The origins of the gimmie-gimmie mentaltiy ? The entitlement mindset.
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Sig - my views aren't in the least 'fact free', but based in the writings of the US Constitution. Try giving it a read, sometime.
As for my views and the similarity to Rush ( or any other on-air conservative ), you have it completely backwards. They're not popular because so many folks " buy " into what they're saying, but because so many already FEEL that way to begin with, that their points of view strike a chord w/ the public. Claims of 'puppets', 'mind numbed robots ', etc... have been raised since Rush was first on the air. But his critics have it 180degrees backwards. I was already thinking this stuff, before Rush.
I'm pretty sure it was well before the economy crashed that I made that comment about it being on 'fire'. And even if the comment was a bit of hyperbole, ( it was ) that was only in retaliation to the non stop claims of how BAD the economy had been, for months , if not years. Compared to what we have now, yes, the economy WAS on fire. So, no contradiction there.
WMD ? Are you serious ? That's not even worth my time to respond. Next.
So, in YOUR mind, this lady should be "free " to have as many kids as she wants, regardless of her ability to take care of them, and put as much strain on the social services as she damn well pleases? Sorry, that ain't freedom. That's recklessness, and child cruelty.
Yes, be greedy as you want to be, because 'greed' can't be defined. But as long as you're not breaking any laws, if $ is what you value most, and you're good at making it, who the hell is Obama - " at some point, I think you've made enough money " to tell anyone how much money they've made is TOO much ???
When one EARNS their money, from work, that's not the same as the govt coming in and TAKING it from you, or some unfit mother DEMANDING society take care of HER children. It's NOT the same, and how dare even try to compare them to being equal.
You could go on, misrepresenting my views, or having 1/2 a conversation w/ yourself, and ignoring anything I have to say, but there's other stuff to do. 
"The world is a dangerous place. Not because of the people who are evil; but because of the people who don't do anything about it." - Albert Einstein
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Rap,
I know you would never use child social services, maybe this is the price of using them, and we should have two societies, a socialist one for those who want it, and they can deal with the consequences.
That's what a ship is, you know - it's not just a keel and a hull and a deck and sails, that's what a ship needs.
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Originally posted by AURaptor:
Again, you miss the point. She can have 500 children, but the issue of entitlement centers on her not being able to pay for ONE of them, and expecting society to carry her load.
With freedom comes that right and that cost.
I do not fear God, I fear the ignorance of man.
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Originally posted by M52NICKERSON:Quote:
Originally posted by AURaptor:
Again, you miss the point. She can have 500 children, but the issue of entitlement centers on her not being able to pay for ONE of them, and expecting society to carry her load.
With freedom comes that right and that cost.
I do not fear God, I fear the ignorance of man.
Your view of freedom is far different than mine. She had no 'right' to take from society with so little regard. That's not 'freedom', that's selfishness and an abuse of society's generosity.
"The world is a dangerous place. Not because of the people who are evil; but because of the people who don't do anything about it." - Albert Einstein
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Originally posted by dreamtrove:
Rap,
I know you would never use child social services, maybe this is the price of using them, and we should have two societies, a socialist one for those who want it, and they can deal with the consequences.
The problem w/ that idea is that there'll always be politicians who'll use the cover of 'compassion' to draw more and more $ from the producers in society , under the guise of CARING for the poor, who have chosen to follow the socialist way. It's how the Dems win votes now. They promise all sorts of govt benefits, at a cost we can't afford, and then the GOP comes and tries to instill order and sanity to the spending, and the Dems scream and bitch about the EVIL GOP, and how they want to take your social security, take your medicare, take your healthcare, take food from your children and stop serving them 3 meals a day at school, etc... it's nanny state gone amok.
"The world is a dangerous place. Not because of the people who are evil; but because of the people who don't do anything about it." - Albert Einstein
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Okay, it is nanny state run amok, but I think the picture is a little more sinister.
The dems promise services *knowing* that the gop will shoot it down, and they can then blame the lack of services on the republicans. Meanwhile, I think the GOP will promise responsibility but then allow themselves to be overrun with dem spending increases because they want the money for their own projects, like the american empire.
It's good cop/bad cop, but at the end of the day, they're both cop.
What I was suggesting is separate systems. Let the socialists pay into the socialist system and get the social services out of it. There are plenty of wealthy socialists out there. I just don't want to live in the result.
That's what a ship is, you know - it's not just a keel and a hull and a deck and sails, that's what a ship needs.
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Originally posted by AURaptor:Quote:
Originally posted by M52NICKERSON:
With freedom comes that right and that cost.
Your view of freedom is far different than mine.
I think this hits the heart of the matter. I suspect that there are maybe half a dozen here who share Nick's view of freedom, but it's very far from mine, even though I'm still at least technically a democrat.
I would say that freedom is self determination, a society in which people are free and not a society in which goods and services are free.
There are probably more different versions of freedom, like Rap said, for some reason, that Bush was a defender of freedom, okay, he implied that. I think my view of freedom includes the freedom to be an islamic jihadist, and I think there are half a dozen people on the board who share that view.
So, while there might be many definitions, I think they probably distill down to half a dozen or so sets of views of generally what freedom is. There are at least three I see here pretty strongly. One is Hero-Rap-Jong and maybe Wulfie, one I would share with CTS-Byte and probably Frem-Anthony and one that Kiki-Magon-Sig-Niki share.
I guess I'd classify them something like this:
One that wants to shield society from the bad people;
One that wants to run society as a social safety net;
and one that is no shield, no net.
That's what a ship is, you know - it's not just a keel and a hull and a deck and sails, that's what a ship needs.
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Originally posted by AURaptor:
Your view of freedom is far different than mine. She had no 'right' to take from society with so little regard. That's not 'freedom', that's selfishness and an abuse of society's generosity.
You can't have claim to believe in freedom and want to dictate to people when and if they can have children.
Some people will always take advantage of the generosity and freedoms of society. As I said that is part of their costs.
I do not fear God, I fear the ignorance of man.
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Originally posted by dreamtrove:
I would say that freedom is self determination, a society in which people are free and not a society in which goods and services are free.
My view of freedom have nothing to do with goods and services being free. If someone was to say that they don't think those kids should get any support at all but still allow the mother to have more children that would still be a free society. Just not a very good one.
Freedom and good do not always walk hand in hand.
I do not fear God, I fear the ignorance of man.
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