Wisconsin protests and the lies about the 'shortfall'
POSTED BY: Niki2
UPDATED: Friday, April 7, 2023 15:36
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In case anyone chooses to doubt it, the story is carried HERE.
From Cairo to Madison, some pizza
http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0211/49888.html
Both vans are on site now, the one with the observation ballon and signal monitoring equipment, as a deterrent to any aggression from Walkers goons, cause according to some sources he's about frothing at the mouth in rage after the National Guard told him where to stick it - he wants those people to shut up and go away, and in his current mental state, doesn't much give a fuck about doin it by the rules.
(He's sent state troopers to harrass them with additional verbal orders he insisted upon giving in private)
Ergo, one eye in the sky, courtesy of the ballon, which uses cabling instead of wireless and thus cannot be jammed - although having spotted it in the background of some of the images from the Indymedia team, imma have to have a chat with Justin about some smartass painting an eye on it, that just looks creepy.
The other van is the one used for first aid and medevac, since conventional ambulance services tend to be unreliable if a situation goes south, and given what happened last time (the police SHOT at it when it ran the barricade with someone in respiratory distress from their teargas attack onboard) it's been reinforced with a 1/4" of GE/SABIN Lexan which offers some resistance from small arms.
Much as I hate the damn Huff-n-Puff post, Jordan Z blows it out of the park when it comes to priorities here.
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/jordan-zakarin/the-attack-on-public-work
ers_b_825888.html
Not to mention, yanno, all that money for war-war-war, and for what ?
Also, the SEIU and AFL-CIO (who we've still not forgiven for that punk Sam Gompers) have thrown their hats in the ring too, because as the SEIU rep stated, this *IS* effectively a class war, and were it just a spat between a union and a governor, it would not be such an issue - but under that guise one of our rights itself is under attack, and despite every attempt by the media shills and the bastards of the world to obfuscate or minimize this, people DO know it.
And of course, the IWW - I'll quote both official statements here.
02-19-11
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Right now in Wisconsin public workers from across the state, supported by private sector workers, students young and old, retirees, labor activists and more, are holding unprecedented protests in Madison against the utterly dictatorial move by Governor Scott Walker to gut their collective bargaining rights.
After giving $140 million to special interest groups in January, many of whom donated to Republican campaigns and to the Governor himself, Walker is now attempting to strip Wisconsin's state workers of their hard-won right to collectively bargain over the conditions of their labor under the guise of filling a claimed $137 million budget shortfall.
A similar bill has been introduced in Ohio, and Republican Sen. Jane Cunningham in Missouri has also introduced a bill to strip state law of all Child Labor protections.
In light of these increasing attacks on the working class, We, the Steering Committee and Central Secretary Treasurer of the General Defense Committee of the Industrial Workers of the World, stand firmly behind all workers fighting back. We extend Solidarity to all workers, union or non-union, fighting back against the Capitalist class trying to return us to conditions not found since the Industrial Revolution.
As our primary mission is to offer solidarity and defense help to any workers imprisoned, arrested, attacked, or punished by the State in any way in fighting the class war, the GDC of the IWW is here to offer any and all help we can during these times, and during all labor struggles.An injury to one is an injury to ALL!
Solidarity Forever!
Signed,
Central Secretary-Treasurer:
Steven Ayers
Steering Committee:
Chuck Bailey
Eric Zenke
Marie Mason.
And 02-20-11
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FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE:
Contact:
Sam Green
773-857-1090
INDUSTRIAL WORKERS OF THE WORLD STATEMENT ON WISCONSIN SBNOTIFY: N | REPLY | REPLY WITH QUOTE | PERMALINK | TOP | HOME
UPDATE: Apparently Tom Morello is en-route, planning to support the protestors and perhaps throw a couple tunes down, in his solo persona as The Nightwatchman.
I've sent a note on specifically requesting him to cover Buffalo Springfield FWIW, if he gets the chance.
Also: THIS.
http://www.regressiveantidote.net/Articles/Waking_Up_In_Wisconsin.html
-F
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I tend to be pro-union, the workers need rights. I also understand that employers (particularly in small businesses) have things they need too. Ballance is the key. But yeah, I'm pro-union, so I feel that to make a rule in Wisconsin that they can't have a union with bargaining abilities anymore is wrong.
I agree that we shouldn't compare this to Egypt, I don't feel it matches up enough to compare without looking silly.
Caneman, your comment about Frem's leg was disgusting, I guess I know who I can't trust around here. I do agree with you though that states' rights are quite important and that more things should be decided in that capacity. I feel that some things should be federally mandated, but states should be able to decide more than they get to now.
"A completely coherant River means writers don't deliver" KatTaya
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To 1kiki: the road rules are actually not so arbitrary.
In England, driving on the left side of the road comes from medieval times, when men on horseback wanted their sword arm to the center of the road when passing someone going the opposite direction. (True story!)
In America, the opposite is true, perhaps because guys on horseback actually didn't want to fight everyone passing them.
As for the mayor versus the union, I'm having trouble as seeing it as anything more than an inter-departmental fight between two groups of government, the bureaucrats and the administration. But perhaps I don't understand it very well.
In any case, the mayor trying to call in the national guard and federal intervention is pretty damn pathetic, and is probably enough reason for me to route against him, that and him being a mayor, and probably therefore corrupt.
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Originally posted by RionaEire:
I tend to be pro-union, the workers need rights. I also understand that employers (particularly in small businesses) have things they need too. Ballance is the key. But yeah, I'm pro-union, so I feel that to make a rule in Wisconsin that they can't have a union with bargaining abilities anymore is wrong.
I agree that we shouldn't compare this to Egypt, I don't feel it matches up enough to compare without looking silly.
Caneman, your comment about Frem's leg was disgusting, I guess I know who I can't trust around here. I do agree with you though that states' rights are quite important and that more things should be decided in that capacity. I feel that some things should be federally mandated, but states should be able to decide more than they get to now.
"A completely coherant River means writers don't deliver" KatTaya
Hey, I'm pro-union in the private sector....just not in public service jobs. They bully lawmakers and make it impossible to have a society that can sustain itself and give services at a just rate....
See, politicians come and go union bosses are there forever...bleeding the state. When civil servant jobs pay twice the private rate...something is wrong and unsustainable.
Don't believe me? look around at what civil servants get, are owed in pensions, and what the outcome will be. They are paid not by corporations...they get their $65,000 dollar civil servant job on the back of the grocery store bagger, waitress, stock brocker, doctor, landscapper,...etc
fucking gross. stealing and demanding what hard workers have to pay to get basic government services.....sick really.
When a cop can retire in New Haven Ct at the old age of 52 making 75,000, but collect a 100,000 pension for life(35+yrs) something is wrong.
Talk about workers rights? What about the rights of the working tax payers that pay this union thuggery? You know us.
What right do these people have to bankrupt states, counties, and the nation when un-unionized WORKERS will do it at a market cost.
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Kaneman (I found the K key :) you make some reasonable points here, those public workers do make a lot of money for retirement. I'm not as informed on the situation as others here. But I'm pro-union as a general rule and so I don't like the idea of bargaining rights being taken away. I tend to sympathize more with company unions than I do with public ones, but I wouldn't say the public workers shouldn't be allowed to have them and get some bargaining rights. I do think though that they need to use those rights wisely and not take advantage of them, something I know does happen.
"A completely coherant River means writers don't deliver" KatTaya
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Wow. A rational non-snarky answer!! Man, you are in the wrong place. Good luck. Got my respect.
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Actually, one of the organizers sent me about as flawless an explaination of WHY this is effectively class warfare as you'll ever read.
Here's the link for you.
(Despite me being even LESS fond of DailyKook than HuffnPuff post, but when the tame lapdog media won't print the good stuff...)
http://www.dailykos.com/story/2011/02/21/947554/-Slave-LaborMoney-trai
l-leads-to-Koch-Brothers-and-Conservatives-who-want-your-job!
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Instead while we cried and the rest of the world wept for us, he chose to "lead" us from the back, herding us like cattle into pens and corrals set-up by Corporations such as Koch Industries, and conservative organizations like ALEC, the Heritage and Reason Foundations. Once there he left us to their manipulations and exploitation to take our savings, pensions, retirement, social security and dignity - as Americans and humans. After taking as much of that as they could lay their hands on, they began taking our homes, vehicles and then went after our jobs and fair wages. Not finished with us, these same corporate interests and Conservatives that developed and funded Bush's agenda turned to putting as many of us in prison as they could, so more money could be earned off of privatized prisons and prison industries. Many of these Conservatives remain in power, influential and still in denial as to the true history of the Bush Administration, continuing to deny that people all over the world disappeared during the Bush years, that torture was not only committed, but condoned by the White House and done proudly in the name of the U.S.
It's Neo-Feudalism with a Fascist twist right out Mussolinis economic agendas, would that these bastards end up the same way...
And of course I wouldn't be too trusting of those pensions, ask many workers, even union workers, who paid and paid and paid into one for decades only to get "Whoopsie, we looted it and fled to the caymans, too bad, so sad, SUCKER!!"
Hell, for that matter look at the folk who paid into social security for 50 some years, only to have the deal changed on them and many of the expected services (dental, eyewear, yanno, two of the things most old geezers NEED) hacked right out - that's like makin the payments on a fucking Porsche and being handed a Yugo, isn't it ?
One thing I am really vicious about, personally, to the point where even the US Military got their fingers burned, is that YOU DO NOT BREAK CONTRACT WITH ME - cause right or wrong, we had a deal, see ?
And changing the deal AFTER the other guy has paid, well that's bullshit, and I am ALL in favor of Auntie Entity's solution to that problem.
Anyhows, does anyone here really, REALLY think they're actually gonna GET any of that money they're payin into some pension or social security back when they retire, IF they survive to retire, by which time inflation and cost of living increases (without wage increases, which have been flat as a fuckin flapjack since the goddamn 70's) will have chewed the value out of it till the payment itself would be insultingly small...
Ergo, I reject the pension argument, for that reason, and for the fact that Walker deliberately added 140 million of pure pork, THEN claimed a 137 million shortfall - this is not coincidence.
Oh, and those rightwingnuts out there pelted the catering truck with rocks, being their typical bully-dickhead-coward selves, chuck and run, of course, not too much damage and no major injuries, but some of the glass is going to have to be replaced.
-Frem
I do not serve the Blind God.
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Rising crime and thefts
union reforms
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Other developments... gossip that ' pink haired weirdos who went to the old folks homes and offered them ice cream for their signatures'?
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