So, what does everyone think?

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ZEEK

Monday, January 31, 2011 2:50 PM

What? How could Summer being the Cape be better emotionally? The whole emotional point is this dude who is separated from his family trying to set things right. That should be emotional. Granted they aren't pulling it off, but there's no reason to think they'd do a better job with a father vs daughter thing.

The last episode was a little better, but it's still not a very good show. It's flirting with getting deleted from my record list at this point.

INVADERCHAT

Monday, January 31, 2011 3:06 PM

Well I can't speak for everyone but I basically just meant that Summer could maybe sell it a bit better and the whole prospect is pretty interesting but back in reality land I'm still liking what's going on so far.

I think that the overall story of Vince trying to get back to his family is actually a pretty good one, let's just hope they do a better job of dragging us in and making us care. I think that's possible now that things have slowed down a bit.

I think they've introduced the lawyer guy 'replacing' Vince situation a little fast though I think if they develop that right it could definitely add some emotion in there, especially with situations like Vince having to watch from the sidelines.

The more I think about it though, the more I think Vince should have just taken those tickets and gotten the hell out of there. He's a cop and a soldier who's trying to save the city but surely his wife and kid are above that...then I guess we'd have a three episode show :P

So what is it that you don't like about the show Zeek? Anything specific or is it just not grabbing your attention?

ZEEK

Monday, January 31, 2011 3:33 PM

It's not grabbing my attention and I pretty much have problems with every character. I just don't feel any of them are acting realistically.

Vince - I can't buy any reason that he would hide from his family. How could he sit there and put them through all that grief even if it is somehow to protect them. If someone figures out his identity then they'll be targeted whether they know he's alive or not. It's just silly.

Circus Guy - he was a hair's breath away from just killing Vince in the pilot. Then he completely does a 180 because Vince gives him some inside info. All of a sudden he's helping Vince become a super hero when he himself is a criminal. Which is another point against Vince. If he's so just then how is he just turning a blind eye to all the robberies?

Chess - he's evil for the sake of being evil. He seems to have no goal other than ruling over the entire city. Apparently he's also searching for his lost daughter as well. I don't see any reason why taking over the city would play into that.

Vince's old partner - this guy was apparently one of the police officers Vince trusted. Then it turns out he completely sold out and not just to the point of doing a few jobs for Chess. Nope he's his right hand man and pure evil. I don't really buy that he was able to hide that side of himself from Vince during their whole friendship.

Vince's wife - she seems to be moving on reallllllly quickly if she's got any feelings for her boss already. In the real world I'd expect her to be completely and utterly focused on her son. She just lost her husband and I'd think she'd block everyone else out while she focuses on keeping her son safe so she doesn't lose her entire family. I can kinda let that part go because it doesn't make for fun TV, but at the very least she shouldn't be moving on romantically at all.

I guess overall I just can't see how long they can keep the status quo going. I just can't imagine like 4 seasons later we can still have the show in any state like it's in now. Could Vince really keep his secret from his family that long? Is Chess going to just be a constant villain with zero confrontation and resolution for the entire series? Heck would we even want that? Chess isn't very interesting when he's new. Can you imagine how boring he'll be when it's all been done before?

INVADERCHAT

Tuesday, February 1, 2011 2:40 AM

Yeah okay, all fair points but I think one reason why I'm liking this show and others aren't is that I am willing to suspend my disbelief pretty darn far in return for entertainment, all of the issues created by these unrealistic reactions create interesting situations and I like that.

Absolutely agree that Vince should be able to reveal his identity to his family. Heck if he doesn't already know then Trip is just really slow but I guess Vince is really thinking like a soldier/cop and viewing it all as life and death. It kinda ups the stakes I figure and maybe he's just too ashamed and thinks even his family won't believe him without proving his innocence first? As loving as his family seems to be, there could always be that tiny shadow of doubt if he showed up at their front door.

Yes their initial teaming up seemed a little odd but I guess Max (Circus guy) saw something in Vince that made him want to keep him around for one reason or another. He's similar to his old 'apprentice' in many ways. I think that the handing over of information maybe proved in some way that he wasn't just 'some cop'.
Also, Vince isn't just turning a blind eye to their robberies. In Scales on a Train the group is clearly trying to hide their plans for the robbery from Vince and their discussion at the end definitely hints at rising issues in that regard. Afterall, Vince is trying to stomp out crime and they ARE criminals so that's going to come crashing down at some point. I think Max might have some sort of hidden motivation for helping him.

Chess is evil for the sake of being evil. Yeah it does seem that way, unless his intentions haven't been fully revealed, it's only been four episodes. It kinda works for me to be honest, a bored rich guy who just feels like being an evil psycho is pretty scary even if he does lack depth. Though in my opinion the search for his daughter already added SOME depth.

I found Vince's traitorous partner a bit weird too, how the hell did Vince fall for that. Though (and this is based solely on the scene where Chess is commenting on the picture of his family) it seems maybe he isn't all evil and he's being forced to do things against his will. What does he have to gain by still pretending to be friends with Trip and Vince's wife? Who does indeed seem to be moving on pretty quickly in that department. Initially I liked the idea that she was taking charge, getting herself a job and moving on which seemed to be setting up for a 'being strong now and breaking down later' type of deal but the whole thing with the boss made me just think 'whoa! how long has Vince been dead?' especially since they seemed really close.

Yeah, I agree with you on maintaining the status quo. Especially in regards to pacing, they're revealing so much stuff so quickly that I just can't help but think they'll run out of things to reveal by episode ten or something. Though I am not really an avid comic book reader, it does seem like that's pretty much what comics are about. One of the villains shows up to do something evil, hero stops 'em and there's some character related stuff on the side. That looks like what it's setting up to be though I guess we'll have to wait and see. So far several of my assumptions have been debunked so maybe they will continue to develop.

SHINYGOODGUY

Saturday, February 5, 2011 9:58 AM

Zeek, u make some really good points. The characters have been purely developed. Like I said earlier, no back story.

What made his partner turn on him? Does Chess have something on him?, or did he threaten to kill him? There's no hint of that, plus the actor has not convinced me that he's crooked.

Yeah, Max did kinda do a quick about-face. I give u that one too.

This week's episode was actually a bit above average, but it did try to develop a back story regarding Dice's dad. But unfortunately the show has no charisma and more holes than Swiss cheese.
Oh well, Summer will be free to pursue other things.

SGG

Tawabawho?

INVADERCHAT

Tuesday, February 8, 2011 11:34 AM

Really? In my opinion (and admittedly it is the very small minority) the only thing the show has IS charisma and that's why I'm still watching.

It does have more holes than swiss cheese, it is camp and silly and cheesy but I'm still watching and enjoying it. That said though, I am starting to get a little less interested. It seems with each little mistake they make I get closer to not watching but I'm still pretty excited to tune in every week at the moment.

As I said in my last post, there IS an indication that Chess has something on Marty. He's holding a picture of his family in episode 1 or 2 making all the typical 'what a nice family' comments in a grim voice that practically screams 'obey me or they die'.

As I've also said, it seems that many of my gripes about the show keep getting filled in by subsequent episodes which I find interesting. For instance, the 'Max doing an about face' thing seems pretty weird until you see the end of Dice where it's implied that he has some sort of mystical calendar telling him that the next 'cape' is supposed to arrive that day. Put that together with 'when you were Chess you were interesting, now you're boring' kinda seems to me like he was willing to trust in the map a bit but not just some lame cop, then his resolve in handing over the card kinda put him back into the 'possible cape' territory. I know I'm using a whole lot of imagination there but it fits in my head, maybe that's why I'm one of the few that's interested :P

Anyway, the show has been cut from 13 episodes in this first season to 10, if that isn't an almost sure sign of imminent cancellation then I'm not sure what is. Not like I wasn't expecting this, I'll not be crying if this goes off air but I will definitely be disappointed, at least NBC seems to have done what they can and given it a shot but I really hope ratings pick up as unlikely as it is.

I found the last two episodes interesting, episode five more than episode six. I thought Dice was really cool with the whole savant thing but again it seemed a little rushed, the invention and unveiling of the T.R.A.C.E. machine could have been an entire story arc on it's own or at least run into a few episodes. I like stories with direct continuation instead of entire stories condensed down. Not to mention Vince learning ANOTHER master skill that's supposed to take years in record time (at least he screws up). Were Vince and Orwell both in Dice's blind spot? How convenient, that makes zero sense, someone who sees the world as numbers wouldn't just have some blank spot, let alone two and isn't Vince just a regular guy with a cape?

Episode six was also pretty interesting but I didn't think it was as good as the few before it. I thought Trip's geeky little buddy was pretty funny, if they're hangin' out then I won't feel like turning the TV off whenever Trip comes on screen. I thought the cape being bulletproof was a bit over the top, I hope that only worked cause it was retracted and all bunched up, if the whole thing is bulletproof then what the hell? I thought Goggles and Hicks were alright as villains thought they sure 'knew' their prey pretty quick, shoot a tracer on him, figure out his heartbeat and identity and we know him down to his very soul, time for the bumble bee!

Ah well, I'm in a bit of a critical mood at the moment so I'm pointing out inconsistencies and stuff but I'm still liking it over all. I don't think I've fallen into that stage where everything has to be realistic and compared to something else for me to enjoy it as simple entertainment.

DJD

Monday, August 22, 2011 12:03 PM

Rather late to the party..... to sumarise, watching it because Summer's in it. I'm finding it a struggle to be honest. Nothing grabs me about the show and I wouldn't waste my time on it if not for Summer's presence. Her weakest show to date by some distance for me.

INVADERCHAT

Sunday, August 28, 2011 8:53 AM

Agreed, this is dead and gone in my mind and I don't really mourn its loss. I haven't bothered to watch it again and don't intend to recommend it to anyone.

As much as there were some good points and I tried very hard to like it, there just wasn't enough there and it lost me.

As you say, basically Summer's worst show and there wasn't even enough of her in it anyway, I expected her to become like the cape's Robin or something and while Vince (can't remember the actor's name...) was OKAY and Keith David was excellent they couldn't hold it up.

My main complaint I think is that it went too quickly and they shoved too much in, should've taken their time. Though at the same time that means it would have run the danger of never even getting off the ground at all, instead it got about three feet off the ground and crashed, ah well.

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