I predict John Carter will be the new Avatar!
POSTED BY: chrisisall
UPDATED: Wednesday, May 5, 2010 21:10
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Oh yes, and "damsels in distress" - well, there's an amusing dynamic between me and my ex, what with me playing to type (evil overlord) and HER playing to type (damsel in distress) which she *knows* I see right through, and the fact that she's willing to try to play me appeals to my inner trickster and winds up baiting me anyways - she knows all this, which is why she does it, but it is an amusing appeal-to-the-villain kinda trick.
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Quote:Do I even dare?
Originally posted by chrisisall:Quote:Sex DOES sell!! Are there less than sexy peeps in most big movies? Princess Leia was covered & modest until Jedi, Megan Fox is WHY those idiot Transformer movies are blockbusters...
Originally posted by Bytemite:
fetish fuel and using sex to sell, and distracts from the deeper themes that the medium is capable of.
I'm sorry here, but men & women are just wired differently, it seems.
Hotgirls are WOW, whereas Hotguys are merely "cool, look at Hotboy. Yum."
Deeper themes are in the undercurrent of well made movies. The reality is that it gots to look good first & foremost to make back the millions, whatever else we get is extra.
Guess so.
The male obsession with physical "attractiveness" is really the severe male aversion to the male inner life. It's our subconscious that gets us involved with the opposite sex, not what she looks like. The more distracted we are by her looks, the less we care about our mommy issues and our low self esteem and a whole lot of other factors that are working, behind the scenes, to get us mixed up with this particular woman. The more obsessed we are with her outside, the less we ever learn about our own inside. It's not "the way we're wired," it's how we've learned to cope with the pain and isolation which our mothers routinely subject us to as male children in this culture. Boys aren't born with an aversion to crying, it is learned behavior, pure and simple. And guess who we blame?
Of course the suffering slave woman is hyper-sexualized, because if she weren't, the man would be called upon to feel something in response to the image of her suffering, and for the typically repressed man, that feeling is going to be some species of acute pain and then nobody buys anything.
Sex sells not because "it's what guys want," it sells because it's man's favorite method of covering up "what guys DON'T want," i.e.: to feel their loneliness, abandonment and powerlessness. Sex as anesthesia. Sex in the media doesn't take away our feelings of loneliness, abandonment and powerlessness, it merely obscures these feelings while keeping them in play and THAT is why we buy whatever the sex is selling: to fill the void. But guess what? The void doesn't get filled, so we buy more. And so it goes. Hyper-sexualized imagery is a cover, a means to an end. Wake up. You're being mind controlled and the reason it works is 'cause you want to be mind controlled, because the alternative is too frightening to contemplate.
Sure, a lovely physical body is lovely, but you are being played, my friend. And the species is suffering for it.
Ha ha! Sleep on it! You'll feel better in the morning! Deprogramming is fun!
HKCavalier
Hey, hey, hey, don't be mean. We don't have to be mean, because, remember, no matter where you go, there you are.
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EDIT: Oops, wrong thread. Sorry.
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Originally posted by Bytemite:
Nudity might be better because at least then it might be slightly artistic.
In a pg-13 Disney film.... don't hold your breath.
"I thoroughly disapprove of duels. If a man should challenge me, I would take him kindly and forgivingly by the hand and lead him to a quiet place and kill him."
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Yeah, I was referring to the comic book series that the images were apparently taken from.
Anyway, my part of the conversation has been split off from here, so you can all enjoy in peace. :)
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Originally posted by chrisisall:Quote:Sex DOES sell!! Are there less than sexy peeps in most big movies? Princess Leia was covered & modest until Jedi, Megan Fox is WHY those idiot Transformer movies are blockbusters...
Originally posted by Bytemite:
fetish fuel and using sex to sell, and distracts from the deeper themes that the medium is capable of.
I'm sorry here, but men & women are just wired differently, it seems.
Hotgirls are WOW, whereas Hotguys are merely "cool, look at Hotboy. Yum."
I'll agree that sex does certainly sell - though I really doubt that the success of Transformers is solely down to Megan Fox and her assetts - if that were even marginally true Jennifer's Body (which features said assets a fair bit more) wouldn't have been a flop.
Also, I've read some studies (which I don't have links to off the top of my head - been a while) that basically say that, statistically speaking, women will go to a movie just for a hot guy (see: the success of any number of lousy films with Gerard Butler or Matthew Mcconaughey), men almost never go to a movie just for a hot woman (see: the failure of many female-led action/genre pictures with women such as Angelina Jolie and Charlize Theron).
Men will go for big FX and spectacle most of the time, but for the cheescake, we just resort to the internet.
"I thoroughly disapprove of duels. If a man should challenge me, I would take him kindly and forgivingly by the hand and lead him to a quiet place and kill him."
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Quote:While there is much truth in this, a beautiful smile on Jane Seymour's lips just melted me at age 11, before I truly keyed into the idea of what sex was all about.
Originally posted by HKCavalier:
Sex sells not because "it's what guys want," it sells because it's man's favorite method of covering up "what guys DON'T want," i.e.: to feel their loneliness, abandonment and powerlessness. Sex as anesthesia.
The laughing Chrisisall
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Quote:I can't refute that logic!
Originally posted by Storymark:
I'll agree that sex does certainly sell - though I really doubt that the success of Transformers is solely down to Megan Fox and her assetts - if that were even marginally true Jennifer's Body (which features said assets a fair bit more) wouldn't have been a flop.
Okay, I DON'T see a movie because a particular female is in it, but that included never hurts.
Better?
The laughing Chrisisall
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Originally posted by HKCavalier:
Sex sells not because "it's what guys want," it sells because it's man's favorite method of covering up "what guys DON'T want," i.e.: to feel their loneliness, abandonment and powerlessness. Sex as anesthesia. Sex in the media doesn't take away our feelings of loneliness, abandonment and powerlessness, it merely obscures these feelings while keeping them in play and THAT is why we buy whatever the sex is selling: to fill the void.
This, presumably, is why rich, powerful, succesful men have throughout history had so little interest in sex.
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Originally posted by Cavalier:Quote:
Originally posted by HKCavalier:
Sex sells not because "it's what guys want," it sells because it's man's favorite method of covering up "what guys DON'T want," i.e.: to feel their loneliness, abandonment and powerlessness. Sex as anesthesia. Sex in the media doesn't take away our feelings of loneliness, abandonment and powerlessness, it merely obscures these feelings while keeping them in play and THAT is why we buy whatever the sex is selling: to fill the void.
This, presumably, is why rich, powerful, succesful men have throughout history had so little interest in sex.
Heh heh. Yeah. It sounds like a woman explaining why men want sex. Sometimes, hell, most times, men just want sex cuz they want sex.
"I thoroughly disapprove of duels. If a man should challenge me, I would take him kindly and forgivingly by the hand and lead him to a quiet place and kill him."
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