Pirates Attack Wrong Ship!
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Whoopsie - looks like that could've gone better...
http://news.yahoo.com/s/afp/20091007/wl_africa_afp/somaliapiracyshippi
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NAIROBI (AFP) – Somali pirates attempted to storm the French navy's 18,000 tonne flagship in the Indian Ocean after mistaking it for a cargo vessel, the French military said on Wednesday.
The crew of La Somme, a 160-metre (525-foot) command vessel and fuel tanker, easily saw off the brazen night-time assault by lightly armed fighters on two lightweight skiffs and captured five pirates, a spokesman said.
"The pirates, who because of the darkness took the French ship for a commercial vessel, were on board two vessels and opened fire with Kalashnikovs," Admiral Christophe Prazuck said in Paris.
La Somme is the French command vessel in the Indian Ocean, overseeing French air, sea and land forces fighting Somali pirates and hunting terrorists under the banner of the US-led Operation Enduring Freedom.
Mike
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While you're living beyond all your means;
And the man in the suit has just bought a new car
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Hello,
This demonstrates the correct technique to deter pirates in the short term-
Outfit merchant vessels as Q-ships and sail them up and down the coast. Then when the pirates attack, pop the .50 cal and 20mm guns and rake em. They won't be able to trust that any ship isn't a deathtrap, and may abandon the endeavor.
--Anthony
"Liberty must not be purchased at the cost of Humanity." --Captain Robert Henner
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Originally posted by AnthonyT:
Hello,
This demonstrates the correct technique to deter pirates in the short term-
Outfit merchant vessels as Q-ships and sail them up and down the coast. Then when the pirates attack, pop the .50 cal and 20mm guns and rake em. They won't be able to trust that any ship isn't a deathtrap, and may abandon the endeavor.
--Anthony
"Liberty must not be purchased at the cost of Humanity." --Captain Robert Henner
Perhaps the long term solution should deal with this:
http://www.associatedcontent.com/article/1644219/somalia_piracy_its_th
e_pollution_not.html
http://www.theecologist.org/News/news_analysis/268581/somalia_used_as_
toxic_dumping_ground.html
while one does not justify the other, the inaction of the international community to do anything about the dumping of waste in Africa, as well as the overfishing by foreign trawlers in the area is a real problem.
http://english.aljazeera.net/news/africa/2008/10/2008109174223218644.h
tml
boarding of ALL suspect vessels in the area would be justified, and if there is a question of who gets people doing this...
give them to the pirates
" I don't believe in hypothetical situations - it's kinda like lying to your brain "
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You know what the difference between a pirate and a customs inspector is ?
Perceived legitimacy.
And yes, the international community DID to some degree provoke this by not respecting that countries waters - as such, those "pirates" could legitmately be called the Somali Naval Forces if you looked at it that way.
I did see this newsclip a couple days back, and my only response to it was to laugh - if a pack of pirates is stupid enough to jump an armed naval vessel, that's just the free market in action, innit now ?
Although that's not HALF as funny as the ones who got OUTRUN by a damn cruise liner, the M/S Nautica.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MS_Nautica
Were I the captain, once I was sure we were losin em, I would have handed off the con to the first officer and gone to the stern to flip em the bird personally as we sailed away.
-Frem
It cannot be said enough, those who do not learn from history, are doomed to endlessly repeat it
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These pirates are just youngsters with no education and no hope. They have few options for survival. I doubt anyone in their situation would do differently.
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Originally posted by GinoBiffaroni:
the inaction of the international community to do anything about the dumping of waste in Africa, as well as the overfishing by foreign trawlers in the area is a real problem.
I believe Jefferson made the same argument.
Your saying they have a legitimate beef and that the attacks are somehow justified. If that is so, then this is not piracy...its war. Perhaps we need to start treating these conficts in the fashion you describe...war, total and complete.
The world has seen America fighting for nearly eight years, and at various times throughout the past fifty...perhaps they need to see America go to war, thats not been seen since the surrender of Japan in 1945.
Clearly fighting alone does not seem to get the job done, but we have a pretty solid record when it comes to war.
H
"Hero. I have come to respect you"- Chrisisall, 2009.
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These pirates are just youngsters with no education and no hope. They have few options for survival. I doubt anyone in their situation would do differently.
Piracy has been around a long time. So has farming, fishing, hunting, gathering, working, building, and the rule of law.
History proves you wrong. Most people have in the situation these folks are in have chosen another path. Piracy, like any other form of violent crime, is far easier and requires less imagination then legitimate work.
H
"Hero. I have come to respect you"- Chrisisall, 2009.
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Originally posted by Hero:Quote:
Originally posted by Jongsstraw:
These pirates are just youngsters with no education and no hope. They have few options for survival. I doubt anyone in their situation would do differently.
Piracy has been around a long time. So has farming, fishing, hunting, gathering, working, building, and the rule of law.
History proves you wrong. Most people have in the situation these folks are in have chosen another path. Piracy, like any other form of violent crime, is far easier and requires less imagination then legitimate work.
H
"Hero. I have come to respect you"- Chrisisall, 2009.
What work? This is the horn of Africa. I suppose they could bury the dead all day. That would keep them busy. History never proves anything except to document the past. Everything changes in an ever-evolving world. These a'int the Barbary Pirates.
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Originally posted by Hero:Quote:
Originally posted by GinoBiffaroni:
the inaction of the international community to do anything about the dumping of waste in Africa, as well as the overfishing by foreign trawlers in the area is a real problem.
I believe Jefferson made the same argument.
Your saying they have a legitimate beef and that the attacks are somehow justified. If that is so, then this is not piracy...its war. Perhaps we need to start treating these conficts in the fashion you describe...war, total and complete.
The world has seen America fighting for nearly eight years, and at various times throughout the past fifty...perhaps they need to see America go to war, thats not been seen since the surrender of Japan in 1945.
Clearly fighting alone does not seem to get the job done, but we have a pretty solid record when it comes to war.
H
"Hero. I have come to respect you"- Chrisisall, 2009.
No, I did state one act does not justify the other
But, as you are a lawyer I am surprised you missed my point.
Many of these little conflicts could be handled before they become conflicts if the mechanisms of international law were effective, and usable by some of these smaller or unpopular nations.
The problems of toxic waste dumping were presented at the UN as early as 1998? ( I think, I'd have to go hunting for the cite if you want it ) and nothing was done.
The EU has taken some action on a few very blatant abuses, be they don't seem to want to step in ( and the dumping here is largely from their membership )
The first gulf war and the issue of Kuwaiti cross border drilling.... all may have been avoided with an effective legal process
I'm sure many other conflicts could, and probably should have been headed off before military action was necessary...
maybe save lives, money, etc
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Originally posted by Jongsstraw:
What work? This is the horn of Africa.
Are you saying there is nothing that needs done in Africa or that they are simply incapable of doing anything besides piracy or simply rolling over and dying.
Seems if they have a boat, they can figure out how to fish. Lots of jobs. Somebody to make nets, somebody to fish, somebody to maintain the boat, somebody to unload the fish, somebody to sell the fish...seems to me that with a little imagination and some microeconomics, they have the makings of an industry.
Or they can use guns to steal.
H
"Hero. I have come to respect you"- Chrisisall, 2009.
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