's how the real world works, Chris. Your CIA director says the evidence is a " slam dunk ", you take that into consideration, with all the other evidence you have, and you make a decision.
"The world is a dangerous place. Not because of the people who are evil; but because of the people who don't do anything about it." - Albert Einstein
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THEN WHY DO YOU RESPOND TO HIM?? I'll keep on asking...
You're so consistent it infuriates me?
Chris, I'm ashamed of you. That post sounds distinctly Mike-ish or Sig-ish or Story-ish. You can do MUCH better, I know you can...where's your wonderful, magnificent satirical humor? It's really the ONLY way to respond to Raptor--at least that provides humor for everyone, not just wasted time for you.
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Originally posted by AURaptor:
And by 'we', you don't mean her local community, a church, or any private organization.. you mean the state govt, right ? Gotchya.
Your funny! By we I mean any or all of the above.
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Originally posted by AURaptor:Yeah, concept of personal responsibility just not something that registers with you, is it ?
Did you forget that I agree with you that she should have the children taken away from her?
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Originally posted by AURaptor:If she can pay for them, she can have as many as she wishes. That's freedom. Having one kid after another, damn the consequences, and not providing for them, that's not freedom, that's criminal.
Oh, so freedom depends on ones ability to pay. So does that mean the rich have more freedom then the poor?
I believe you have argued before that part of freedom is being able to make bad choices. The problem you are having is that you are not willing to say society should just abandon those children, but don't like the idea of having to care for them. so you want to put limits on a persons ability to make the wrong choice and have kids they can't pay for. Any way you slice it that is taking away their freedom.
Sometimes in a free and moral society we are forced to pay for others mistakes. The only way around that is to give up freedom or morality.
I do not fear God, I fear the ignorance of man.
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And yet another thread centered on people responding to little Rappy's childish tantrums.
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Originally posted by M52NICKERSON:
Oh, so freedom depends on ones ability to pay. So does that mean the rich have more freedom then the poor?
Same freedoms, just more opportunities to enjoy it. I can't jet over to London to see a play ( well, not very often ) , or to Paris to go shopping, but those who have enough $ can. Should my inability to do so keep others from doing what they want? And yes, if you can afford to have more kids , by all means, go for it.
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I believe you have argued before that part of freedom is being able to make bad choices. The problem you are having is that you are not willing to say society should just abandon those children, but don't like the idea of having to care for them. so you want to put limits on a persons ability to make the wrong choice and have kids they can't pay for. Any way you slice it that is taking away their freedom.
Sometimes in a free and moral society we are forced to pay for others mistakes. The only way around that is to give up freedom or morality.
1 'mistake' is getting knocked up, at 15 or so, unexpectedly. Or maybe a couple of times. Not 15 times, by 3 guys, never being married. That's not an 'ooops'.
"The world is a dangerous place. Not because of the people who are evil; but because of the people who don't do anything about it." - Albert Einstein
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Same freedoms, just more opportunities to enjoy it. I can't jet over to London to see a play ( well, not very often ) , or to Paris to go shopping, but those who have enough $ can. Should my inability to do so keep others from doing what they want? And yes, if you can afford to have more kids , by all means, go for it.
Yes, you can do those things if you have the money. Of course the government is not going to stop you from spending all your money in doing so. Getting pregnant does not cost money so it is a freedom open to any women. Forcing her to not get pregnant or preventing her from doing so makes it a freedom based how much money they have. That is not the same freedoms.
quote]Originally posted by AURaptor:I 'mistake' is getting knocked up, at 15 or so, unexpectedly. Or maybe a couple of times. Not 15 times, by 3 guys, never being married. That's not an 'ooops'.
Your right, it is a bunch of vary bad choices. For people to have freedom you still have to allow people to make those.
"The world is a dangerous place. Not because of the people who are evil; but because of the people who don't do anything about it." - Albert Einstein
I do not fear God, I fear the ignorance of man.
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And yet another thread centered on people responding to little Rappy's childish tantrums.
While I don't share the animosity, I do see a pointlessness in the exercise. How many people will expend how much effort arguing from intractable positions?
That's what a ship is, you know - it's not just a keel and a hull and a deck and sails, that's what a ship needs.
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"How many people will expend how much effort arguing from intractable positions?"
Sadly, with many posters here, that is the history of this thread from day one.
Name me any one person who has changed their mind about anything in all these years.
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I've read a lot of stuff that has made me think, see things from a different viewpoint and maybe even tinkered with some of my believe systems.
You may not go from being a die hard republican to a strident socialist, but there may be some areas where you think a little differently.
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