How Can I Prove I am Not a Racist?

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MALACHITE

Thursday, July 22, 2010 6:46 PM

So I'm thinking about the instant gratification argument more. I might be able to buy that people in awful social circumstances might have a harder time delaying gratification. If there is no hope for the future, no chance of escaping your neighborhood or getting a better life (particularly because school isn't your thing, or your peers' thing, or because you don't have quality educational opportunities), why not do what feels good at the time? How would you see the point in delaying gratification? I don't see this as a race inferiority thing, I see this as a human nature thing.

WULFENSTAR

Thursday, July 22, 2010 6:49 PM

I see it as an inability to escape the now of Wolf-thought.

You can't imagine a future... you don't have the intelligence to look beyond what is NOW NOW NOW.

Or, you might be able to imagine a better future.. but lack the faith in it (hope).

Who knows.

"Being called a racist by a Liberal is a badge of honor."

BYTEMITE

Thursday, July 22, 2010 7:37 PM

I'd need to see more information on this idea that they can't resist instant gratification, I suspect such studies would be very hard to construct in a way that removes all outside factors. If you're pulling whites and blacks from the same geographic region and socio-economic background and there's a discrepancy, there might be something intangible at work here as well, like maybe racial bias toward the person conducting the experiment. If a black kid is told they can't trust a white person, and a white person says "you can have this candy bar now, or I'll give you one later," I think it's fairly obvious what the kid might do.

I've also been subject to such an experiment as well, and I chose the little candy bar right then, and this was because I planned to buy a bigger candy bar for myself later. Seen this way, I believed I was therefore getting more candy with quicker results. It could be that a kid is also hungry and doesn't have the option I did, so they might also want the candy bar then. Factors.

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Or, you might be able to imagine a better future.. but lack the faith in it (hope).

This rings of some truth, Wulf.

HKCAVALIER

Thursday, July 22, 2010 8:25 PM

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Originally posted by Wulfenstar:
I would argue that the access to "healthcare",in this case meaning abortions, is higher and easier in urban areas.

Black American culture is predominantly anti-abortion on religious grounds. And abortions cost money, the pill is 30 bucks a month, so poor folk of any race are gonna have less access. Use your noodle.

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However, again, I will state that the high illigitamcy rate is a simple matter of culture.

Who creates a culture, who influences a culture, how does a culture influence an individual?

Exactly: who created black American culture? Um...that question is easily answered.

For four hundred years on this continent, marriage among blacks was systematically and painstakingly dismantled. Black children were separated from their parents as a matter of policy. Black couples could be broken up for any reason at the whim of the white slave masters and generally were if they showed signs of dangerous emotions like love and loyalty. White slave masters routinely impregnated their female slaves to the point that modern African Americans rarely have more than 60% African blood (and gee, if that doesn't seriously interfere with anyone's racist fantasies of African genes being to blame for modern American black culture, no amount of reason will).

If we look back to their parent cultures in Africa we see predominantly patriarchal and polygamous traditions. Male parentage could not be more emphasized. Gee, what could possibly account for such a high rate of illegitimacy among African Americans today? What factor differentiates black American culture from the black African cultures from which they were taken?

Do you honestly imagine 400 years of black women being raped by white masters, 400 years of marriages routinely broken expressly to destroy the bonds between man and woman, 400 years of children sold to further undermine black family connections, 400 years of having their ties to Africa destroyed, their language outlawed, their traditions undermined--can you honestly say you think African Americans can reverse 400 years of the most aggressive social engineering the world has ever known, in just a few generations trying to coexist with the very culture responsible for their cultural annihilation?

HKCavalier

Hey, hey, hey, don't be mean. We don't have to be mean, because, remember, no matter where you go, there you are.

WULFENSTAR

Thursday, July 22, 2010 8:33 PM

Oh wow HK, its becoming so rare these days that I meet someone so far removed from the truth of things. Someone still so ready to quote chapter and verse from their college sociology text-book.

But ok.

Im not even going to go the route of arguing. Its pointless. You have MUCH book-learning, but no real life experience.

In a few years, if you pursue an actual learning experience, we might be able to talk.

I mean no disrespect, but I can't argue with someone whose only learning, comes from the books their parents bought them for college.

ETA: Not to say that college doesn't have its place. But I place higher importance on experience. Sorry, but watching from a guilded balcony, doesnt really teach you anything.

"Being called a racist by a Liberal is a badge of honor."

RIVERLOVE

Thursday, July 22, 2010 8:43 PM

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Originally posted by HKCavalier:
For four hundred years on this continent, marriage among blacks was systematically and painstakingly dismantled. Black children were separated from their parents as a matter of policy. Black couples could be broken up for any reason at the whim of the white slave masters and generally were if they showed signs of dangerous emotions like love and loyalty. White slave masters routinely impregnated their female slaves to the point that modern African Americans rarely have more than 60% African blood (and gee, if that doesn't seriously interfere with anyone's racist fantasies of African genes being to blame for modern American black culture, no amount of reason will).

If we look back to their parent cultures in Africa we see predominantly patriarchal and polygamous traditions. Male parentage could not be more emphasized. Gee, what could possibly account for such a high rate of illegitimacy among African Americans today? What factor differentiates black American culture from the black African cultures from which they were taken?

Do you honestly imagine 400 years of black women being raped by white masters, 400 years of marriages routinely broken expressly to destroy the bonds between man and woman, 400 years of children sold to further undermine black family connections, 400 years of having their ties to Africa destroyed, their language outlawed, their traditions undermined--can you honestly say you think African Americans can reverse 400 years of the most aggressive social engineering the world has ever known, in just a few generations trying to coexist with the very culture responsible for their cultural annihilation?

HKCavalier

Free Blacks living in the north and west must have made a concentrated effort to mimic their Southern brothers in slavery. What a great excuse that would have been for them to justify their purient instincts and lack of social and ethical responsibilities. And 150 years later, why ever evolve and mature as a segment of society? So much better to just wallow in their vile and unholy behavior and blame slavery. And with white liberal idiots supporting their lame-ass excuses and paying them off for their funny little cultural flaws, why indeed ever change?

HKCAVALIER

Thursday, July 22, 2010 8:49 PM

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Originally posted by Wulfenstar:
Oh wow HK, its becoming so rare these days that I meet someone so far removed from the truth of things. Someone still so ready to quote chapter and verse from their college sociology text-book.

But ok.

Im not even going to go the route of arguing. Its pointless. You have MUCH book-learning, but no real life experience.

In a few years, if you pursue an actual learning experience, we might be able to talk.

I mean no disrespect, but I can't argue with someone whose only learning, comes from the books their parents bought them for college.

"Being called a racist by a Liberal is a badge of honor."

The fuck? You don't know shit about me, ya Goofy Gus. So, I'm the brainwashed one in this conversation? That's fine, if you don't reply to my post, that'll be one less reason for me to check in on this thoroughly disgusting thread. I thank you.

Carry on.

HKCavalier

Hey, hey, hey, don't be mean. We don't have to be mean, because, remember, no matter where you go, there you are.

WULFENSTAR

Thursday, July 22, 2010 8:50 PM

River, that doesn't help.

You've got to express truth without pissing in peoples faces.

"Being called a racist by a Liberal is a badge of honor."

WULFENSTAR

Thursday, July 22, 2010 8:54 PM

"The fuck? You don't know shit about me, ya Goofy Gus. So, I'm the brainwashed one in this conversation? That's fine, if you don't reply to my post, that'll be one less reason for me to check in on this thoroughly disgusting thread. I thank you.

Carry on."

No, I don't know anything about you. But I can see that you are quoting chapter and verse some of the same things I saw in MY Sociology 101 course.

And I can further tell that by..

"That's fine, if you don't reply to my post, that'll be one less reason for me to check in on this thoroughly disgusting thread."

You are unprepared, and immature enough, to see beyond that which has been fed you.

Again, I hope that one day you will live long enough and full enough to see beyond that which you have been fed.

Until then, by all means, have a good life.

"Being called a racist by a Liberal is a badge of honor."

NIKI2

Thursday, July 22, 2010 9:27 PM

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Black American culture is predominantly anti-abortion on religious grounds. And abortions cost money, the pill is 30 bucks a month, so poor folk of any race are gonna have less access.

That answers THAT one for me. I think there are a lot of cultural difficulties between us, who own computers, have jobs or are otherwise free to debate here, and those who struggle just to survive and feed their families every day. It leads to misconsceptions and lack of understanding.

Wulf, I disagree that what he said is just rote learning. I would say rather that your views, from your "real world experience" are skewed and you seem unable to grasp the realities of the greater world outside your own experience.

Cav deciding not to engage you further can be a recognition that there is no meeting of the minds, therefore it's an exercise in futility. I don't think you realize this; anyone who decides not to engage further in a futile debate SHOULD be smart enough to pull away and do something more constructive with their time.

I maintain that your experience is limited, just as you say his is, by one culture and one culture alone, and that the larger society does not represent that culture nearly as much as you believe it does.

There's nothing wrong with learning; it may not reflect all societies, experiences and cultures, but it is more often backed by science and a broad view than it is based in one person's experiences.

Oh, HK, you forgot that slaves were BRED by their masters, too, in order to enhance this or that characteristic. If one considers those very real 400 years, then extrapolates that from that time on there was nonetheless a struggle to integrate into society, far more often than not stymied BY that society, then perhaps one can draw a conclusion; but one has to begin with an equal standing in society, which is impossible in this debate. Some here seem determined to state that Blacks have an equal place in society; they do not yet, despite "civil rights" legislation and attempts at integration. It's not possible for us here to judge them, nor have we the right to try, in my opinion.

In other words, "round and round and round we go, and where we stop, everyone knows"--impasse. With maybe some insults thrown in for good measure.

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