Giant Angel Spoiler link-- How the Series ends.

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UPDATED: Thursday, May 20, 2004 05:49
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PARADIGMSHIFT

Wednesday, April 21, 2004 7:11 PM

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I've been thinking about the series, adn what it's about. As many awesome battles and ass-kicking as I've seen, that's nto what it's about, i think. It's about redemption and salvation.

It's what every character wants. Angel wants it, Spike wants it, Gunn wants it, Wes wants it. I once heard a very interesting observation that most people's good is superficial, but so, if you think about it, is their bad. You have to break through the good to get to the bad, and, when you finally break through their bad, you find something that is good once more, just a far mroe complex form of good, if you follow me. Maybe I'm making no sense, but that's what I see in this series. The good of the characters is superficial, and we've broken through it and now we can see their bad, plainly exposed.

But we're not done, and that's what I'd like to see in the finale: pulling back that last layer, and revealing that they are good, and letting them realize it.

becasue, in the end, the show's not about the showdown with the senior partners. It's about the characters, and their crawling toward redemption.

At least, that's the way I see it.

"Once, just once, I'd like to be able to land someplace and say, 'Behold, I am the Archangel Gabriel.'"
"I fail to see the humor in that situation, Doctor."
"Naturally. You could hardly claim to be an angel with those pointed ears, Mister Spock. But say you landed someplace with a pitchfork . . ."
-McCoy and Spock

SHADOWVESSEL

Friday, April 23, 2004 3:07 AM

OK, for one, I think we're far enough down the page to not worry about the spoiler cloaks anymore. But, since I don't want to be the one who messes up the whole flow of the page, I'll stick to it.

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For two, Joss said in more than one interview long ago that if he ever ended Angel that he'd kill everybody off. So, when I read the news originally on Spoilerfix I wasn't that surprised. Like you, I was wandering how in the hell he planned on making a continuation of the story if everyone was dead. But, I also read on Spoilerfix that a Buffy movie was on the agenda as well. That's when it hit me. What if they bring the entire Jossverse together again like the good ol' days of Buffy seasons 2 and 3? Only now it's five years later. I always felt the more characters they brought in on the show, the more it took away from the characterization of the man himself, Angel. Take a look at season 1 of Angel, or even season 1 of Buffy, and look at the difference in his character (not to mention the physical differences). Hell, just take a look at his character differences between his appearances from Angel to Buffy. Anyway, I think it would be great if the whole big damn shindig could be brought back to it's roots. Even channel-wise, on the WB. I mean, how great would season 6 of Buffy would've been if they'd only turned it into a movie of the week? Seriously. So, with that in mind, it could be the best thing to happen to both series by doing a 2 to 6 TV movie deal. Think about it, Angel, Spike, and Conner ('cause I'm really not thinking that Illyria's gonna be hanging out afterwards even if she doesn't die. It's quite possible she could take the Senior Partners place if they succeed in taking them out, hence the next possible storyline) teamed up with Buffy, Faith, Willow, Giles, and the rest of the Scooby team. Oh wait, now that's a Scooby ARMY, isn't it? And I'd still like to see Angel or Conner, or even Spike or anybody for that matter, to slap Xander around for making some lewd comment towards the vampire champions and son. I'd like to see Conner, the one and only Destroyer, hook up with a nice Slayer. Destroyer/Slayer, I've always liked that play on words/gender. I'd like to see what happened to the psycho Slayer. Maybe Conner could help her out in some way seeing how he was once psycho. I'd like to see how the cyborg story turns out and if the new Watcher's Council really is involved. And most of all, call me sentimental, I'd like to see Angel bgecome human and walk off into the sunset with Buffy. These are all possible story points for seperate TV movies that may never come to pass, but I have hope. The only thing that worries me about the series finale of Angel is that it will be played down. That all of these important dramatic events that end these characters who have given us chills and laughs and tears (and have gotten out of several apocalypses) over the years, won't be treated as such. Anybody remember Highlander season 1 when Tess was shot by a freakin' mugger after goin' through the shit she had? That's what I'm scared of. That and chickens.

'Nuff said.

Just food for thought.

I too am a spoiler junkie who's sanity is held together by the great art of advanced information. Only for TV, though. I'm really trying not to read too much on Serenity, with great failure, however.

Here's to Joss and his creative ass.

"I'll be in my bunk."

DELIA

Saturday, April 24, 2004 10:26 PM

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Hmmmm. After this week's episode, I'm thinking Wesley is done for. Because they've gotten him to a place where there's really nothing left for him to do but die. He's got nothing left to lose. Very depressing.

ShadowVessel, you said you wanted Angel and Buffy to stroll off into the sunset. I wanted Fred and Wes to retire to some little town somewhere and like teach college and raise puppies. But that's the genius of Joss, he doesn't necessarily give you what you want.

If they do do these movie things, I would very much like for it to involve people from both series (assuming they're not to busy making films like Scooby-Doo 14: More Bad Guys In Masks). That would be cool. And we can all take comfort in the fact that people don't seem to STAY dead in the Buffyverse; at the very least they come back as non-corporeal evil beings or visions in dreams.

OK, so the spoiler tags thing is getting kind of silly, this far down the page. . .

SHADOWVESSEL

Sunday, April 25, 2004 12:24 AM

Yes it has, Delia. But I think it's taken on a life of its own by now. So...

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Poor Wes has taken over the dark Angel aspect of the show. He's been given the shortest straw of the group, in my opinion. After Fred died I knew the only thing left for him was death. I only hope that he finds the peace in death that he didn't have in life. He was actually the coolest character of the show since season 4. He became the Batman of the group. As far as Gunn dying... I'm really not that hurt. He hasn't been much of a character contributer to the show. Hopefully Joss will be able to pull everybody together he wants for the movies and won't disappoint with the stories. I think they delivered great with Conner's story. All the Sh*t he and Angel went through since the end of season 3 that Holtz and Sahja put them through was made right. So maybe there is hope for a happy ending to the Buffy/Angelverse.

Later, folks.

"I'll be in my bunk."

DELIA

Sunday, April 25, 2004 12:56 AM

Well, I suppose it's possible that a spoiler-phobic person could have wandered onto this thread (despite the warning in the title) and managed to scroll all the way down without meaning, too. Right? Just in case . . .

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I have hope for Angel and Connor. It surprised me, because I loathed Connor during seasons 3 and 4; he was a one note character and I got tired of it. It was a pleasant surprise to care about him this past week.

As for Gunn, it would have to be a pretty impressive death to hit me very hard. I've never really connected with him overly much. He had some great moments, and J August Richards is great, but he's just not one of my favorites.

I think you're right about Wes; it's almost the kindest thing to do at this point, to let him die. I mean, what's left to take from him? (Of course, he could buy a used spaceship and set off for the border planets and assemble a motley crew to become a sort of second family and -- oh wait, I think that's been done.

Still, I would miss Alexis Denisof if he weren't around for the movies. And Wes is the only (non-title) character left who was there almost at the beginning (give or take 9 or so episodes). One of the things that I loved about Buffy was that little core of four (Buffy, Willow, Xander and Giles) who were all still there at the end (though Giles disappeared in the middle for a while). I think AtS needs more of an anchor than just Angel. Well, maybe Cordy will find her way back. . .

SUCCATASH

Thursday, May 20, 2004 3:59 AM

Pretty accurate spoiler, I'm glad I didn't read it until now.

QUICKSAND

Thursday, May 20, 2004 5:49 AM

Oh, I just wanted to mention that people who post Spoilers, Summaries, or Links to Such are giant, immature Attention Whores.

You are the people who snuck into your parents closet and peeked at all your presents a week before Christmas.

Yes, it's my choice not to look at spoilers, and I don't. But you're spoiling it for the weak... most likely because you are all immature Attention Whores.

Luckily, you have nothing more to spoil.

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