So, what does everyone think?
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Yeah, I agree. It's taking it in sort of a ye olde' relic direction instead of out and out magic cape. It also kinda ties it into the carnival history more as well. Yes I was thinking about the whole Venom/Carnage parallel too but I think it might be more of a subtle thing than that.
Of course convenience was the reason :P I just thought I might have been missing something. Right at the start where the warden or whatever is threatening him they must have pulled him out of his cell after twenty years and threatened him just in case he was planning to escape. 'I know you haven't escaped for the last twenty years but you'd BETTER not be thinking about doing it tonight!'
I like the idea that the cape was calling out to him, maybe not in an outright mystical way but maybe he could just feel it or something, nice one.
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This is what I think.
The actor does not believe in or understand Vince Faraday. In the second ep he was offered an out and rejected it. But I didn't believe Vince, because the actor did not believe Vince would make that choice. I am sure Vince meant it but the actor did not sell it.
Sorry to say but I think David Lyons is the weakest link.
Oh and the reason the 3rd ep was better is due largely to the fact we had more Orwell/Summer present. I saw all 3 eps in a row.
I was so upset watching the first ep on DVR that I started to fastforward for Summer to appear. I started to fastforward at 41 minutes and she apeared at 43 miutes. WHY? We already knew she was Orwell.
I will watch for Summer Glau but not sure how long the show will last unless it suddenly gets really good. The rest of the cast starting with Keith David is great. I love the wife. Just not Vince.
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I love Keith David over-playing every scene (PS anyone here remember 'Gargoyles'?) But Summer is so not at her best here. I don't blame her so much as the dialogue, because I know she can deliver a scene, and even awkward lines (with good directing) but its not happening here. So that makes it painful to watch.
David Lyons is a weak link now, but I suspect he's the type of actor that grows into a role.
I'm really not sure I'm willing to give the show a chance though. The circus stuff is always fun for me but the superhero stuff is falling flat on its face.
/So that's my take.
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This is what I think.
The actor does not believe in or understand Vince Faraday. In the second ep he was offered an out and rejected it. But I didn't believe Vince, because the actor did not believe Vince would make that choice. I am sure Vince meant it but the actor did not sell it.
I personally don't think David Lyons is doing a bad job, but I agree that certain scenes like Vince rejecting the plane or train tickets out of Palm City didn't get sold well as it could have, and mainly for the reasons you give, FireflyPassenger.
However, I have to wonder how ANYONE could technically reject the offer when the situation is structured they way it is, what with Trip and Dana being alive, and he could just swoop in, show he's alive and get them out of Dodge long enough to regroup and figure out a way to get Fleming/Chess without needing to run around in a hooded stage magician's cape. The Cape seems like an attempt to merge a character like Frank Castle/The Punisher - ex-solider & law enforcement officer going after the dirtbags who wronged him - with Batman (the gadgets and the cape-utilizing costume), but motivation like Frank Castle or Bruce Wayne's family being gunned down in front of them are missing...there's less reason for Vince to be gallivanting around Palm City compared to even vaguely similar heroes.
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Sorry to say but I think David Lyons is the weakest link.
Oh and the reason the 3rd ep was better is due largely to the fact we had more Orwell/Summer present. I saw all 3 eps in a row.
I was so upset watching the first ep on DVR that I started to fastforward for Summer to appear. I started to fastforward at 41 minutes and she apeared at 43 miutes. WHY? We already knew she was Orwell.
Yeah, I kinda scratched my head at that as well, since anyone who saw ads for the show or viewed any promo material knew Summer was playing Orwell. Plus, the final scene of Kozmo, having that overlay of Fleming looking at the ballerina in the music box with Orwell on the acrobatic apparatus kinda reveals what would be a major plot twist rather early if it's not a red herring.
I've remarked on this before in related threads, but I think the 2-hour opener should have been just the first episode, and Tarot should have been the first episode to air on a Monday night. More time was needed to get things developed, including Orwell being revealed sooner so the partnership could have more time to develop in the first place.
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I will watch for Summer Glau but not sure how long the show will last unless it suddenly gets really good. The rest of the cast starting with Keith David is great. I love the wife. Just not Vince.
"The revenge of the beaten comes in refusing to fall." -- Mal, in "The Losing Side - Chapter 45" by jetflair
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You mean that cartoon Gargoyles? I remember it but didn't know Keith David voiced in it 'til I looked it up. I agree that he is absolutely brilliant in this though. I actually haven't seen much of his stuff to be honest.
My opinion of David Lyons kind of fluctuates in different situations. Overall though I think there's room for improvement but also I think he is actually using that room and has already improved since the first episode.
I don't necessarily agree with showing only the pilot first up but the structure of the first episodes should definitely have been different. I think if they slowed the pacing down AND only showed one episode as a premiere that would have been good.
!**Episode Four Spoilers to follow**!
I thought this was another solid episode much like episode three. I like the fact that they seem to have slowed down and are moving along at a much better pace so we can actually feel interested in something before it just happens in a big bang across a ten minute timespan.
I was a bit worried that with the Carnival of Crime heisting the train we were going to have ANOTHER thing that could have been a climactic event occur very early and condensed into a portion of the episode which was the incompatible ideals of Vince and the thieves. I thought that a great big argument/showdown was going to happen and cause a rift between them but I was glad to see that it was just kind of foreshadowing something that even the characters know is going to happen at some time in the future. Max and Vince at the end really felt like 'Well, that'll be an interesting day' to me and I liked that.
I thought some interesting things were well placed such as The Cape's cape (haha :P) not working due to the high velocity wind on the roof of the train and the fact that everyone just laughed when Scales outed Fleming. I thought that would happen but I was a bit worried they might believe the horrible thug that's been terrorizing the carriage all night and was glad to see they didn't. Speaking of Scales, interesting little bit of backstory there and isn't he badass, opening a cage with his head?
I thought Fleming looked ridiculous in his cowboy outfit (and by ridiculous I mean awesome, intentional of course) I'm not entirely sure why either Scales, Fleming or The Cape didn't end up dead though. When Scales and Fleming were out there on either side of the train declaring war on eachother, what was each one's motivation for not simply shooting the other? (especially hot head Scales) Nobody was there to see. I suppose The Cape left Fleming alive when dangling him from the train because if he is killed he won't ever be able to out him as Chess and clear his name but Chess doesn't really have a reason not to kill him. I know it's all a game to him but you still think he'd take the opportunity 'oh no he fell off the train! How awful'.
I thought Portman dressed as The Cape was hilarious (and their little discussion) and I liked the way he was like 'phuck yoo!' when told to go and hide instead of being the typical 'hide until the hero deals with everything' kinda guy.
I thought Orwell's interaction with Chess was a bit underplayed (assuming the 'Orwell is Chess' daughter' theory), though I guess it's building up for something good in that case. Maybe it's actually GOOD writing that the (probable) revelation that she is his daughter happened so early because I could feel the tension as Fleming entered the room and Orwell was hiding in plain sight. I'm finding these little reversals on what seems obvious to be quite interesting and it's keeping me intrigued.
So, that's what I think :P
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I think it suffers from severe Summer deprivation. I haven't even watched all the episodes, so perhaps there was a whole bunch that I was just unlucky enough to miss, but I've seen maybe three scenes with Summer.
It's really not doing it for me. Made me laugh a couple times. It could be engaging. But so far, kinda meh.
I do not need the written code of a spiritual belief to act like a decent human being.
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Fair enough, I wonder just how many people are watching purely for Summer, or at least mostly for her. There seem to be quite a few.
I guess it's 'cause it's meant to be about Vince and Orwell is the sidekick at this point. Maybe something awful will happen to Vince and Orwell will take up the cape? That'd work.
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That, to be quite honest, would be awesome. I'm certainly not going to bank on it, though.
Personally, I wouldn't have tuned in if I hadn't heard about Summer being on it. It was the same way with Sarah Connor Chronicles, which had a similar problem with Summer deprivation. I know there are fans of the show here (who should probably look away now) but SCC had far too little Summer and far too much of random douchebags I cared nothing about. I gave up on the show after watching two-ish episodes. So far The Cape has a nearly identical problem. I like the woman, The Cape's wife, she has some spark, but she's gotten about as much screen time as Orwell, which makes it difficult to really engage with either of them. The carnie leader had a few moments, I sort of liked him after the first episode. I basically could not care less about anyone else.
It would be wonderful and unpredictable to see Orwell pick up the cape. Not only a female superhero who might be interesting, but one played by Summer. I would be down with that. I just don't see that amount of creativity so far, though.
I do not need the written code of a spiritual belief to act like a decent human being.
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Oooo, Summer would sell that and then some. I vote for that to happen. Summer as superhero - the emotional depth would be so much better with Summer as the lead.
Of course, we would need a good script.
SGG
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You know what, I suggested it without being entirely serious but the more I think about it, the more Summer would totally make that role awesome. I agree that the emotional depth would be better, especially going with the 'Chess' daughter' assumption that there'd be the showdown there and she'd just plain sell it better.
I too thought that the Cape's wife was pretty neat, loved the way she demanded her way into a job. Trip is kinda getting on my nerves though, I didn't get what people were complaining about in the first two episodes but seriously.
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