Kids of lesbians have fewer behavioral problems, study suggests

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AURAPTOR

Tuesday, June 8, 2010 1:56 AM

Quote:
Originally posted by Kwicko:

Melissa Etheridge begs to differ. Gay people have kids all the time.

Ted Haggard would say you're wrong, too. In 1978, Haggard married Gayle Alcorn. The couple have five children: Christy (1981), Marcus (1983) (founder and former pastor of Boulder Street Church, Colorado Springs), Jonathan (1987), Alex (1990), and Elliott (1993).

As usual, your grasp of "facts" is tenuous at best.

Mike

Man, you're easy.

** ANYONE ** who thinks the Fed Gov't has done " all it possibly can " in response the Gulf Coast oil disaster, or who thinks Obama isn't lying to us all - I have no use for you. You deserve all the animosity and any vulgar "tone" directed your way. ( Anthony , that includes you, buddy. Sorry )

PIRATENEWS

Tuesday, June 8, 2010 3:20 AM

Gay mafiya: Eugenocidal maniac wants to kill millions of black babies!
http://www.fireflyfans.net/mthread.asp?b=18&t=43572

February 19, 2010: Oprah, Gayle To Adopt Baby
http://wendyista.blogspot.com/2010/02/report-oprah-gayle-to-adopt-baby
.html

OPRAH & GAYLE IN UGLY FEUD: "I hate you!"
http://www.nationalenquirer.com/oprah_gayle_feud/celebrity/68745

Rosie Comments On Oprah Gay Rumors: "When they did that road trip, that's as gay as it gets"
http://www.nbcnewyork.com/entertainment/celebrity/Rosie_Opens_Up_On_Re
lationship_With_Kelli__Comments_On_Oprah_Gay_Rumors-66240517.html

Oprah & Gay Rumors -- Pictures Tell Story
http://www.tmz.com/2006/07/18/oprah-and-gay-rumors-pictures-tell-story/

Gayle King: I'm Not Gay!
http://perezhilton.com/2009-11-13-gayle-king-im-not-gay

Oprah Won't Come Out of the Closet!
http://www.southparkstudios.com/clips/155090

Cops: Lesbian parents gang raped girl in Trenton
http://www.trentonian.com/articles/2010/04/23/news/doc4bd0b8ef9e84f297
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Lesbian teacher rapist off hook – no jail time
http://www.wnd.com/?pageId=34415

Lesbian attempts "rape" with her brother's semen
http://www.jillstanek.com/glbt/lesbian-attempt.html

Illinois Review: Lesbian Gangs Raping Girls
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-r.html

‘Vagina Monologues’ condoned lesbian predatory rape
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2FEB02.htm

She Stole My Voice: A Documentary About Lesbian Rape (30% of lesbians were gayraped)
http://www.rmdglobal.net/she-stole-my-voice/

FREMDFIRMA

Tuesday, June 8, 2010 4:59 AM

I dunno, this strikes me as so bloody obvious why bother with a study.

A same-sex couple is obviously going to be more tolerant as a rule, and more questioning of conventional social values in favor of demonstrable morality, that which does least harm generally winning tha argument every time.

Therefore those values will spill over on to their children making them less intolerant and more likely to question their own biases and those of others simply because they will run into that bias against their parents quite early, and almost immediately deconstructing it initially out of simple parent-child-bond loyalty, and then over time finding it laughable how untrue most of the statements affiliated with that bias are.

This then leads them to question other biases and find them almost as ridiculous, and them becoming more tolerant in a direct reaction, thus reducing much of the misbehavior related to the intolerant, rigid minded thinking that a lot of children in our current "educational" environment wind up suffering from.

I mean, how is this not bloody obvious ?

-Frem

PS. Changed the title back, stop being a dick, John, I'm not in the mood, and you'll wind up regretting it.

PIRATENEWS

Tuesday, June 8, 2010 6:00 AM

Lesbian Lib founded by CIA to overthrow USA for the Jew World Odor
http://www.rense.com/general21/hw.htm
http://portland.indymedia.org/en/2005/02/310075.shtml

SIGNYM

Tuesday, June 8, 2010 6:02 AM

My gut reaction is that I've known several lesbian couples, and I thought they were much better grounded than hetero couples. First of all, THIS society is sick. It's saturated with violence, power, religion, sex, vengeance, fear, and greed which is mixed up in a very noxious stew that it only a small step up (IMHO) from Muslim societies. Anyone who feels at home here is already a little twisted. And while I can't speak of gay (male) couples, the lesbians that I knew were naturally more equal. I also read somewhere (need to find the study) that lesbian relationships tend to last longer than hetero- not surprising since the level of disconnect between the sexes in the USA is amazing.

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But there are flaws in the study. One bias in the study is that the lesbian couples have been self-selected. Donor insemination is a conscious choice; in-vitro fertilization is expensive; and it takes time and commitment for both. So the couples have already been self-selected for income level, commitment to each other, and psychological stability. The BEST control for this study would have hetero couples also undergoing donor insemination and/or in vitro fertilization.

The sample size is very small. It's difficult to derive meaningful statistics.

But as far as the questions being biased:

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Gartrell used the Child Behavior Checklist, a commonly used standard to measure children's behavioral and social problems, such as anxiety, depression, aggressive behavior and social competence.

The same questions are used in many studies.

HERO

Tuesday, June 8, 2010 12:35 PM

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Yeah, okay, the study may be biased; I wish someone would find one that isn't, 'cuz I think this study is more on the money than some would admit.

I've done a study that says studies biased by conservatives are most often entirely correct and those by liberals are most often wrong. My study was biased, but the results speak for themselves since I'm a conservative.

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You have to be a little suspicious of any study that says children being raised by same-sex couples do better or have superior outcomes to children raised with a mother and father," she said. "It just defies common sense and reality."

Obviously she does not watch TV. All the gay and lesbian couples on TV raise great kids.

I note for the record that I support gay and lesbian adoption because the measure of a parent is an individual test, not a group dynamic. I've seen great and terrible parents in every possible configuration. Besides, if lesbians could not adopt or have kids with turkey basters there would never be any hot lesbian moms and thats not the America I want to live in.

In all seriousness, I think hot lesbian moms are great moms.

H

"Hero. I have come to respect you." "I am forced to agree with Hero here."- Chrisisall, 2009.
"I find those statements amazing. I said I found your remarks 'amazing'" Niki2, 2010.

MOOSE1942

Tuesday, June 8, 2010 2:28 PM

Sorry guys the study can't be fair and balanced. Just follow the money.

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Funding for the research came from several lesbian, gay, bisexual, and transgender advocacy groups, such as the Gill Foundation and the Lesbian Health Fund from the Gay Lesbian Medical Association.

Can kids turn out fine from a home with homosexual parents? Sure, but... the lack of a father figure does intangible things to kids.

I work with 12-14 year old boys. Most of which have a mother and father. Some are raised by just a mother. The ones without a father tend to have more problems than the ones with. Also the boys who have a father who is passive also tend to have behavioral problems, vs a strong father figure.

I don't work with any boys with two mothers so I can't comment on that but there is a reason the family unit was designed the way it is.

When the family unit breaks down and you have an absent mother or father, you are going to have problems.

One boy in particular is being raised by his grandparents because his father is absent and his mother is unable to care for him due to her own issues. It's a sad situation, and the boy has quite a few behavioral issues.

Come read my stories, http://alonekingofone.wordpress.com/

BYTEMITE

Tuesday, June 8, 2010 4:03 PM

What kinds of behavioural problems? Without saying too much, because I imagine your intention is to somehow protect the identity of the kids.

But like a rough cross-section, maybe, as opposed to specific stories?

PHOENIXROSE

Tuesday, June 8, 2010 4:40 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by Bytemite:
the same time, perhaps there's an issue with authoritarian father figures that gay and lesbian couples can get around?

I've certainly encountered that issue.

I wonder what a similar study on gay male couples might indicate? Would it be double the father figure? Half the father figure? Hmmm...

Quote:
Originally posted by Fremdfirma:
going to be more tolerant as a rule, and more questioning of conventional social values in favor of demonstrable morality, that which does least harm generally winning tha argument every time.

Marry me?

Quote:
Therefore those values will spill over on to their children making them less intolerant and more likely to question their own biases and those of others simply because they will run into that bias against their parents quite early, and almost immediately deconstructing it initially out of simple parent-child-bond loyalty, and then over time finding it laughable how untrue most of the statements affiliated with that bias are.

This then leads them to question other biases and find them almost as ridiculous, and them becoming more tolerant in a direct reaction, thus reducing much of the misbehavior related to the intolerant, rigid minded thinking that a lot of children in our current "educational" environment wind up suffering from.

I mean, how is this not bloody obvious ?

How indeed.

Quote:
Originally posted by SignyM:
Donor insemination is a conscious choice; in-vitro fertilization is expensive; and it takes time and commitment for both. So the couples have already been self-selected for income level, commitment to each other, and psychological stability. The BEST control for this study would have hetero couples also undergoing donor insemination and/or in vitro fertilization.

That is a very good point. The conscious and devoted choice to have a child says something about the parents. Not that it's always necessary to good parenting, but I definitely think it makes a difference when a couple is ready and not just flung into it. Actually, my aunt had in vitro, and they are doting parents.

Quote:
Originally posted by MOOSE1942:
there is a reason the family unit was designed the way it is.

Yeah, it's called 'biological necessity.' Getting outdated now.
I actually think it very likely that there was a time, back in the history of humanity, when fathers did not really stick around with one 'family unit.' (Do all of them do that even now? Think about it.) At best, they might have stuck with a tribe. At worst, they wandered far and wide to scatter their seeds, leaving all the women they impregnated to raise the kids together. It could've happened. Easily.
I've also read so many studies on the likely importance of a nurturing mother figure to the development of the immune system, the nervous system, et al, that I can believe that being surrounded by such nurturing would be beneficial.
I would be interested in seeing more studies on this, wider ranging and on-going.

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ANTHONYT

Tuesday, June 8, 2010 4:47 PM

Hello,

I agree with Signy's comments on selection bias. You are selecting the best possible sampling for child rearing. And comparing it to... what?

However, I have never felt that the children of homosexuals were likely to suffer in any way. I just don't think the study proved anything.

--Anthony

"On this matter, make no mistake. I want you to go fuck yourself long and hard, as well as anyone who agrees with you. I got no use for you." --Auraptor

"This vile and revolting malice - this is their true colors, always has been, you're just seeing it without the mask of justifications and excuses they hide it behind, is all. Make sure to remember it once they put the mask back on." --Fremdfirma

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