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WHOZIT

Friday, August 21, 2009 9:52 PM

426 hp..... fuck hybrids! This is America, you want somthing that's fun to drive! Little tiny cars are dull. Life is short, the hell with Viagra, get somthing with some POWER! If you don't like powerful cars, then you hate America. Green Cars = Dull

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,541042,00.html

KWICKO

Friday, August 21, 2009 11:07 PM

For the record, the V8 version is expected to make up less than 40% of Camaro production. The V6 model will be the one that people buy - IF they buy Camaros at all.

Wanna take bets on how many recalls there will be on the 2010 Camaro? My bet is there'll be no less than SEVEN recalls on it before 2012.

Any takers?

By the way, it seems American car buyers hate America. The Dodge Challenger and the Chevy Camaro both make much more power than the Mustang GT. Oddly, Ford is the only one of the Big Three that isn't in bankruptcy.

So much for horsepower.

Maybe you don't wanna toss that Viagra just yet.

Mike

WHOZIT

Friday, August 21, 2009 11:11 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by Kwicko:
For the record, the V8 version is expected to make up less than 40% of Camaro production. The V6 model will be the one that people buy - IF they buy Camaros at all.

Wanna take bets on how many recalls there will be on the 2010 Camaro? My bet is there'll be no less than SEVEN recalls on it before 2012.

Any takers?

By the way, it seems American car buyers hate America. The Dodge Challenger and the Chevy Camaro both make much more power than the Mustang GT. Oddly, Ford is the only one of the Big Three that isn't in bankruptcy.

So much for horsepower.

Maybe you don't wanna toss that Viagra just yet.

Mike

You want one

KWICKO

Saturday, August 22, 2009 2:56 AM

Actually, I don't. I find it cartoonish. I *DO* want a C6 Corvette, though. But I'm weird that way - I actually prefer my cars to perform well through the turns, not just in a quarter-mile. Last time I checked, my commute to work involved both left and right turns, and was more than a quarter-mile long.

Sorry, but I was raised on European and Japanese cars. There are VERY few American cars that I ever got excited about. A '67 Mustang fastback with a 390 V8 and a 4-speed transmission is sex on wheels. A Corvette Z06 ain't bad either. Firebirds, Camaros, Trans Ams, Z28s, 5.0 'Stangs... none of those ever did a thing for me.

Mike

WHOZIT

Saturday, August 22, 2009 11:38 AM

Quote:
Originally posted by Kwicko:
Actually, I don't. I find it cartoonish. I *DO* want a C6 Corvette, though. But I'm weird that way - I actually prefer my cars to perform well through the turns, not just in a quarter-mile. Last time I checked, my commute to work involved both left and right turns, and was more than a quarter-mile long.

Sorry, but I was raised on European and Japanese cars. There are VERY few American cars that I ever got excited about. A '67 Mustang fastback with a 390 V8 and a 4-speed transmission is sex on wheels. A Corvette Z06 ain't bad either. Firebirds, Camaros, Trans Ams, Z28s, 5.0 'Stangs... none of those ever did a thing for me.

Mike

FYI, greatest musle car ever, 1970 Buick GS with the "Stage 1" motor......it's a fact.

KWICKO

Saturday, August 22, 2009 1:46 PM

Well, it's not a "fact" - it's an "opinion".

Stage 1 GS 455 made a measly 360hp. That's not really "great" for a muscle car. Heck, a Hyundai makes 306 now. And the new Mustang GT makes 360hp out of a little 4.6-liter V8.

I know it seemed like a lot of power back then, but that's only because of the car's shitty handling and horrible brakes. I speak from experience - I rode with a high school buddy when he went to test drive a GS 455. Got off the lot, he gunned it, tried to turn a corner, and plowed straight into a parked car. I got out and walked.

My favorite Buick was the boat-tail Riviera. I had a '73 - sadly, it did not have the Stage 1 option, just a "regular" old 455 wiht a single four-barrel carb. Either way, it was more than enough power for the car. It wasn't a good-handling car, either, but it was pretty enough that you didn't really care...

Mike

FREMDFIRMA

Saturday, August 22, 2009 1:54 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by Kwicko:
But I'm weird that way - I actually prefer my cars to perform well through the turns, not just in a quarter-mile.

Not a Mopar fan, eh ?

I tellya what though, you in that Fastback versus me in a 71 Hemi-Cuda from Slanesville, WV to Maysville, WV - no holds barred, and I bet I could take you.

While the big mopar bastards don't do so well in the twisties on asphalt, someone who knows what they're doin can make that mother dance on dirt.

Heh heh heh.

-F

FREMDFIRMA

Saturday, August 22, 2009 2:07 PM

I just have to throw this in, Mikey.

Even better idea, pick up a chain race, you drive lead and lemme run the tail car.

Sample rules.
http://www.localracechat.com/forums/showthread.php?p=229660

Course, there's the possibility I might go for a hat trick on ya, I play rough, and have flipped two tailcars upsidedown in my time.

-F

WHOZIT

Saturday, August 22, 2009 3:51 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by Kwicko:
Well, it's not a "fact" - it's an "opinion".

Stage 1 GS 455 made a measly 360hp. That's not really "great" for a muscle car. Heck, a Hyundai makes 306 now. And the new Mustang GT makes 360hp out of a little 4.6-liter V8.

I know it seemed like a lot of power back then, but that's only because of the car's shitty handling and horrible brakes. I speak from experience - I rode with a high school buddy when he went to test drive a GS 455. Got off the lot, he gunned it, tried to turn a corner, and plowed straight into a parked car. I got out and walked.

My favorite Buick was the boat-tail Riviera. I had a '73 - sadly, it did not have the Stage 1 option, just a "regular" old 455 wiht a single four-barrel carb. Either way, it was more than enough power for the car. It wasn't a good-handling car, either, but it was pretty enough that you didn't really care...

Mike

My father said the Riviera and the GS were great "mid-life crisis" cars, a 40 somthing guy would walk into a Buick dealer for a new LeSabre, and ride out in a GS

KWICKO

Saturday, August 22, 2009 9:01 PM

Not sure about a mid-life crisis, since I wasn't even 20 when I bought mine. I was just out of a 3-month hospital stay after a particularly horrific motorcycle accident, and felt a rather pressing need to surround myself with just about as much steel as was practical. So I bought a Riv. It was 1982, I was 19, the car was 9, and had one owner and 17,000 miles, and not a dent or scratch anywhere on it. I picked it up for $1600.

Also, I may have spoken too soon when I said I wanted a 'Vette. Instead, I think I'd rather go with this:

Especially if they offer it in a V model. And yes, that's a Cadillac station wagon, only they get pissed at you if you call it that. I've always had a soft spot for wagons. They make the most automotive sense to me. Handling of a decent sports sedan when they're done right, and more usable space than most SUVs, since they aren't eaten up with body-on-frame inefficiencies of space utilization.

And the CTS Sportwagon is a sexy beast, in its way. If they offer a CTS-V model like they do with the sedan, you'd have one badass motherfucker of a wagon. For the uninitiated, the V gets the engine from the Corvette Z06, except they go ahead and add a supercharger, since 504 horsepower isn't seen as "enough". So it makes 560hp. In a Cadillac. With a 6-speed manual transmission, no less.

And to think, a few years ago when Cadillac announced that they were going racing, no one laughed louder or harder than I did. I opined that their drivers should have graphics of old-lady-style blue hair on their helmets, and the cars should be equipped with a left blinker that stays on for the entire race.

Well, they didn't win any races, but they made some headway, and they got some attention for their "art+science" design language, which has now reached full maturity with the latest CTS model. It's not a classically pretty car, but it is striking. It's no Aston Martin Rapide, but it's more recognizable than a Lexus or Mercedes-Benz.

Mike

KWICKO

Saturday, August 22, 2009 9:02 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by Fremdfirma:
Quote:
Originally posted by Kwicko:
But I'm weird that way - I actually prefer my cars to perform well through the turns, not just in a quarter-mile.

Not a Mopar fan, eh ?

I tellya what though, you in that Fastback versus me in a 71 Hemi-Cuda from Slanesville, WV to Maysville, WV - no holds barred, and I bet I could take you.

While the big mopar bastards don't do so well in the twisties on asphalt, someone who knows what they're doin can make that mother dance on dirt.

Heh heh heh.

-F

Nothin' doin'. Never race a moonshiner on his home turf. It's a sucker bet.

Mike

WHOZIT

Saturday, August 22, 2009 9:08 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by Kwicko:
Not sure about a mid-life crisis, since I wasn't even 20 when I bought mine. I was just out of a 3-month hospital stay after a particularly horrific motorcycle accident, and felt a rather pressing need to surround myself with just about as much steel as was practical. So I bought a Riv. It was 1982, I was 19, the car was 9, and had one owner and 17,000 miles, and not a dent or scratch anywhere on it. I picked it up for $1600.

Also, I may have spoken too soon when I said I wanted a 'Vette. Instead, I think I'd rather go with this:

Especially if they offer it in a V model. And yes, that's a Cadillac station wagon, only they get pissed at you if you call it that. I've always had a soft spot for wagons. They make the most automotive sense to me. Handling of a decent sports sedan when they're done right, and more usable space than most SUVs, since they aren't eaten up with body-on-frame inefficiencies of space utilization.

And the CTS Sportwagon is a sexy beast, in its way. If they offer a CTS-V model like they do with the sedan, you'd have one badass motherfucker of a wagon. For the uninitiated, the V gets the engine from the Corvette Z06, except they go ahead and add a supercharger, since 504 horsepower isn't seen as "enough". So it makes 560hp. In a Cadillac. With a 6-speed manual transmission, no less.

And to think, a few years ago when Cadillac announced that they were going racing, no one laughed louder or harder than I did. I opined that their drivers should have graphics of old-lady-style blue hair on their helmets, and the cars should be equipped with a left blinker that stays on for the entire race.

Well, they didn't win any races, but they made some headway, and they got some attention for their "art+science" design language, which has now reached full maturity with the latest CTS model. It's not a classically pretty car, but it is striking. It's no Aston Martin Rapide, but it's more recognizable than a Lexus or Mercedes-Benz.

Mike

Even tho you've been thru horror.... I WANT SOMTHING WITH A HEMI!!!! Sorry.

KWICKO

Sunday, August 23, 2009 1:12 AM

You want something with a Hemi? Go for it. So far as I know, all this rampant socialism has yet to outlaw the Hemi.

Mike

FREMDFIRMA

Sunday, August 23, 2009 2:51 AM

Quote:
I WANT SOMTHING WITH A HEMI!!!!

http://www.tomosusa.com/pages/model/sprint

Well, there's one you can prolly afford.
And no, not kidding, it's a friggin hemi.

-F

DREAMTROVE

Sunday, August 23, 2009 3:05 AM

I like green cars. They're comfy, quiet, and no toxic fumes to breath.

I'm torn tho

or

AG05

Sunday, August 23, 2009 3:31 AM

Quote:
Originally posted by Kwicko:

My favorite Buick was the boat-tail Riviera. I had a '73 - sadly, it did not have the Stage 1 option, just a "regular" old 455 wiht a single four-barrel carb. Either way, it was more than enough power for the car. It wasn't a good-handling car, either, but it was pretty enough that you didn't really care...

Mike

I LOVE the 71-73 Rivieras! My local car dealership has one in an old showroom, alongside a 49 Roadmaster and the most beautiful sivler 64 Riviera I've ever seen. Wire wheels, dark red leather interior. Sexy.

WHOZIT, a four-door Aston is sacrilege. Google "Lagonda" for proof.

Mercy is the mark of a great man.
Guess I'm just a good man.
Well, I'm alright.