It's worse than we know
POSTED BY: AURaptor
UPDATED: Friday, August 29, 2025 14:55
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Quote:But we DO see fossils being made. All you have to do is look into peat bogs and estuaries. We also see coal being made... for which there is a continuous record. (peat, lignite, anthracite etc) What we do NOT see is oil being made... nor do we see any evidence that is has been made in the recent geologic past.
Sig Your argument is no more valid than saying since we don't see fossils being made any more, all the fossils which have ever BEEN made are made. Idiocy.
Yanno, you said "Ask any geologist." I will. In fact, I'll ask OIL geologists. Will you defer to their expert opinion? Or will you move the goalposts again?
Whether you do or not, I'm not going to enable you further in covering over your grief with denial. I'll post their answers, and that's it. This discussion is pointless, and counterproductive for you. Please learn to process your feelings in a more fruitful manner.
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As long as you don't cherry pick the responses to suit your view point, and post all that is said... by all means, let everyone see and learn on this issue.
Right. And a " fruitful manner " is one which allows me to blindly agree with you ? Sorry, not gonna happen. Please, you were almost making sense, then you tacked on that nonsensical bit a the end.
Oil is still being made. I'll stand by that. Whether the process allows for humans to wait around and wait for it, is another matter. I never said that it might not take millions of years. But you said yourself. Peat is the early forms of coal, and that process continues on, right before our eyes.
But I've got work to do,and I've wasted enough time bickering over pointless non issues.
Snark and bicker all you want. I'll get back, eventually. 
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Oil can be made all the time, to think that a process that takes millions of years, and specific conditions is going to keep up with demand is pure idiocy, though.
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"Stick with the truth, which is too large to be encapsulated by any ideology."
That's a nice thought, however we have yet to be given the truth by any source. BP lies every day, Obama Admin. & Coast Guard "accept" the lie, and media reports on the lie as new news. I do not see any truth anywhere coming out of this so far. The only truth I can draw from this is that they cannot stop the leak, and that the Gulf states are destined for long-term ecological and economic disaster.
If you have not yet seen this, you may enjoy it. It's probably not too far off the mark.
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This is absurd, I didn't believe he could be serious!
Okay, let's start with your theory. Even if oil IS being produced, our use far far exceeds the production rate. Also, we are now tending to tap into sources that are only partially transformed into oil, meaning we are moving up the chain toward less and less usable sources and eliminating the future development of the more ideal sources.
It takes millions of years to create a tappable deposit of oil, but only about 200 years for us to have used a very large proportion of that. At these rate differences, there is effectively no new oil being created, at least none that will serve any usefulness for us.
This theory is more denial to avoid fear. We're going to have a hard time switching to anything, certainly any ONE thing, to power our love of power, so it's easy to buy into the idea that oil is an infinite part of the earth which we can tap into forever. It's really sad to see people, at this time in history, who so badly want to believe we can go on as we've been going on, and are trying to find reasons to believe we can.
By the way, Kane; I've been married for 35+ years, I don't need to go looking for "a guy". And my weight is 180, which at six feet tall, is 20 lbs. overweight. I'm working to lose that remaining 20 lbs., so you're pathetically off the mark.
The fact that you don't think I'm serious says a lot about you...I'm sad you aren't more trusting of the world, but given the internet, it's to surprising. I got "took" by buying off the internet last year; luckily my bank made it up for me and now I have insurance if it happens again. But anyone here should know me by now, and if you really think I would go to all that trouble to get a lousey $250, that IS sad!
Me, I'm damned frustrated they haven't called me up. I've been pursuing it every day; I know I said they'd need replacements and it might take a while, but I want to get DOWN there--NOW, dammit! I can't just "go", it would be futile as they wouldn't let me do anything; I have to wait for some organization or other to say they'll take me.
WHY I'm explaining this I don't know; probably because that outrageous statement pissed me off. I'm going to have to buy a breathing unit, which I've found at our local OSH for painting, because I'm hearing people are getting sick there from inhaling fumes. They also say they're running out of gear, from gloves to boots. I have my own boots from my time at Marineworld, but I'm also going to take a couple of pairs of heavy gloves, so they don't have to provide me with anything.
I'm still working on this, and I'll be damned if I don't get the chance to do this, it's something I think about every day and plan for.
Fat? No. A con artist? No. Think what you will. If by some fluke (which I REFUSE to think about) I can't go, everyone's money will be either returned or donated to those DOWN there, with receipts for those who want it donated provided to each contributor.
Lastly, I wouldn't meet you if my life depended on it; there are many here I'd ADORE to meet, but you're definitely not one of them!
This thread has become totally absurd; the idea that we can go on using oil infinitely and that anyone actually believes (or wants to believe) that saddens me deeply. How will we get off it in time if people delude themselves into thinking we don't need to?!?!
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Do you want to know how much worse it really is? Read my post on what BP is up to now, please. We've got to do something about this!
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Originally posted by AURaptor:
kwickie - this event had nothing to do w/ Bush / Cheney, Haliburton.... but it may very well have to do w/ Clinton.
"But... but... CLINTON!!!"
Yeah, because the one thing we KNOW Bush and Cheney never touched during their eight year reign of terror was offshore oil drilling or scaling back regulations, right?
Sure. Keep telling yourself that.
Mike
On this matter, make no mistake. I want you to go fuck yourself long and hard, as well as anyone who agrees with you. I got no use for you. --Auraptor
This vile and revolting malice - this is their true colors, always has been, you're just seeing it without the mask of justifications and excuses they hide it behind, is all. Make sure to remember it once they put the mask back on. --Fremdfirma
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Originally posted by AURaptor:
So, you don't see it, thus it doesn't exist?
Hasn't that been the entirety of your claims about the federal response to the oil spill? That you don't see it (because Faux doesn't cover it), ergo it doesn't exist?
You've been saying that quite literally for weeks now.
Mike
On this matter, make no mistake. I want you to go fuck yourself long and hard, as well as anyone who agrees with you. I got no use for you. --Auraptor
This vile and revolting malice - this is their true colors, always has been, you're just seeing it without the mask of justifications and excuses they hide it behind, is all. Make sure to remember it once they put the mask back on. --Fremdfirma
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Originally posted by AURaptor:
Just watched the most sobering t.v. I hope to ever watch. Bigger than 9/11.... on the Gulf oil disaster.
I can't mince words here folks....it's bad. Beyond what we've been told.
Thats why he's spent more time golfing, hosting concerts, going on date nights, and attending Democratic fundraisers then he has on his oil 9/11.
In fact he had a very nice trip there this week. Ate lots of seafood. Kind of like Bush stopping for a hot dog from a cart just before he jumped up on the fire engine to give that impromptu speech during his tour of Ground Zero.
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Originally posted by Niki2:
This is absurd, I didn't believe he could be serious!
Okay, let's start with your theory. Even if oil IS being produced, our use far far exceeds the production rate. Also, we are now tending to tap into sources that are only partially transformed into oil, meaning we are moving up the chain toward less and less usable sources and eliminating the future development of the more ideal sources.
It takes millions of years to create a tappable deposit of oil, but only about 200 years for us to have used a very large proportion of that. At these rate differences, there is effectively no new oil being created, at least none that will serve any usefulness for us.
This theory is more denial to avoid fear. We're going to have a hard time switching to anything, certainly any ONE thing, to power our love of power, so it's easy to buy into the idea that oil is an infinite part of the earth which we can tap into forever. It's really sad to see people, at this time in history, who so badly want to believe we can go on as we've been going on, and are trying to find reasons to believe we can.
By the way, Kane; I've been married for 35+ years, I don't need to go looking for "a guy". And my weight is 180, which at six feet tall, is 20 lbs. overweight. I'm working to lose that remaining 20 lbs., so you're pathetically off the mark.
The fact that you don't think I'm serious says a lot about you...I'm sad you aren't more trusting of the world, but given the internet, it's to surprising. I got "took" by buying off the internet last year; luckily my bank made it up for me and now I have insurance if it happens again. But anyone here should know me by now, and if you really think I would go to all that trouble to get a lousey $250, that IS sad!
Me, I'm damned frustrated they haven't called me up. I've been pursuing it every day; I know I said they'd need replacements and it might take a while, but I want to get DOWN there--NOW, dammit! I can't just "go", it would be futile as they wouldn't let me do anything; I have to wait for some organization or other to say they'll take me.
WHY I'm explaining this I don't know; probably because that outrageous statement pissed me off. I'm going to have to buy a breathing unit, which I've found at our local OSH for painting, because I'm hearing people are getting sick there from inhaling fumes. They also say they're running out of gear, from gloves to boots. I have my own boots from my time at Marineworld, but I'm also going to take a couple of pairs of heavy gloves, so they don't have to provide me with anything.
I'm still working on this, and I'll be damned if I don't get the chance to do this, it's something I think about every day and plan for.
Fat? No. A con artist? No. Think what you will. If by some fluke (which I REFUSE to think about) I can't go, everyone's money will be either returned or donated to those DOWN there, with receipts for those who want it donated provided to each contributor.
Lastly, I wouldn't meet you if my life depended on it; there are many here I'd ADORE to meet, but you're definitely not one of them!
This thread has become totally absurd; the idea that we can go on using oil infinitely and that anyone actually believes (or wants to believe) that saddens me deeply. How will we get off it in time if people delude themselves into thinking we don't need to?!?!
Hippie Operative Nikovich Nikita Nicovna Talibani,
signing off
To our President: “Mr. President, you're a god damn, mother fucking liar. Fuck you, you cock sucking community activist piece of shit.... oh, go fuck yourself, Mr. President” ...Raptor
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