Terminator Sarah Connor Chronicals

POSTED BY: jameron4eva
UPDATED: Friday, October 30, 2009 05:02
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STORYMARK

Wednesday, August 19, 2009 6:04 PM

Yeah, uneven is a good way to describe both shows. However, I tend to give shows slack for a shakey first season. So, Dollhouse gets more leeway than TSCC in that regard. TSCC had more time to find it's footing (not to mention starting off with an established mythology).

"I thoroughly disapprove of duels. If a man should challenge me, I would take him kindly and forgivingly by the hand and lead him to a quiet place and kill him."

ZEEK

Wednesday, August 19, 2009 9:08 PM

kwicko, it's like you read my mind. I have no great love for Dollhouse either. In fact I think I would have given up on it quicker than TSCC if it weren't for Joss. I gave TSCC a while into season 2 before giving up on it.

I won't buy either on DVD though.

JAMERON4EVA

Thursday, August 20, 2009 1:16 AM

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Originally posted by Zeek:
Don't go calling people who don't like your show haters. I gave the show over a season's worth of a chance and it only had a couple decent episodes. Then it went right back to being mediocre. I'm not going to call you names for liking it.

Listen, i don't go around kalling people haters for nothing, i'm just saying, if you don't watch the character DEVELOPMENT, then you suck. It takes time to develop the characters, look at it, by the end Cameron was just on the verge of her own humanity, she was understanding humanity. John was getting over the fact Cameron was a machine, and he was looking at her as a human, even though he called her machine, that was his way of dealing with the fallout of the cliffhanger, and if you watched, he was getting over those events, and he was felling like a complete dick for his tratment of Cameron. Sarah stayed the same, but was slowly being opened to John's view. And Derek was Derek, he was getting over in his own way, he by the end was no longer trying to kill Cameron every ep, he was getting over.

Now to all those who doubt John fell in love with Cameron watch "Born to Run", the finallie, (FOX!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!)
, LOOK AT HIS REACTION AT THE END, AND YOU'LL UNDERSTAND WHY I LOVE THIS SHOW, IT'S MORE THAN WHAT A LOT OF YOU SOUND LIKE YOU LIKE, (ACTION, ACTION, ACTION, ACTION,) It's about development of the Leader of humanity during the Machine war, and the development of a Terminator, and how they interact during the first and last eps. And before you go knocking the show, BE SURE TO WATCH ALL OF THE EPISODES FIRST. And if you don't believe Cameron has grown, watch the message she sends John.

Now i have to go see to some wayword Stormtroopers,
Jameron4eva

JAMERON4EVA

Thursday, August 20, 2009 1:18 AM

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Originally posted by Kwicko:
Quote:
Originally posted by Zeek:
Don't go calling people who don't like your show haters. I gave the show over a season's worth of a chance and it only had a couple decent episodes. Then it went right back to being mediocre. I'm not going to call you names for liking it.

THANK YOU, ZEEK!!!

That's what I've been saying. "Mediocre" is the operative word.

How many times we going to have this conversation, Jameron?

Mike

I have the persistance of a Terminator, I WILL NEVER WARE DOWN!!

TSCC 4 EVA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

And if you want mediocre, watch Castle.

DEWRASTLER

Thursday, August 20, 2009 2:30 AM

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Originally posted by jameron4eva:

Now to all those who doubt John fell in love with Cameron watch "Born to Run", the finallie, (FOX!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!)
, LOOK AT HIS REACTION AT THE END, AND YOU'LL UNDERSTAND WHY I LOVE THIS SHOW, IT'S MORE THAN WHAT A LOT OF YOU SOUND LIKE YOU LIKE, (ACTION, ACTION, ACTION, ACTION,) It's about development of the Leader of humanity during the Machine war, and the development of a Terminator, and how they interact during the first and last eps. And before you go knocking the show, BE SURE TO WATCH ALL OF THE EPISODES FIRST. And if you don't believe Cameron has grown, watch the message she sends John.

The problem with the show was that it strayed away from this too much. It focused too much on Sarah, when Sarah wasn't the interesting character. Those were the episodes that dragged on and pulled the show down. Hence the common belief that this show had flashes of brilliance but overall was a bit lacking. (I love getting to use the word hence)

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TRAVELER

Thursday, August 20, 2009 3:34 AM

So people who don't share your opinion are haters and suck.

Well I am a card carrying member.

http://www.imdb.com/mymovies/list?l=28764731
Traveler

KWICKO

Thursday, August 20, 2009 4:02 AM

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Originally posted by Zeek:
kwicko, it's like you read my mind. I have no great love for Dollhouse either. In fact I think I would have given up on it quicker than TSCC if it weren't for Joss. I gave TSCC a while into season 2 before giving up on it.

I won't buy either on DVD though.

Oh, if it weren't Joss's show, I wouldn't have finished S1. I'd have quit about 5 eps in.

Mike

KWICKO

Thursday, August 20, 2009 4:05 AM

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Now to all those who doubt John fell in love with Cameron watch "Born to Run", the finallie,

For some shows, the ender is called a "finalé", the grand finish. For others, it's called (with thanks to The Soup for coming up with this one) a "finally". As in, "Thank god THAT's finally over!"

Guess which category I put TSCC's ending in.

Mike

KWICKO

Thursday, August 20, 2009 4:07 AM

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(I love getting to use the word hence)

Hence your use of it, twice.

Hence is quite an awesome word. Don't get enough "hence" these days.

Mike

ASARIAN

Thursday, August 20, 2009 8:38 AM

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Originally posted by jameron4eva:
Quote:
Originally posted by Zeek:
Don't go calling people who don't like your show haters. I gave the show over a season's worth of a chance and it only had a couple decent episodes. Then it went right back to being mediocre. I'm not going to call you names for liking it.

Listen, i don't go around kalling people haters for nothing, i'm just saying, if you don't watch the character DEVELOPMENT, then you suck.

I shouldn't be taking the troll-bait, really; but I'll bite quick enough to say Zeek is entirely right, of course. On every count.

Personally, I took 'mediocre' as a kindness, even. Hate me for it, if you must. :)

Thomas Dekker's whiney acting stood out like a sore thumb, all throughout the show. Towards the end, there's was maybe like one episode where I was finally not annoyed with the twerp, and I could actually see him as a plausible future Resistance leader. Now, you can take that one brief instance of rising above mediocrity and call it "character development." Or you could be brave enough and admit that his overall performance was just dismal.

And then his mom. Don't get me started on her! Always angry, always sour, always unpleasant. Supposedly out of concern for John. It's a tale of woe. Very stirring. In the meantime she just succeeded to annoy.

Stephanie Jacobsen, as Jesse, was fair hot, I'll give her that. And that episode she killed Riley was one of her better ones. And then... they took her out of the loop.

And Summer, what can I say? She excelled in "Allison from Palmdale," painfully laying bare how her talents were wasted in this show. Instead they had her standing around, numb, for most of the time. And there's really only so much brilliance one can put into doing that.

Then there was bad scripting. Oh yeah, there was plenty of that. They host an entire chess tournament, yet they couldn't find any prop-guy with the wherewithal to actually place the chessboards properly; they want us to believe they built the most advanced A.I., yet when he 'forgets' something, apparently there was a fault on the harddrive (whereas every half-way decent home server across the world has some sort of RAID these days). Could go on for ever. Won't.

Either they gave us tech-talk only a 4th-grader would buy, or they went overboard the other way: John intenssely staring at Cameron's arm, diagnosing the problem as something "deeply internal." Why, thank you, Dr. Obvious, for that brilliant display of deductive reasoning! I'm sure Cameron could never have figured it out on her own. In fact, that whole stuff, with Cameron killing that bird and all, supposedly meaning to wax philosophical, failed miserably as a whole.

I guess the biggest problem with the show was that it continually tried to take things into a new direction. And, as a result, it went nowhere at all. Shows like that usually end the way this one did: they end.

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