It's worse than we know
POSTED BY: AURaptor
UPDATED: Friday, August 29, 2025 14:55
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Originally posted by Kwicko:
Hasn't that been the entirety of your claims about the federal response to the oil spill? That you don't see it (because Faux doesn't cover it), ergo it doesn't exist?
You've been saying that quite literally for weeks now.
Mike
So, because there have been no boats on the shore, no Jones Act waived, Obama MUST have still been busy, in his secret under ground lair, organizing and directing a massive, Nobel Prize lead panel.....
You're such a f-ing d-bag.
James Carville, Gov. Jindal, and everyone is SCREAMING for something to be done, and all your pea size brain can come up w/ is some crap about " FAUX" news?
Nothing you say on this matter is of any importance, what so ever. You're lower than a troll. You're the putrid slime which oozes between troll's toes, you're so low.
Something could have been done, and now an entire ecosystem is in danger. Obama literally only cares about his union buddies getting in on their contracts and keeping others from upstaging him on HIS big show.
( And thanks for pointing out typos. At least you have some useful purpose on this thread. You're like a trained parrot. It's clear you don't have the mental capacity or human decency to offer very much else. )
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Originally posted by Hero:
Thats why he's spent more time golfing, hosting concerts, going on date nights, and attending Democratic fundraisers then he has on his oil 9/11.
Sorry, are you talking about Obama now, or Bush during Katrina?
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AURaptor: I'm a geologist, and I've heard Out to the Black espouse this theory about oil coming from the mantle. I've thought about it and thought about it, really tried to give O2TB a reasonable shot at looking at the theory with an open mind.
It was a theory the Russians came up with, and then abandoned by the 1980s because it wasn't an accurate depiction of what people were finding. You don't find oil in conjunction with igneous rock, let alone mantle rock.
It's in pure opposition to the density gradient as you go deeper. If the world was molten at one point during formation, and it probably was, then heavier material would sink towards the core, and lighter material would remain close to the surface. Carbon is a light element, and carbon molecules tend not to be very dense. Similarly, so is hydrogen. This stuff is going to be staying near and forming near the surface of the earth at that time. That's why most of the carbon on earth is considered to be within the biosphere. Natural diamonds are an exception, they form under pressure, and carbon involved in natural diamonds was probably introduced to that environment through tectonic activity.
Sig is right that Oil tends to be found in oil-rich sandstone and oil rich shales (we can't really process the shales very well, but people are hard at work on this). Oil is almost certainly sediment-buried organic material heated and under pressure. The oldest oil you could potentially find I'd imagine would be about Devonian age, that's about the time plants started to appear in earnest. Most land-based oil is found in the Mesozoic period, lots of complex organisms appearing on land and lots of organics accumulating in ponds, then erosion and tectonic activity can bury things nicely. Tectonic activity can also put things under a lot of heat and pressure, and faults can enable mobility if fluids in the absence of pore space.
I have to think about the ocean floor, it's possible something else is at work there, but the areas where people drill for oil tend to be tectonically active, and I would suspect a similar mechanism is at work as what seems to produce oil on land. They tend to be drilling on the continental shelf and slope, where changing sea level can lay down different kinds of sediments, such as the sand they like to drill into. The ocean floor is no more than 200 million years old, however, it's constantly subducted under continents.
Now that might be a really good place to look for oil, maybe this is what people mean when they talk about mantle oil (it would be near the mantle, within 10 km), but it would still technically be crust and asthenosphere. And I'm also not sure how wise it would be to try to drill into a subduction zone. Good way to melt your drill bit and bring up lava instead of oil, I'd think. Then again, oil being less dense then rock, it probably melts before the rock does and percolates up through fault lines.
In any case, as you go deeper, the oil WOULD be discontinuous going deeper than the Devonian until you hit any subducted ocean oil. I would say that no, we haven't always been producing oil. If we were, we'd see more evidence of it pre-cambrian stromatolite beds and such, I'd imagine.
Theoretically you could eventually produce oil from newer buried organics, but it depends on the depth of burial and the tectonic activity. It's also unlikely to be occurring at the rate that we can pump out the oil, otherwise oil fields would never stop producing. But you can tap out an oil bed.
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Nothing you say on this matter is of any impotance, what so ever.
"impotance"?
Tell me again about your big brain. How did your brain learn human speech? Seriously.
Mike
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Byte -
Good input. I know it may seem like I'm walking a thin line here, but only because I'm trying to make my meaning to be very specific.
That there needs to be bio matter ( and lots of it ) first, in order for the process of oil to be made, is understandable. So the notion that all the oil that's ever been created was done so, long, long in the past, and there isn't any more being made, kinda misses on 2 points.
First, I was talking about the PROCESS of how oil is made. That's never going to stop, unless all life ceases to exist.
Or the Earth becomes geologically dead....either way, we'r screwed, and it's a moot point.
Second, and here's were things get a bit dicey. Just because the PROCESS of oil creation continues, doesn't mean that we'll have an infinite amount of it, regardless of how much we use, or at what ever rates we'd like. I never said the Earth would go about replenishing oil, so we have nothing to worry about.
We could use up all the oil that's easily found, wait around for a few million years, then start using it again...if we were immortals. But we're not. Well, some of us are, but not everyone. Not yet.
Here's my point. There's lots of oil out there to be found. Found, drilled and used. Lots and lots. Also, even some oil wells which had been written off as dry, are now being found to have " filled up " again. Likely from below, where, as you say, more oil exists, and is rising ...because it's lighter than the rock. I'm not saying ALL oil wells are filling back up to full, and we have an endless supply.... that'd be silly. Of course that's not happening. That we can tell. Yet. Might be just the last tiny fraction is finding its way up, and that's all there is.
Obviously, we must conserve. We must utilize what we have, because we won't be using oil at such rates for eternity. But there's still a freakin' lot of oil out there, to be found. And used. No matter how much we hate to say it, or how much it offends our optimistic nature to admit it, we're going to be using oil for a long time. Best if we accept that fact, and try like hell to make good use of what we have.
In ALL areas.
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Hmm, yeah, I can see that. I don't really like being oil dependent, because I don't particularly like oil, it's nasty stuff as we've seen. But getting off oil would be extremely difficult without time travel.
It's also possible that some of the assessments of remaining global oil only lasting fifty more years (put out by BP, no less) might be a scheme to decrease supply and increase demand.
There might still be value in investing in alternative energy, though. I don't want it to be driven by some batshit crazy globalist movement, but sustainable non-polluting energy sources does have some draw.
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Feed your oblivious hatred all you want, it doesn't change the fact that NO JONES ACT WAIVER WAS ASKED FOR OR NEEDED and that there are lots of international and national boats out there right now. Not enough; it will never be enough; there probably aren't enough boats in the whole WORLD to clean this mess up.
So, because there have been no boats on the shore, no Jones Act waived
If you weren't so blinded by your partisan jihad, you'd be blaming the ones covering up, the ones lying, committing fraud, endangering the lives of the volunteers who ARE doing the work, and cheating every way possible to minimize their own responsibility: British Petroleum.
But you are SO bent on blaming...not the government mind you...but Obama PERSONALLY, you can't even engage in a decent discussion.
Good job on the one post about oil just above, however, it was reasonable and made some sense. As for the rest of what you write: Get a grip!
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As I said before, the free market dipshits wanted this. They've got their wish. They should say "Thank you, Mister President. We'll handle it from here." Instead they come whining like a bunch of pussies, begging - no, DEMANDING - that the government they hate so fucking much should now save their stupid asses. And, as always, they want US to pay for the privilege of bailing their stupid fucking corporate asses out. Fuck 'em. They wanted no part of our regulations and oversight. They did this to us. We did not do this to them.
Thank you, Kwicko. You said exactly what I have been thinking.
Damned if you do, damned if you don't. Government's just the kick bag of the right.
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Originally posted by Magonsdaughter:
Damned if you do, damned if you don't. Government's just the kick bag of the right.
No, it's more like damned if you don't/ damned if you don't
The Gov't isn't the kick bag of the " right ". It's the kick bag of EVERY INTELLIGENT, FREE THINKING INDIVIDUAL !
Guess that leaves you out, however.
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