Oppositional Defiant Disorder
POSTED BY: Bytemite
UPDATED: Wednesday, February 9, 2011 04:51
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Originally posted by Wulfenstar:
deal with people like Story and Nicki, and may end up with custody of the kid.
That's twice this week you've gone with the "people like" comment.
I wonder in this case, what you mean? People like me, who know what they're talking about (note that I never encouraged putting the kid on drugs, I just pointed out your incorreect assumption), as opposed to someone like you, who is ignorant of simple facts?
Once again, Wulfie, you reveal how intelectually stunted you are.
"I thoroughly disapprove of duels. If a man should challenge me, I would take him kindly and forgivingly by the hand and lead him to a quiet place and kill him."
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Originally posted by TheHappyTrader:
Anyhow, funny thing was, these ADHD kids didn't seem to have those problems in music class. Perhaps it was the challenge or maybe music is just shiny like that.
That's fairly common. Rythm often helps ADHD kids focus more easily.
"I thoroughly disapprove of duels. If a man should challenge me, I would take him kindly and forgivingly by the hand and lead him to a quiet place and kill him."
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Its nice to be so reviled that I'm followed.
But really.
You CAN do something. Its just how far are you willing to go?
"Hope is a good thing, maybe the best of things, and no good thing ever dies"
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Can you ever be man enough to honestly answer a question?
"I thoroughly disapprove of duels. If a man should challenge me, I would take him kindly and forgivingly by the hand and lead him to a quiet place and kill him."
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I tried scaring his mom by pointing out this crap can permanently alter brain chemistry, and probably already has.
I know what you mean Wulf, about what else I could do. It's not a step I'm prepared to take, I have no means to support a kid, I barely get by on my own. But maybe the third option is to find out who his pill-shilling quack of a school doctor is and expose the asshole if I find anything.
EDIT: Also apparently the main problem is with a teacher he has had this year. He has not had problems with other teachers.
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Originally posted by Bytemite:
I have a cousin who is a child savant. He was taking apart cars, motorcycles, VCRs and tvs fixing them, and putting them back together by the time he was five. He's also a math genius who is not challenged at all in school. He's in the third grade.
They had him on ADHD medication because he was bored out of his mind and wouldn't focus or do his school work. The medication made him aggressive, which was not his normal personality, so now they diagnosed him with Oppositional Defiant Disorder, put him on some new medication in addition to the ADHD medication.
My aunt is singing the praises of the medication because he's "such an angel now, always does what he's told."
...They're RUINING him. ._.
Sounds awful, Byte. I hate that ODD diagnosis, in old terms it just means 'badly behaved'.
There are a many, many ways to support a child with behavioural issues, rather than pathologising amd medicating, and I think all those should be explored thoroughly before medication is used. Trouble is, a lot of that involves parents and teachers changing what they do, and take time and patience, and in this quick fix society, that all seems too hard.
Some school environments just don't suit a lot of kids. Sitting hour after hour in a classroom is akin to torture for a lot, particularly boys. I wonder why we expect it to be okay. Schools which have developmental curriculums and self paced learning can be really good for kids like this, as well as learning environments where there is plenty of outdoors learning through doing. Unfortunately, if you watch caged animals, they display similar sorts of behaviours.
EDIT
Wulf is right in one respect. Diet can have a big affect on kids behaviour. Taking away the preservatives and additives and colourings, and instead eating fresh has had a positive benefit for many kids. But there may be many causes. It may be he is bored. It may be the kind of parenting he gets. It may be some sort of attchment disorder. Needs some careful thinking about how to support this kid so that he can grow up okay, not just a passive automoton.
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Those are some ideas, maybe I can talk to his parents about those as well. A different school may not be an option, his family doesn't have much money. But other things could be tried.
It's just the parents are happy with the drugs, and people I know aren't apt to listen to me. But I'll give it a shot.
His family is estranged from mine, we only started to get back together because of my grandmother needing some looking after. But all of us always thought he was a great kid. It's just a shame to see this happen. I want to help somehow.
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It must be tough to stand by and feel so helpless, Byte, and in the end there is probably little you can do but give some gentle suggestions about trying other stuff. But they may not take them on if the medication has the desired result.
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The first step is to get him out of there. School, that is. The new education system is clearly insane. I hear stories on this board about conditioning, discipline and drugs. I think it's insane. I didn't actually go to school, so I don't have a frame of reference, but I'm convinced that the US has turned into some absurdly backwards police state, at least as far as its treatment of children goes.
After that, I can help, I know a lot about brain chemistry, and how to dial it down, and deal with chemical dependencies and disruptions.
When Frem first posted ODD I thought it was a joke, so I looked it up, and I think my response to him was "Oh, I see, they've now diagnosed and cured a condition we used to call 'kid'."
For psych help, I think Frem should weigh in.
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I've considered the school issue, he might be smart enough, maybe I should suggest to his parents they see if he can pass the GED. Telling him "if you pass this you don't have to go to school anymore" might be a good incentive.
He's a smart kid, I expect he wants to learn and will go back to learning once he has a few years to get the anger out of his system. it's just... Hell teachers. And potentially parents who don't know what to do with him.
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