Out2Lunch Backs Down, Admits the 'Birfers' are Complete Nutjobs!

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SIGNYM

Tuesday, July 21, 2009 11:16 PM

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So YOUR strategy is to Elect the Reprehensible , the Immoral , the Guilty , and then , perhaps ask questions maybe LATER ?

Obama has a valid USA passport. He has met whatever burden of proof they require, which includes a birth certificate or naturalization papers. Sounds fine with me. If you want to hold him to a HIGHER standard of proof, have at it. Keep it up! I'm sure you'll find the answer.

OUT2THEBLACK

Tuesday, July 21, 2009 11:17 PM

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Originally posted by Bytemite:
Yeah. I haven't liked what I've been seeing with the government for maybe ten years now. Before then, I was too young to pay attention, and hadn't read what I have now.

So I'm pretty new at this resist the government civil dissent stuff. From what I've observed, seems like the best thing I can do is stay informed and don't take anything for granted, because you can get lied to. And to not dismiss a concern about the government that the people around you consider paranoia, because better safe than sorry.

The more I know, the more I can use that knowledge. Don't know how to shoot a gun, don't really want to learn, so that's my contribution to making things better.

Good on you for being attentive and inquisitive...

Necessity is the mother of invention...Well , it's a mother , anyway...

OUT2THEBLACK

Tuesday, July 21, 2009 11:18 PM

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Originally posted by SignyM:
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So YOUR strategy is to Elect the Reprehensible , the Immoral , the Guilty , and then , perhaps ask questions maybe LATER ?
Obama has a valid USA passport. He has met whatever burden of proof they require, which includes a birth certificate or naturalization papers. Sounds fine with me. If you want to hold him to a HIGHER standard of proof, have at it. Keep it up! I'm sure you'll find the answer.

Thanks for clearing that up , Mother Superior !

Now we know what he's missing !

Usurper hasn't had his SHOTS !

OUT2THEBLACK

Tuesday, July 21, 2009 11:23 PM

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Originally posted by SignyM:
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The SickyNym/Ruetard Attack Squad Axis is back in action , performing their reflexive ad hominem attacks , ad nauseum...The burden of proof is ALWAYS going to be on those who'd seek to lead by holding elected office..
Did I attack YOU, Out2Nowhere? My post, you sh^tstick, was not a personal attack. And Rue's was an EXAMPLE of of WHY the burden of proof lies with the accuser. Something about presumed innocent... a concept you seem to have a serious problem with. (As you do with a lot of concepts, apparently. One of them being polite conversation.) Are you such a moron that you didn't get that point?

So, if you really thought my previous post was ad hominem, I thought I'd give you one, you friggin' retard.

Obama has a valid USA passport. Go f*ck yourself, if you can figure out which end is which.

Business as usual , here in RWED...

Bend over , SickyNym , you have to take your shots...

BYTEMITE

Tuesday, July 21, 2009 11:25 PM

And really, questioning Barack Obama's legitimacy is a fine thing to do, you have that right, and if there's any question of it, it would need to be done.

I myself am not convinced, to be honest, and just don't think proving or disproving his legitimacy is any help to the things I'm worried about, like mandates on health care, and invasion of privacy, and the "for your own good/the good of the public" thinking that dominates the government and lets monsters through the loopholes.

But you guys think this is a concern, it's not my place to cut you down or discourage you. Sorry if I've come across that way. Don't think I have any more to say on this, but I'll keep reading, it's interesting.

RUE

Tuesday, July 21, 2009 11:32 PM

OTB --- just keep at it !

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"But , since the burden of proof belongs to Barack 'Barry' Hussein Soetoro Obama Soetoro WhatzizzName? ScamBO ..."

Really ? REALLY ??

Well then, for the record, you're a child rapist and a drug dealer who pimps out your own daughter - and BTW - the burden of proof is on you to show us all you're not.

Because WHY ? Well, because I said so !

KWICKO

Tuesday, July 21, 2009 11:37 PM

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PN posted some examples of non-native presidents causing bad issues in other nations...

Actually, he didn't. He alluded to such things happening, but didn't provide any real, factual examples.

KWICKO

Tuesday, July 21, 2009 11:39 PM

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You do realize that you can be prosecuted for making false statements concerning my character , right ?

You haven't proven them false. Remember, the burden's on you, according to you.

Mike

Build a man a fire and he'll be warm for a day...
Set a man on fire and he'll be warm for the rest of his life.

If it wasn't for my horse, I wouldn't have spent that year in college...

KWICKO

Tuesday, July 21, 2009 11:43 PM

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Any moment now , Squicko and ShittiZen will no doubt join the dogpile , and start flinging go se , correct ?

Honestly, OutOfYourHead, the only ones flinging shit here are you and PirateJew.

KWICKO

Tuesday, July 21, 2009 11:47 PM

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Originally posted by out2theblack:
Show your CITES , attack-drone Squicko !

The U.S. Constitution.

Can you show YOUR "cites"? Can you show me, specifically, the exact part of the Constitution you're speaking of when you say that both parents must be citizens able to confer citizenship?

Mike

Build a man a fire and he'll be warm for a day...
Set a man on fire and he'll be warm for the rest of his life.

If it wasn't for my horse, I wouldn't have spent that year in college...

SIGNYM

Tuesday, July 21, 2009 11:47 PM

Logic: Not Out2Lunch's strong point.

KWICKO

Tuesday, July 21, 2009 11:55 PM

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Originally posted by SignyM:
Logic: Not Out2Lunch's strong point.

Sheesh... no kidding.

SIGNYM

Wednesday, July 22, 2009 12:04 AM

Out2Lunch- Just gonna finish up with you here on one point: I'll be happy to discuss with you IF YOU STOP BEING SO FRIGGIN' INSULTING. Been civil to you up to now, but it seems like you can't stop yourself from going into attack-dog mode whenever you see my sign-on. So don't be surprised if you attack me (again!) and I call you a c%nt or some other perjorative term in response. And don't complain about it either 'cause you've been warned.

RUE

Wednesday, July 22, 2009 12:30 AM

"You do realize that you can be prosecuted for making false statements concerning my character , right ?"

Oh - that's right. You reputation has been ruined and you've suffered financial damages and emotional distress because of what was posted (by way of illustration, I may add) on an ANONYMOUS website !

Meanwhile, maybe the DoJ should be looking at YOU because frankly, you've said sh^t about an actual, and more importantly, identifiable person.

Good luck with that.

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Silence is consent.

PIRATENEWS

Wednesday, July 22, 2009 4:12 AM

American women have more balls than the men. Must be those antiandrogens in the water bottles.

Obama used 39 Social Security numbers:
www.yannone.org/audio/OrlyTaitzJDHayworth071509.mp3

This is now a daily news item on major TV netoworks.

Lou Dobbs covered Obama's lack of birth certificate tonight, again.
youtube.com/results?search_query=obama+birth+certificate+lou+dobbs&search_type=&aq=f

Even the sharks are smelling blood...

OUT2THEBLACK

Wednesday, July 22, 2009 9:48 PM

' "...No Person except a natural born Citizen, or a Citizen of the United
States, at the time of the Adoption of this Constitution, shall be eligible
to the Office of President.

--United States Constitution, article II

Despite its. apparent simplicity, the natural-born citizen clause of the Constitution has never been completely understood.

It is well settled that 'native-born' citizens, those born in the United States, qualify as natural born.

It is also clear that persons born abroad of alien parents, who later become citizens by naturalization, do not." '

http://yalelawjournal.org/images/pdfs/pryor_note.pdf

OUT2THEBLACK

Wednesday, July 22, 2009 10:07 PM

Says here , the burden of proof is on Obama , et al :

'Tuesday, July 21, 2009 posted by admin

U.S. Attorney General Eric Holder Refuses to Prosecute President Obama

Berg files Response and Requests a Hearing to denial of “Conflict-of-Interest” by A.G.Eric Holder

Under False Claims Act whereby Obama was accused of Defrauding the U.S. Treasury by Illegally being a U.S. Senator from Illinois
as Obama is an Illegal Alien, not a U.S. Citizen

Eric Holder Violated the Code of Federal Regulations as well as Federal Criminal Laws Pertaining to his Conflict-of-Interest

www.obamacrimes.com is the web site for the truth about Obama

(Washington, DC – 07/21/2009) – Philip J. Berg, Esquire, the first Attorney who filed suit against Barack H. Obama challenging Senator Obama’s lack of Constitutional “qualifications/eligibility” to serve as President of the United States and his cases that are still pending in Federal Court, Berg vs. Obama [Third Circuit Court of Appeals No. 08 – 4340]; this case – Berg as Relator v. Obama; [U. S. District Court for the District of Columbia No. 08-cv-01933]; and Hollister vs. Soetoro a/k/a Obama, et al [U.S. Court of Appeals for the District of Columbia, No. 09-5080]; announced today that he filed a Reply to the U.S. Response in Opposition to our Motion for Reconsideration in the Qui Tam [False Claims Act] Case filed in the U.S. District Court, District of Columbia as United States Attorney General Eric Holder and his Office have a Conflict-of-Interest and inasmuch violated both the Federal Regulations as well as Federal Criminal Codes. U.S. Attorney General Eric Holder, his Office, his Staff and the United States Department of Justice are required to uphold and ensure our laws; the laws of the United States are upheld and enforced.

Article II, Section 3 of the U.S. Constitution states:

“The Constitution entrusts the Executive with duty to take Care that the Laws be faithfully executed.”

Berg said, “Our Reply dealt head-on with the fact Attorney General Eric Holder’s staff has avoided the Conflict-of-Interest issue and our request for a Special Prosecutor if the Government will not allow me, Philip J. Berg, as the Relator to proceed to prosecute Obama.

It is our position that the Government’s attempt to dismiss the qui tam case against Barry Soetoro a/k/a Barack H. Obama is in clear violation of the U.S. Attorney General’s duties pursuant to Article II, Section 3 and should ‘NOT’ be allowed.”

Berg continues, “I furnished the Government and the Court with the information as to Barry Soetoro a/k/a Barack Hussein Obama’s legal name, which is Barry Soetoro and his citizenship status as Indonesian; I furnished sworn Affidavits showing Barry Soetoro a/k/a Barack Hussein Obama was born in Mombosa, Kenya; I presented evidence that the Certification of Live Birth [COLB] presented on the internet by Barry Soetoro a/k/a Barack Hussein Obama has been deemed a forged and altered document; I presented evidence that the birth announcement filed in the Hawaiian newspapers regarding Barack H. Obama on or about August 13, 1961 could not be verified; I presented evidence Barry Soetoro a/k/a Barack Hussein Obama never resided in the address on the birth announcement; and I raised the genuine issues pertaining to Barry Soetoro a/k/a Barack Hussein Obama’s college records wherein Berg is informed, believes and therefore alleges Barry Soetoro a/k/a Barack Hussein Obama attended Occidental College in California and Columbia University in New York and Harvard Law School as a foreign student. None of which have been refuted by the Government.”

“Instead of investigating the true issues, the Government through the United States Attorney General Eric Holder, his staff and the United States Department of Justice, who U.S. Attorney General Eric Holder also over-sees moved to Dismiss the Qui Tam action instead of upholding our United States Constitution and the very laws stated to protect “we the people” from any individual usurping the Office of the President of the United Sta

OUT2THEBLACK

Wednesday, July 22, 2009 10:28 PM

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Originally posted by Hero:

Normally I leave the 'Obama Not Natural Born' stuff to PN and the crazytalkers.

I fully expected the military to go after this guy arguing the same arguments used successfully in past suits to preclude the discovery process from going foreward. The nature of this case made that more difficult.

...suddenly the usual "we don't have to respond" argument does not work.

...I am now of the opinion that the question needs to be settled, so it is my hope that soldiers will continue to challenge the President in such numbers until he produces the document.

Thats the whole point. One document, simple solution, and we can all point and laugh at the crazytalkers.

H

True enough , Hero...

Makes sense , what you said...

All true , all true .

KWICKO

Wednesday, July 22, 2009 11:09 PM

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Originally posted by out2theblack:
' "...No Person except a natural born Citizen, or a Citizen of the United
States, at the time of the Adoption of this Constitution, shall be eligible
to the Office of President.

--United States Constitution, article II

Despite its. apparent simplicity, the natural-born citizen clause of the Constitution has never been completely understood.

It is well settled that 'native-born' citizens, those born in the United States, qualify as natural born.

It is also clear that persons born abroad of alien parents, who later become citizens by naturalization, do not." '

http://yalelawjournal.org/images/pdfs/pryor_note.pdf

Oh, I totally get that YOU don't understand plain English, but it seems pretty clear to me - and it says absolutely nothing about what you CLAIMED it says in your earlier post, when you maintained that

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'"Barack Hussein Obama, in order to prove his constitutional eligibility to serve as president, basically needs only produce a single unique historical document for the Plaintiff’s inspection and authentication: namely, the 'long-form' birth certificate which will confirm whether Barack Hussein Obama was in fact born to parents who were both citizens of the United States in Honolulu, Hawaii, in or about 1961," explains the complaint.

Of course, you'll claim it wasn't YOU who said that, but that you were merely quoting someone else - which you were, but you were quoting them as the main source of YOUR point. And, as you say,

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You should not infer anything that I did not imply...

I'm a plain talker...

Plainly you've implied that anyone eligible to run for President must have parents who are both citizens of the U.S., something that is plainly NOT in the Constitution, but which you've tried to maintain IS in there. Here's you doing it again, in your own words:

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It's only a non-issue if the baby goes out with the bathwater .

In this case , the 'baby' is the Constitution , which , like it or not , still requires BOTH of a Presidential candidates' parents to be US Citizens capable of conferring citizenship upon their child by virtue of his being 'natural-born', in other words , native to the United States...

Plain and simple...

So I guess I have to ask the question, since obviously such a "plain talker" as you can't quite grasp it by implication (or inference, for that matter): Are you really that misinformed, or are you intentionally lying to try to bolster your "case"?

Mike

Build a man a fire and he'll be warm for a day...
Set a man on fire and he'll be warm for the rest of his life.

If it wasn't for my horse, I wouldn't have spent that year in college...

SIGNYM

Wednesday, July 22, 2009 11:13 PM

According to SNOPES

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In any event the rumormongers were likely to be disappointed.

Information about religion and race, when it was collected for birth records, simply reflected whatever the parents identified themselves to be; those values weren't officially assigned to the newborn children as immutable labels. And of course, no infant has any control over whatever names his parents choose for him.

As things turned out, when the Obama campaign made a copy of his Certification of Live Birth from the State of Hawaii available on the Internet in June 2008, it validated none of those rumors: The certificate shows his full name to be "Barack Hussein Obama II," it lists his father's race as "African" and his mother's as "Caucasian," it contains no information about religion, and it reports his birthplace as being Honolulu, Hawaii.

A number of self-proclaimed experts immediately seized the opportunity to pronounce the certificate a forgery (even though none of them had actually seen the original, just a scanned image of it), picking on such specious details as minor variations from other Hawaii-issued certificates and the lack of an embossed seal and signature. (Some forgery claimants even maintained that the certificate was actually an
altered version of one issued to Barack Obama's half-sister, Maya.)

Aside from the inherent absurdity of such claims i.e., that a major party presidential nominee would risk his entire candidacy on a fraud that could be uncovered simply by a check of state health records), the supposedly incriminating details don't pan out: the certificate is consistent with others issued in the same time and place, and the embossed seal and signature don't show through very well on the scanned front image made available on the Internet because they were applied to the back of the original document, not the front. Those who have actually touched and examined the original certificate have verified and documented that it bears all the elements of a valid certificate of live birth.

Moreover, both of Honolulu's major newspapers: the Advertiser and the Star-Bulletin) published announcements in August 1961 documenting the birth, in Honolulu, of a son to "Mr. and Mrs. Barack H. Obama" on 4 August 1961.

So Obama HAS made his COLB available, people have touched it, examined it, and found it to be valid.

KWICKO

Thursday, July 23, 2009 12:12 AM

It's like was said earlier, Signy- NO MATTER WHAT OBAMA DOES, it won't be enough. If he flew Air Force One over to pick up the naysayers, and then flew them straight to Hawaii and had the vaults unlocked and showed them the actual document and let them go over it and convinced them...

...there'd still be PN and OutOfHisHead saying it was all fake, and that now even their old cohorts were "in cahoots" with Obama and the fakers he works for.

There is NEVER going to be anything that satisfies these fucknuts, because they're far too entrenched in the paranoia and fantasy now. Their entire being and world is invested in Obama being a "non-citizen" of the U.S. (but they aren't clear at all of what country he IS a citizen of, but somewhere maybe between Indonesia, Ghana, and Kenya. Or Britain. Or maybe Samoa.)

If everyone else came out tomorrow and said they'd seen the birth certificate, it was real and legit and everything was cool, do you REALLY think PN and O2B would just shrug and say, "My bad"?

Mike

Build a man a fire and he'll be warm for a day...
Set a man on fire and he'll be warm for the rest of his life.

If it wasn't for my horse, I wouldn't have spent that year in college...

KWICKO

Thursday, July 23, 2009 12:13 AM

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Moreover, both of Honolulu's major newspapers: the Advertiser and the Star-Bulletin) published announcements in August 1961 documenting the birth, in Honolulu, of a son to "Mr. and Mrs. Barack H. Obama" on 4 August 1961.

What, you mean your local paper doesn't print the birth announcements of Kenyans, Ghanans, and Indonesians? Slackers.

You must realize that this conspiracy goes back before Obama's birth. At least, that's what the Birthers seem to think. And they say WE'RE the ones who "annointed" Obama...

Mike

Build a man a fire and he'll be warm for a day...
Set a man on fire and he'll be warm for the rest of his life.

If it wasn't for my horse, I wouldn't have spent that year in college...

SIGNYM

Thursday, July 23, 2009 12:16 AM

Ahhhhh.... you're right. Out2Lunch would just call them Operatives, and PN would post another one of his crazy-talker "source" videos.

Still, it's kinda fun to watch.

KWICKO

Thursday, July 23, 2009 12:37 AM

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Originally posted by SignyM:
Ahhhhh.... you're right. Out2Lunch would just call them Operatives, and PN would post another one of his crazy-talker "source" videos.

Still, it's kinda fun to watch.

True dat...

Still, the thing that nags at me is...

IF you were part of a vast conspiracy that started in 1961 or so, and you were determined to pre-choose your messiah and "annointed one" and set him on his course that would make him President (although he wouldn't be, really, but he'd win the "selection" and people would THINK he was the President)...

IF you were able to do all that, and plan things out that well and that far in advance...

Wouldn't the very first thing you did be to either have a real birth certificate placed in the file, or put a brilliant forgery in the file? I mean, a forgery so perfect that no one could ever possibly even BEGIN to question it?

So somehow, while all these minions were doing all this in order to place Obama at this place in history, they managed to botch the birth certificate? Really? Is that what you'd have us believe?

If you're that gullible, I'd like to sell you the rifle that LBJ used to shoot JFK!

Mike

Build a man a fire and he'll be warm for a day...
Set a man on fire and he'll be warm for the rest of his life.

If it wasn't for my horse, I wouldn't have spent that year in college...

OUT2THEBLACK

Thursday, July 23, 2009 9:53 PM

Based on the almost instant reversal of the
deployment orders to Afghanistan for combat
veteran Army Major Cook - once he filed suit to
see proof that Obama was a US citizen, and
therefore eligible to be President of the United
States, and therefore able to issue Major Cook a
lawful order (as opposed to an unlawful order
coming from a non-citizen and non-President) -
Devvy Kidd made this dynamite suggestion on a
radio show with Jeff Rense a few nights ago
(according to my source):

Devvy suggested that anyone falling under any ANY
obligation emanating from a bill signed into law
by President (?) Obama - should file suit and
demand proof to see in a court of law that Obama
is really a US citizen.

Brilliant!

Pass this along. Perhaps some of the Pro se
litigants can draw up some templates for others
to use to file suit.

Perhaps lawyers in some areas will find they can
brief a little life into their law practices by
filing such suits for concerned citizens.

The Major Cook case indicates that this is an
Achilles Heel of the current New World Order
thrust. This is why everyone and their brother in
the major media either shies away from this issue
- or minimizes it.

This is an issue that everyone can understand,
and that forces people to face that we are under
an occupation government - which is also a
LAWLESS government, and, as Congresswoman
Bachmann of Minnesota stated on the floor of
Congress - a GANGSTER government.

You can see the youtube of Cong. Michele Bachmann calling the Obama administration a Gangster government here :

( 4:41 min, over 1.1 million
views so far)

CUDA77

Thursday, July 23, 2009 10:11 PM

You have now lost the little remaining credibility you had with me by posting what Michelle Bachman thinks.

I still hate the people of my district for voting for her.

KWICKO

Thursday, July 23, 2009 10:31 PM

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Originally posted by Cuda77:
You have now lost the little remaining credibility you had with me by posting what Michelle Bachman thinks.

I still hate the people of my district for voting for her.

Don't worry, Cuda - if Bachman gets her way, she won't have a job after next year anyway! In her crackpot ranting for people to refuse to respond to next year's census, she apparently overlooked the fact that congressional districts are drawn based on census information. If only as few as 2000-3000 people in her district take her advice, Minnesota will lose a seat in the House - and since hers is the newest, it's the first one gone!

Congratulations, Representative Bachman - you've put yourself out of work!

By the way, nobody has to listen to anything O2B and PN have to say. After all, they aren't actual American citizens. Have YOU seen their long-form birth certificates? What is it that they're so afraid of? Why won't they show the certificates? BECAUSE THEY'RE NOT REAL AMERICANS!!!

Mike

Build a man a fire and he'll be warm for a day...
Set a man on fire and he'll be warm for the rest of his life.

If it wasn't for my horse, I wouldn't have spent that year in college...

BIGDAMNNOBODY

Thursday, July 23, 2009 11:06 PM

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Originally posted by Kwicko:
By the way, nobody has to listen to anything O2B and PN have to say. After all, they aren't actual American citizens. Have YOU seen their long-form birth certificates? What is it that they're so afraid of? Why won't they show the certificates? BECAUSE THEY'RE NOT REAL AMERICANS!!!

So only American citizens are worth listening too?

KWICKO

Friday, July 24, 2009 12:30 AM

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Originally posted by BigDamnNobody:
Quote:
Originally posted by Kwicko:
By the way, nobody has to listen to anything O2B and PN have to say. After all, they aren't actual American citizens. Have YOU seen their long-form birth certificates? What is it that they're so afraid of? Why won't they show the certificates? BECAUSE THEY'RE NOT REAL AMERICANS!!!

So only American citizens are worth listening too?

Not all of them.

Too?

CUDA77

Friday, July 24, 2009 2:33 AM

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Originally posted by Kwicko:
Don't worry, Cuda - if Bachman gets her way, she won't have a job after next year anyway! In her crackpot ranting for people to refuse to respond to next year's census, she apparently overlooked the fact that congressional districts are drawn based on census information. If only as few as 2000-3000 people in her district take her advice, Minnesota will lose a seat in the House - and since hers is the newest, it's the first one gone!

Congratulations, Representative Bachman - you've put yourself out of work!

That's news to me. I sincerely hope it comes true in that case. And as someone who actually lives out here, I'd say there's a very high chance that enough people will be just plain stupid enough to forget to respond, regardless if they listen to her or not. We have a special kind of idiot out here. A lot of Joe The Plumber and Farmer Fred types where I live.

OUT2THEBLACK

Friday, July 24, 2009 3:08 PM

" It's worse than you know...It usually is..."

'Dear Senator Franken,

Yesterday you stated in your introductory remarks during the hearings on Judge Sotomayor
that „you may not be a lawyer, but neither are most Americans‟. By contrast, what you are
is a Harvard man, capable of exercising your own judgment to arrive at your own opinion. You
have also been so far a man of your word, who does not toe the line of any party or group.
It is as such a man that I am addressing to you evidence of Judge Sotomayor‟s three acts
of substantial wrongdoing. That evidence is all the more compelling because it has to do with
objective matters based on facts; as such, they rely on neither her judicial philosophy and its
subjective appreciation, nor her gender nor ethnicity. The facts are those of her conduct, through
which she has compromised her integrity and impartiality. In brief, the evidence shows that she:
1) evaded her duty to disclose “in detail all her assets…and liabilities”;
2) withheld the DeLano case, 06-4780-bk, from the Committee and her motive therefor; and
3) showed partiality toward her peers by participating, as a member of the Judicial
Council of the Second Circuit, in the latter‟s 100% denial of petitions for review of
judicial misconduct complaints during the 1oct96-30sep08 12-year period.
The evidence is contained in a letter, a table of her known earnings and the only assets
and liabilities that she disclosed, and a proposed subpoena for the Follow the money!
investigation of her financial affairs and of the similarly non-disclosed assets in DeLano. See,
http://Judicial-Discipline-Reform.org/SCt_nominee/JSotomayor_integrity
/11DrCordero-SenJudCom.pdf;
as augmented by supporting documents referred to in the statements‟ copious notes, see,
http://Judicial-Discipline-Reform.org/SCt_nominee/Senate/7DrCordero-Se
nJudCom_docs.pdf
I trust you recognize the gravity of Judge Sotomayor having represented to the Committee
that she had submitted all the requested cases while in fact she omitted DeLano. Moreover,
that case belies her opening statement yesterday that as a justice „she would follow her simple
judicial philosophy of applying the law‟. DeLano proves the egregious way in which she violated
discovery rights and denied due process of law in order to cover up the concealment of at least
$673,657 in just one of the 3,907 cases of one trustee before her appointee, the bankruptcy judge.
How many other cases involving lots of money and insiders may she have likewise withheld? '

http://judicial-discipline-reform.org/SCt_nominee/Senate/22DrCordero-S
enFranken.pdf

OUT2THEBLACK

Friday, July 24, 2009 3:11 PM

http://www.opednews.com/articles/As-Goldman-exec-Obama-nom-by-Kevin-Co
nnor-090722-106.html

" As Goldman exec, Obama nominee played key role in Sudan-linked IPO..."

OUT2THEBLACK

Friday, July 24, 2009 3:15 PM

http://www.opednews.com/articles/Falling-Empire-by-Patrice-Ayme-090723
-573.html

'...As the Roman republic went down, culture and art went down, and they went down ahead of the military and economic capabilities. Rome became idiotic first, and then was progressively completely incapacitated.

Why did Rome become idiotic? Because the Roman republic had been kidnapped by the hyper rich "Senatorial" class. The hyper rich tolerated only dummies. During the transition to idiocy, those who refused to cooperate were killed. The philosopher and Consul Cicero, saw the hands he was writing with chopped off, and nailed to the Senate door. And that is not an imaginary anecdote a la Reagan. It was meant to impress those too willing to write down smart thoughts.

Finally the plutocracy mixed up with the theocrats, and any knowledge or thinking was viewed as an insult to God. This episode is called the Dark Ages. But it started with the rise of the stupid, paid to reign by the hyper rich.'

SIGNYM

Friday, July 24, 2009 3:29 PM

O2B- 'zactly.

OUT2THEBLACK

Friday, July 24, 2009 4:00 PM

Oh , good...

Maybe you'll also enjoy the Bernanke 'grill' video , then :

http://www.lewrockwell.com/blog/lewrw/archives/30527.html

PIRATENEWS

Friday, July 24, 2009 4:43 PM

Lou Dobbs Radio says Obama is NOT born in USA, based on the current litigation in fed courts and the Pentagon refusing to send soldiers to war when they sue to see Obama's birth certificate:

I didn't even know Dobbs had a radio show.

HR1507: Obama Birth Certificate Protection Act
http://naturalbornconservative.blogspot.com/2009/05/obama-birth-certif
icate-protection-act.html

Obama Signs Executive Order 13489 Barring Release Of His Birth Certificate On His First Day In The White House
www.freedomedium.com/2009/07/obama-signs-executive-order-barring-relea
se-of-his-birth-certificate/

List of 16 lawsuits demanding to see Obama's birth certificate
http://knowthelies.com/?q=node/3729

US Supreme Court bans discovery in lawsuits demanding to see Obama's birth certificate
http://fireflyfans.net/mthread.asp?b=18&t=39238

Presidential Birther Bill Won't Apply to Obama: Congress demands future presidential candidates to prove U.S. citizenship
www.scrippsnews.com/node/44286

Where American Babies Come From Act: Smartass Demands to See Proof of Obama Conception
www.huffingtonpost.com/will-menaker/lou-dobbs-demands-to-see_b_243733.
html

KWICKO

Friday, July 24, 2009 5:02 PM

Quote:
I didn't even know Dobbs had a radio show.

You and 319,999,999 other Americans...

Put it this way: Lou Dobbs' radio audience is only marginally larger than my own - and I don't HAVE a radio show!

KWICKO

Friday, July 24, 2009 5:05 PM

Quote:
The philosopher and Consul Cicero, saw the hands he was writing with chopped off, and nailed to the Senate door. And that is not an imaginary anecdote a la Reagan. It was meant to impress those too willing to write down smart thoughts.

So, since you're still typing, I guess we can surmise that YOUR hands haven't been chopped off, ergo the idiocracy isn't scared of YOUR words or thoughts. Guess you must be one of the ones they're catering to, eh? One of the idiots?

KWICKO

Friday, July 24, 2009 5:12 PM

Quote:

Obama Signs Executive Order 13489 Barring Release Of His Birth Certificate On His First Day In The White House
www.freedomedium.com/2009/07/obama-signs-executive-order-barring-relea
se-of-his-birth-certificate/

From your link posted above, here's the opening of the article:

Quote:
Obama Signs Executive Order Barring Release Of His Birth Certificate

UPDATE: At the time this post was published it appears as though we may have been misinterpreting the section of US Code covered by this Executive Order.

So, once again PN, you literally could not be proven more wrong.

Mike

Build a man a fire and he'll be warm for a day...
Set a man on fire and he'll be warm for the rest of his life.

If it wasn't for my horse, I wouldn't have spent that year in college...

OUT2THEBLACK

Friday, July 24, 2009 8:30 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by Kwicko:
So, since you're still typing, I guess we can surmise that YOUR hands haven't been chopped off, ergo the idiocracy isn't scared of YOUR words or thoughts. Guess you must be one of the ones they're catering to, eh? One of the idiots?

No , they mean to leave me where I am for now...
The purges of the dissenting intellectuals won't occur until the provocateurs like yourself have outed all of us...

On the other hand , they don't worry so much about the idiot masses , since they're compliant and willing to be herded along...

Meanwhile , the world is being taken over by brain-eating zombies...

That means that you , and the sickynym-ruetard axis are all SAFE !

SIGNYM

Saturday, July 25, 2009 12:59 AM

Quote:
you , and the sickynym-ruetard axis

Awww... yanno ... I'm just gonna start calling you Out2Lunch. You just can't NOT do that, can ya?

What a 'tard.

Or worse. 'Tards can't help it. You choose to be that way.

RUE

Saturday, July 25, 2009 3:16 AM

"... in the 1898 Wong Kim Ark case, the Supreme Court said a child born in the U.S. is a natural-born citizen regardless of their parents' citizenship

... what Obama has made public thus far is the same form that anyone requesting their birth certificate from Hawaii would receive, and state officials have made very clear that it's authentic and shows he was born there.

Taitz and others say, wrongly, that there's a Hawaiian statute that applied to Obama that would have allowed his parents to register a foreign birth there, and somehow get state officials to say he was born in Honolulu. But as Janice Okubo, the director of communications for the Hawaii Department of Health, recently explained to the Washington Independent's David Weigel, "If you were born in Bali, for example, you could get a certificate from the state of Hawaii saying you were born in Bali. You could not get a certificate saying you were born in Honolulu. The state has to verify a fact like that for it to appear on the certificate. But it’s become very clear that it doesn’t matter what I say. The people who are questioning this bring up all these implausible scenarios.""

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Silence is consent.

KWICKO

Saturday, July 25, 2009 4:56 AM

Quote:

"... in the 1898 Wong Kim Ark case, the Supreme Court said a child born in the U.S. is a natural-born citizen regardless of their parents' citizenship

TRAITOR!!! I'm afraid I'm going to have to ask to see your birth certificate, young miss.

Here's the thing that PN and Out2Lunch don't get, which I tried to point out earlier:

What they're demanding of Obama, they'd be up in arms about if it were demanded of them. They seem to be cheerleading the kinds of "Big-Brotherism" they so routinely proclaim is destroying us and clearing the way for the mythical "New World Order" they fear so much - and here they are laying the groundwork and foundations for just such overreaching legislation to be put in place!

I find it all fairly humorous, to be honest about it. Their hypocrisy is the most hilarious part, really.

Mike

Build a man a fire and he'll be warm for a day...
Set a man on fire and he'll be warm for the rest of his life.

If it wasn't for my horse, I wouldn't have spent that year in college...

ANTHONYT

Saturday, July 25, 2009 3:33 PM

Hello,

This is where I must confess that I am not always the law abiding citizen that we are all told we should be.

Sometimes, I have a willingness to break the law. Not often, but it comes up.

And so I must confess with a heavy heart this truth...

I don't particularly care where my politicians were born. None of my support for, nor objection to, any presidential candidate has been based on their place of birth. There are actual real reasons to like or not like the leadership in this country that have nothing to do with birthplace.

It is these merits of actual conduct and design that demand the installation or removal of leaders. I consider the issue of birth to be a mere technicality, and in a proper governmental system, it wouldn't bloody matter where you were from. It would matter what you did.

--Anthony

"Liberty must not be purchased at the cost of Humanity." --Captain Robert Henner

OUT2THEBLACK

Saturday, July 25, 2009 4:02 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by AnthonyT:
Hello,

...I don't particularly care where my politicians were born. None of my support for, nor objection to, any presidential candidate has been based on their place of birth. There are actual real reasons to like or not like the leadership in this country that have nothing to do with birthplace.

It is these merits of actual conduct and design that demand the installation or removal of leaders. I consider the issue of birth to be a mere technicality, and in a proper governmental system, it wouldn't bloody matter where you were from. It would matter what you did.

--Anthony

Or , as MLK would say , ' the content of one's character'.

Have to concur with all that you said , except the part where 'I don't particularly care'.

Ordinarily , and in every other circumstance , there'd be nothing at all wrong with that sentiment...

But , this is a Constitutional requirement...
Admittedly , most folk have little or no familiarity with the Constitution . Even some of those who do have knowledge of it choose to ignore aspects of it that they don't agree with , as an example , a rogue cop who decides to administer his own corporeal 'justice' against the person that he feels is not moving quickly enough for his liking...Despite having sworn an oath to uphold , support , and defend the Constitution...

That's where folk become suspicious of a President who must meet Constitutional requirements and obligations , who promises 'transparency' , but can do no better than set up a website that characterizes the questioning of his credentials as an effort to 'fight the smears', and is willing to produce , at least initially , a *redacted* copy of a form that was issued , not in the 1960's , but decades later...

Meanwhile , in the public's effort to attain that touted transparency , it becomes common knowledge that Obama's application to the Illinois state bar says that he has never been known by any other name , which is , even by his own disclosure , demonstrably not true...

Just a couple days ago , I saw a newspaper editorial that said that the solution to this crisis is simple , " amend the Constitution ".

Shows no Constitutional knowledge at all , being that that would be an 'ex post facto' law...Which wouldn't apply to the Obama case , anyway...

The 'ex post facto' clause is a safeguard against people being ensnared , after the fact , by new legislation...

Necessarily , Constitutional amendments are not easy , and for good reason...

In the case of any doubt , it's much more productive , simpler , and safer , to *amend* the politicians...

ANTHONYT

Saturday, July 25, 2009 4:26 PM

Hello,

There is an upcoming opportunity for everyone to amend this particular politician, and I encourage them to do so if any aspect of his performance, conduct, or nature compells them to do so.

For my own part, I still don't care about his place of birth. There is a law in my hometown that says you can not have a car for sale in the swale area in front of your house.

For those who are not familiar with swale areas, I shall elucidate. There is a house. In front of the house is a front yard which is part of the same property. In front of the front yard is the sidewalk. Beyond the sidewalk is another piece of land which is officially designated public space, but which is maintained by the homeowner. This space is called the 'swale' in my hometown. Beyond this swale is the street.

Now, you can park your car in the swale if you prefer, and many do. But if you stick a 'For Sale' sign in the window, you are breaking the law. There are officers who go around citing people who do this, and they are justified in doing so because the law says they can. However, this law serves absolutely no useful public good. (At least to my eyes.) Even if I were a police officer, I do not anticipate that I would spend one iota of my time citing homeowners who put their own cars for sale in the swale area in front of their own houses.

By the same token, a Constitutional article to say, outlaw alcohol, or to prevent smoking in the privacy of your home, or to designate a black man as a mere percentage of a person... These are Constitutional articles I would similarly ignore. The reason for this is that they, too, serve no public good (At least to my eyes.) This is where I confess that I am not always a law abiding citizen. If I think I can get away with ignoring a law that I can't rationalize as being useful, I ignore it. In this aspect, I am something of a hypocrite. I would loudly proclaim my Constitutional right to bear arms or speak freely, for instance. Meanwhile I would look the other way as my neighbors enjoyed a bourbon during Constitutional prohibition.

Now, IF I cared about Obama's birth certificate, I'd have to note that he has produced a Hawaiian short form Birth document, and that a government official in Hawaii has certified that a long form document is retained on record. I don't know why portions of the short form document have been redacted. Perhaps it is a privacy issue. Obama might have been born a woman, and had a sex change. If I cared about where he was born, it would be enough that the government agencies and authorities pledged to confirm this have done so.

As noted above by other commentators, it is always hilarious to see people who argue:

A) that they do not have to provide government issued identification to an officer investigating a break-in

and

B) that a birth document and official confirmation of its authenticity is not enough to identify someone.

Clearly, I am not the only hypocrite in audience today.

--Anthony

"Liberty must not be purchased at the cost of Humanity." --Captain Robert Henner

KWICKO

Saturday, July 25, 2009 6:31 PM

Quote:

Now, IF I cared about Obama's birth certificate, I'd have to note that he has produced a Hawaiian short form Birth document, and that a government official in Hawaii has certified that a long form document is retained on record. I don't know why portions of the short form document have been redacted. Perhaps it is a privacy issue. Obama might have been born a woman, and had a sex change. If I cared about where he was born, it would be enough that the government agencies and authorities pledged to confirm this have done so.

It seems that the entire argument for people like PN and O2B hinges on the PERSONAL issue of it - they simply refuse to accept Obama's birth certificate as "real" because no one has come to them personally and shown it TO THEM. Similarly, moon-landing doubters can go their entire lives sticking to their claims that it's impossible to prove that man landed on the Moon, because THEY THEMSELVES weren't the ones who set foot on the Moon, and if they didn't do it, then no one else possibly could have.

Look at any conspiracy theory, and you see the same thread running through it - it's the purely subjective, personal non-acceptance of whatever is being discussed. "*I* haven't seen what's hidden away at Area 51, so that proves that it MUST be aliens from another galaxy!" "*I* couldn't have shot President Kennedy from a 2nd-floor window, so it's impossible that anyone else could have done so." "*I* wasn't present at the Nazi concentration camps, so the Holocaust never happened."

This is all just one step away from what I call subjective immortality - the notion that the universe started and ends with me. After all, *I* don't remember the Revolutionary War, so I guess it never happened, eh? All I really know of the world first-hand is what has happened to me since I was born, so the rest could all just be pure fabrication, a giant conspiracy that everyone else in the world is in on, in an attempt to try to pull the wool over my eyes.

But that's the way these guys operate. And that's why you'll never - NEVER - convince them of the facts, or get them to admit that they were wrong. Every piece of evidence you produce for them - "Just let us see the birth certificate, and this will all be over!" - will be denounced as a "forgery" or fabrication; every person or group who authenticates such documents and evidence will henceforth be viewed as being in on the scam and having been compromised by The Man.

Mike

Build a man a fire and he'll be warm for a day...
Set a man on fire and he'll be warm for the rest of his life.

If it wasn't for my horse, I wouldn't have spent that year in college...

PIRATENEWS

Sunday, July 26, 2009 2:53 PM

CNN wants Lou Dobbs fired under orders from Kosher pedophiles at SPLC, those nice jews who ran the Neo-Nazi terror camp for the OKC bombing:

Quote:
Lou Dobbs: "Obama, the Undocumented President"

In part, Klein writes, "It seems this story is dead- because anyone who still is not convinced doesn't really have a legitimate beef." Klein asked CNN researchers to dig into the question of why Obama couldn't produce the original birth certificate. The researchers contacted the Hawaii Health Dept and confirmed that paper documents were discarded in 2001 when the department went paperless. That reportedly includes President Obama's original birth certificate.

www.huffingtonpost.com/2009/07/24/major-civil-rights-group_n_244532.ht
ml

Amazing what professional reporters can dig up in 1 day's work.

Jew "Morris Dees" is a convicted pedophile:
www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=splc+morris+dees+pedophile&aq=f&oq=&aqi=

SIGNYM

Sunday, July 26, 2009 4:30 PM

Does that mean that EVERYBODY born in Hawaii is undocumented? Now we suddenly have +1.3 million "undocumented" aliens?

OUT2THEBLACK

Monday, July 27, 2009 2:13 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by Bytemite:
Wait a minute, you're saying you like having a republic for a government, and think that Democracy is the reason California is failing? Even though a republic necessarily limits your voice and free speech?

The reason to have a 'republic' is to prevent the tyranny of public opinion from outstripping reasoned dialogue...

Sort of like , here in RWED , the tyranny of sickynym-ruetard-squicko attempting to shout down the small voices of dissent , and seeking to have folk with which thay disagree 'banned' , allowed no voice at all...

Their kind are those who want to refute the so-called 'birthers' by screaming 'birth certificate !' , which is actually the same tactic they employed at the outset , with little in the way of facts being brought to the fore by their side subsequently...

Their faith in the obamessiah is not easily undone...Apparently , they believe all should heil the all-mitey-obamessiah...

That kind of environment also explains the pResident wanting to be able to throw a switch and suppress free speech :

http://www.motherjones.com/politics/2009/04/should-obama-control-inter
net

'...The bill does not only add to the power of the president. It also grants the Secretary of Commerce "access to all relevant data concerning [critical] networks without regard to any provision of law, regulation, rule, or policy restricting such access." This means he or she can monitor or access any data on private or public networks without regard to privacy laws...

Meanwhile , the pResident's 'fight the smears' website has largely gone down the 'memory hole' :

Obama’s “Fight the Smears” Disappears & Keyes v. Obama Eligibility Case to be Heard on Merits

http://ironicsurrealism.blogivists.com/2009/07/13/obamas-fight-the-sme
ars-disappears-obama-eligibility-case-will-be-heard-on-merits/

BYTEMITE

Monday, July 27, 2009 2:36 PM

Kwicko doesn't like Obama, out2theblack. He's just stirring the mud puddle, like he usually does.

I don't know about SignyM and Rue, but I think their argument isn't based on that they think Obama is infallible, but rather that they think the birth certificate thing has been proven enough. Although you all say there's bad blood between you, so I'm just going to try to stay out.

Anyway. There are shortcomings to democracy, I'll admit, because the rule of the majority is not necessarily a good thing. But to say that a Republic amends that? I'll have to disagree. I think a Republic puts the power into the hands of a select few that only say they're representing the greatest good, when really they're serving their own ends and twisted ideas of how to make the world better.

Basically, I have more faith in my fellow man than do a lot of people, least of which our country's founding fathers. I have faith that The People are willing to negotiate to workable solutions, when our representatives surely aren't.

SIGNYM

Monday, July 27, 2009 3:11 PM

O2B: You wouldn't know reasoned debate if it gave you a blow job. The biggest weapon in your "reasoned debate" armamentarium seems to be name-calling, and the second seems to be putting words in people's mouths. If you think "shouting down the small voices of dissent" means bringing up facts (Obama has a birth certificate from the state of Hawaii, there was a birth announcement on the newspaper at the time) and logic (This would place the beginning of your "conspiracy" all the way back to Obama's BIRTH. Like they knew he was going to be President some day...?) then those "small voices of dissent" must be awfully fragile, easily blown away by the winds of logic.

So, Small Voice of Dissent: WHO did I try to get banned? Name names. Point to the post. Back up your statement with a fact.

Because, for the record, I have NEVER tried to get anybody "banned".

Where have I expressed unwavering support of Obama? Am I not decrying the corporate/ bank bailout on an almost weekly basis? Have I not criticized him for supporting the telecoms immunity from prosecution, keeping Abu Ghraib photos secret, furthering the use of signing statements, claiming "state secrets" privilege, and proposing indefinite preventive detention?

Because, for the record I am NOT an Obama fan.

You hardly respond on-point to a dissenting opinion. If anyone is trying to shout down anyone, it's you, my friend, with your dishonest, self-pitying posts.

SIGNYM

Monday, July 27, 2009 3:56 PM

O2B... what, no refutation?

Well, I know that won't prevent you from coming up with the same old crap very soon. I just wanted to make a point about your dishonesty. And you made it for me.

Thanks!

KWICKO

Monday, July 27, 2009 6:03 PM

Quote:
Out2Lunch wrote:

Sort of like , here in RWED , the tyranny of sickynym-ruetard-squicko attempting to shout down the small voices of dissent , and seeking to have folk with which thay disagree 'banned' , allowed no voice at all...

Cites, please? Show me where I sought to have ANYONE banned, or admit you're lying.

Quote:

Their kind are those who want to refute the so-called 'birthers' by screaming 'birth certificate !' , which is actually the same tactic they employed at the outset , with little in the way of facts being brought to the fore by their side subsequently...

Let me put frame this in an argument YOU can understand, because this is EXACTLY what you've been doing for six months or more:

Your kind are those who want to refute the President by screaming "birth certificate!", which is actually the same tactic you've employed from the outset, with nothing at all in the way of facts being brought to the fore by your side.

Quote:

Their faith in the obamessiah is not easily undone...Apparently , they believe all should heil the all-mitey-obamessiah...

MY "faith" in Obama (I have no idea who "the obamessiah" is supposed to be; I know only that there is a President of the United States named Barack Obama) is EXACTLY as strong as your grovelling worshipfulness of George W. Bush. Think about that for a while.

Mike

Build a man a fire and he'll be warm for a day...
Set a man on fire and he'll be warm for the rest of his life.

If it wasn't for my horse, I wouldn't have spent that year in college...

KWICKO

Monday, July 27, 2009 6:14 PM

Quote:
Kwicko doesn't like Obama, out2theblack. He's just stirring the mud puddle, like he usually does.

You're close to correct, Bytemite. I voted for Obama, volunteered for him, donated money to his campaign, and did so gladly, hoping he would live up to his campaign promises.

While I don't hate the man, I AM deeply disappointed with him on several key issues, because he ran on the left, and the day he took office, he steered sharply to the middle, where he's stayed ever since. I wanted a progressive, and I got "Bush Lite". Whether I vote for the man again in 2012 is entirely up to him, but it's not likely at all that I'll work for him or give money again.

He was never my "messiah" because, simply put (and this is the part that Out2Lunch simply can't pound through his fucking skull with a 12-pound sledgehammer), I'm an atheist, and a devout one. I *HAVE* no "messiah" because I don't believe in such things. I voted for a man, because I thought he was the better man of the choices I was given. And had Hillary won the nomination, I'd have voted for her. Had Ron Paul won the Republican nomination, there's every chance I'd have voted for HIM. None of those people are gods by any stretch of the imagination. I "worship" Obama in EXACTLY the same way that Out2Lunch "worships" George W. Bush, as I said before.

Mike

Build a man a fire and he'll be warm for a day...
Set a man on fire and he'll be warm for the rest of his life.

If it wasn't for my horse, I wouldn't have spent that year in college...

OUT2THEBLACK

Monday, July 27, 2009 6:18 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by SignyM:
O2B... what, no refutation?

Thanks!

You are welcome , StickyNymph !

You amaze me , you really do...

Like , how do you type with your mouth so full ,
Ms. Reasoned Debate ?

OUT2THEBLACK

Monday, July 27, 2009 6:24 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by Kwicko:
Sort of like , here in RWED , the tyranny of sickynym-ruetard-squicko attempting to shout down the small voices of dissent , and seeking to have folk with which thay disagree 'banned' , allowed no voice at all...

MY "faith" in Obama (I have no idea who "the obamessiah" is supposed to be; I know only that there is a President of the United States named Barack Obama) is EXACTLY as strong as your grovelling worshipfulness of George W. Bush. Think about that for a while.

Grovelling worshipfulness of Dubya ?

You must be mad...

Surely you are confusing me with someone else...

Or , you are just confused...Might try not using that 12-pound sledge hammer on your head any more...It's not helping you...

KWICKO

Monday, July 27, 2009 6:32 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by out2theblack:
Grovelling worshipfulness of Dubya ?

You must be mad...

Surely you are confusing me with someone else...

Or , you are just confused...Might try not using that 12-pound sledge hammer on your head any more...It's not helping you...

Wow, are YOU an idiot. I was illustrating that I worship Obama exactly as much as you worship Dubya. You claim you don't, which is rather the point. Neither do I.

I'm really sorry you're too fucking stupid to figure that out. Really.

Guess maybe you shouldn't read with your mouth full, eh?

OUT2THEBLACK

Monday, July 27, 2009 6:36 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by Bytemite:
Kwicko doesn't like Obama, out2theblack. He's just stirring the mud puddle, like he usually does.

I don't know about SignyM and Rue, but I think their argument isn't based on that they think Obama is infallible, but rather that they think the birth certificate thing has been proven enough.

Basically, I have more faith in my fellow man than do a lot of people, least of which our country's founding fathers. I have faith that The People are willing to negotiate to workable solutions, when our representatives surely aren't.

Well , he liked him enough to campaign for him , give him money , and VOTE for him...

Then , he turns around and claims he doesn't have any 'faith' in him...

That's comical...Actually , it's hysterical !

You say Squicko is just stirring the mud puddle...Like he usually does !

I think you've got quite a point , there...

Sometimes , the more something is stirred , the more it stinks...

If Squick doesn't like that , he might want to rethink his Alliance-s and take a different approach...

Back to topic :

pResident wanting to be able to throw a switch and suppress free speech :

http://www.motherjones.com/politics/2009/04/should-obama-control-inter
net

'...The bill does not only add to the power of the president. It also grants the Secretary of Commerce "access to all relevant data concerning [critical] networks without regard to any provision of law, regulation, rule, or policy restricting such access." This means he or she can monitor or access any data on private or public networks without regard to privacy laws...

Meanwhile , the pResident's 'fight the smears' website has largely gone down the 'memory hole' :

Obama’s “Fight the Smears” Disappears & Keyes v. Obama Eligibility Case to be Heard on Merits

http://ironicsurrealism.blogivists.com/2009/07/13/obamas-fight-the-sme
ars-disappears-obama-eligibility-case-will-be-heard-on-merits/

OUT2THEBLACK

Monday, July 27, 2009 6:48 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by Kwicko:

Guess maybe you shouldn't read with your mouth full, eh?

Yes , because you're so danged funny , I keep spewing lunch all over the monitor !

RUE

Monday, July 27, 2009 7:28 PM

It's sad really - to see such an idiot showing all the world what an ass he is, for everyone to see.

Some people (OTB, this means you) have no sense of shame.

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But, to get to the topic at hand - really, WHY are you still here ? WHY are you letting a few dollars and a little bit of your time stand in the way of getting that real PROOF that Obama was born wherever you think he was born ?

You really should be pursuing the truth with everything you've got ! Not in some half-assed whiny I-can't-find-the-YouTube-link-on-the-internet sort of way.

THIS is your life's work, man ! Go for it !

OUT2THEBLACK

Monday, July 27, 2009 7:38 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by SignyM:
O2B: You wouldn't know reasoned debate if it gave you a blow job. The biggest weapon in your "reasoned debate" armamentarium seems to be name-calling, and the second seems to be putting words in people's mouths...

...You hardly respond on-point to a dissenting opinion. If anyone is trying to shout down anyone, it's you, my friend, with your dishonest, self-pitying posts.

Those ain't exactly my *words* going in your mouth...

I ain't feeling any self-pity at all , these days...

Your desperation is showing , and I REALLY like that...

OUT2THEBLACK

Monday, July 27, 2009 8:19 PM

'...The several states are lining up to reclaim their sovereignty and telling the federal government to butt out. This is being done in myriad ways but all are related in that most claim that the Tenth Amendment protects the states from federal tyranny. States are passing resolutions, memorials and two states have passed laws and they intend to apply those laws for their citizens. The two states are Montana and Tennessee.'
http://restoretherepublic.com/category/latest-news

'...The United States has gradually degenerated from a Republic based on individual liberties to a socialized oligarchy run by an exclusive few. The country was founded upon the platform of individual rights.-

We declared our independence from Great Britain because of excessive regulation and taxation. Americans fought for the right to live their lives free from the subjugation of an overbearing governmental body. The Founding Fathers declared our independence with these immortal words:

-We hold these truths to be self evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness. That to secure these rights, Governments are instituted among Men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed, That whenever any Form of Government becomes destructive of these ends, it is the Right of the People to alter or to abolish it, and to institute new Government, laying its foundation on such principles and organizing its powers in such form, as to them shall seem most likely to effect their Safety and Happiness.

Since the administration of Franklin Delano Roosevelt, the United States has gone from taking personal responsibility for our own lives to dependence on government to make all decisions in our lives. There are 306 million Americans and we have defaulted on our responsibility for governing this nation to 535 corrupt politicians, 10 "too big to fail" banks, a secretive Central Bank, 17,000 corporate lobbyists, and thousands of government bureaucrats. Essentially 306 million citizens are managed by a few thousand elitist rulers. George Orwell's classic novel Animal Farm was inspired by the a scene he witnessed:

"I saw a little boy, perhaps ten years old, driving a huge carthorse along a narrow path, whipping it whenever it tried to turn. It struck me that if only such animals became aware of their strength we should have no power over them, and that men exploit animals in much the same way as the rich exploit the proletariat." '

http://www.opednews.com/articles/ANIMAL-FARM--2009-by-Jim-Quinn-090725
-660.html

http://ironicsurrealism.blogivists.com/2009/07/13/obamas-fight-the-sme
ars-disappears-obama-eligibility-case-will-be-heard-on-merits

http://rs6.net/tn.jsp?et=1102654038655&s=15229&e=001tC8q-mmcjFK8oMoiYc
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KWICKO

Monday, July 27, 2009 8:57 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by out2theblack:
Quote:
Originally posted by Kwicko:

Guess maybe you shouldn't read with your mouth full, eh?

Yes , because you're so danged funny , I keep spewing lunch all over the monitor !

Try reading with your mouth closed. It'll help, I swear.

Breathe through your nose. I know you can do it!

KWICKO

Monday, July 27, 2009 8:58 PM

Quote:

Back to topic :

pResident wanting to be able to throw a switch and suppress free speech :

http://www.motherjones.com/politics/2009/04/should-obama-control-inter
net

'...The bill does not only add to the power of the president. It also grants the Secretary of Commerce "access to all relevant data concerning [critical] networks without regard to any provision of law, regulation, rule, or policy restricting such access." This means he or she can monitor or access any data on private or public networks without regard to privacy laws...

Back to topic? How do you figure this tripe has anything to do with "the topic"?

KWICKO

Monday, July 27, 2009 9:02 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by out2theblack:
Your desperation is showing , and I REALLY like that...

Gotta say, Out2Lunch, the one who's looking truly desperate here is you.

And it sounds kind of creepy and gross, you saying that you REALLY like your women to be showing their desperation!

BYTEMITE

Monday, July 27, 2009 9:20 PM

I love Orwell's books. 1984 is pretty much one of three dystopic books that built the foundations of how I view government.

I agree with everything you just said, and I ask, if you think our Republic has turned into an oligarchy, what do you think would stop a republic, newly rebuilt upon the ruins of this old one, from traveling down the same path?

This is what my problem is with a republic. I believe that the upwards concentration of power is inevitable, until finally you declare yourself an empire, and corruption lurks within every facet of your system.

>_> I don't like Republics. I think they are dishonest, and manipulative, and inevitably lead to corruption and downfall.

OUT2THEBLACK

Monday, July 27, 2009 10:20 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by Kwicko:
...And it sounds kind of creepy and gross, you saying that you REALLY like your women to be showing their desperation!

StickyNymph isn't one of MY women...I'm actually not in that b'ness...

Folk do notice , though , that she sticks with you and the ruetard...

OUT2THEBLACK

Monday, July 27, 2009 10:25 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by Kwicko:
Quote:

Back to topic :

pResident wanting to be able to throw a switch and suppress free speech :

http://www.motherjones.com/politics/2009/04/should-obama-control-inter
net

'...The bill does not only add to the power of the president. It also grants the Secretary of Commerce "access to all relevant data concerning [critical] networks without regard to any provision of law, regulation, rule, or policy restricting such access." This means he or she can monitor or access any data on private or public networks without regard to privacy laws...

Back to topic? How do you figure this tripe has anything to do with "the topic"?

Good on you for calling a Lefty site 'tripe' , but plainly there's more than a little that you don't *get*...

Maybe you should bother reading the article , rather than going off 'half-cocked'. Again .

You and your man , ScamBO , plainly don't care for 'the rules'...

That's why you don't get or entertain grandiose notions , like 'Free Speech'...

OUT2THEBLACK

Monday, July 27, 2009 10:35 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by Bytemite:
I love Orwell's books. 1984 is pretty much one of three dystopic books that built the foundations of how I view government.

I agree with everything you just said, and I ask, if you think our Republic has turned into an oligarchy, what do you think would stop a republic, newly rebuilt upon the ruins of this old one, from traveling down the same path?

The 'end of the world' , as we know it...

Quote:
This is what my problem is with a republic. I believe that the upwards concentration of power is inevitable, until finally you declare yourself an empire, and corruption lurks within every facet of your system.

Well , if not inevitable , then certainly likely...Ending 'corporate personhood', and lobbying by any entitities other than individuals , would be helpful...Ending 'usury' , except by community-owned banks , would kick the bricks from under the 'big boys'...Instituting a 50-year maximum life-cycle for all business endeavors and contracts would do a huge amount of good...Economies , and governments , are really all 'local' , so the instituting of Lawful Money with intrinsic value would help to end credit monopolies , AND the overarching Empires of Big Government and Big Business...

Quote:
>_> I don't like Republics. I think they are dishonest, and manipulative, and inevitably lead to corruption and downfall.

That leaves us exactly where we are...

KWICKO

Monday, July 27, 2009 10:45 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by out2theblack:
Quote:
Originally posted by Kwicko:
...And it sounds kind of creepy and gross, you saying that you REALLY like your women to be showing their desperation!

StickyNymph isn't one of MY women...I'm actually not in that b'ness...

Yeah, I didn't think she was that desperate. Sounds like you definitely ARE, though.

Quote:
Folk do notice , though , that she sticks with you and the ruetard...

Just as they notice that you stick with PirateNews...

PIRATENEWS

Monday, July 27, 2009 11:06 PM

Our local TN Army National Guard MP unit shipped out to Iraq this weekend, for the umpteenth time.

TV news failed to ask them about why didnt they just sue Obama to show his birth certificate, when the Pentagon cancels warzone orders. Even our own TN legislators sued Obama for his birth certificate.

Obama's 'birth certificate' not acceptable in Hawaii? Even state requires long-form document for some eligibility, identification issues...
www.wnd.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.view&pageId=100451

Obama: Where have all his records gone? Footprints of president's own history either vanish or remain covered up, Hawaii destroyed his "original" birth certificate in 2001, family refuses to release their copy...
www.wnd.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.view&pageId=100613

KWICKO

Monday, July 27, 2009 11:08 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by out2theblack:

You and your man , ScamBO , plainly don't care for 'the rules'...

Wait - are you going to explain "the rules" to me again? I especially love the part where you try to explain to me what the "natural-born citizen" clause of the Constitution says, because that NEVER gets old, listening to you try to make claims that are plainly NOT in the Constitution.

Quote:

That's why you don't get or entertain grandiose notions , like 'Free Speech'...

So I'll ask again, since I see you're dodging the question I asked earlier:

Where and when did I try to restrict anyone's free speech? Where and when did I try to get anyone banned, as you claimed earlier? Show me the posts, show me the threads, or admit that you're lying (which you most definitely are) and making shit up out of pure desperation.

Show me where I tried to have anyone banned. Put up or shut up!

Seems you have a problem with free speech, at least when it comes to someone using it to shoot down your ridiculous claims, outright lies and utter bullshit.

Mike

Build a man a fire and he'll be warm for a day...
Set a man on fire and he'll be warm for the rest of his life.

If it wasn't for my horse, I wouldn't have spent that year in college...

KWICKO

Monday, July 27, 2009 11:10 PM

Quote:
Ending 'usury' , except by community-owned banks...

Why do community-owned banks get a pass on usury?

PIRATENEWS

Tuesday, July 28, 2009 7:10 AM

Ex DC cop and Bohemian Grover Chris Matthews goes insane:

Quote:
VIDEO: "Manchurian Candidate Obama"
www.msnbc.msn.com/id/3036697/#32177752

He includes the following for targeting and profiling:

People who believe that the Bilderberg Group impacts international policies

People who question the Federal Reserve's intentions

People who question the income tax

People who care about US borders

People who wonder why the government consistently attempts to circumvent the 2nd Amendment

People who believe that what happened on 9/11 is different than what the government has told us

People who voted for Ron Paul

People who question anything the government has told us over the past 100 years.

Continuous blinking is proof of lying.

CUDA77

Tuesday, July 28, 2009 7:22 AM

Quote:
Originally posted by Kwicko:
Quote:
Originally posted by out2theblack:

You and your man , ScamBO , plainly don't care for 'the rules'...

Wait - are you going to explain "the rules" to me again? I especially love the part where you try to explain to me what the "natural-born citizen" clause of the Constitution says, because that NEVER gets old, listening to you try to make claims that are plainly NOT in the Constitution.

Quote:

That's why you don't get or entertain grandiose notions , like 'Free Speech'...

So I'll ask again, since I see you're dodging the question I asked earlier:

Where and when did I try to restrict anyone's free speech? Where and when did I try to get anyone banned, as you claimed earlier? Show me the posts, show me the threads, or admit that you're lying (which you most definitely are) and making shit up out of pure desperation.

Show me where I tried to have anyone banned. Put up or shut up!

Seems you have a problem with free speech, at least when it comes to someone using it to shoot down your ridiculous claims, outright lies and utter bullshit.

Mike

Build a man a fire and he'll be warm for a day...
Set a man on fire and he'll be warm for the rest of his life.

If it wasn't for my horse, I wouldn't have spent that year in college...

Clearly you don't get it. He's obviously expecting YOU to go and prove your innocence. The burden of proof is on YOU to prove that you have not tried to get him or anyone else banned. That's the way it works. O2TB makes some outrageous claim based on little to no credible evidence then refuses to see evidence to the contrary (see: truth) and merely continues to spout the original claim.

And see, I can prove this too. All my evidence is right here in this thread.

SIGNYM

Tuesday, July 28, 2009 1:25 PM

O2B

So I said

Quote:
O2B: You wouldn't know reasoned debate if it gave you a blow job. The biggest weapon in your "reasoned debate" armamentarium seems to be name-calling, and the second seems to be putting words in people's mouths. If you think "shouting down the small voices of dissent" means bringing up facts (Obama has a birth certificate from the state of Hawaii, there was a birth announcement on the newspaper at the time) and logic (This would place the beginning of your "conspiracy" all the way back to Obama's BIRTH. Like they knew he was going to be President some day...?) then those "small voices of dissent" must be awfully fragile, easily blown away by the winds of logic.

So, Small Voice of Dissent: WHO did I try to get banned? Name names. Point to the post. Back up your statement with a fact.

Because, for the record, I have NEVER tried to get anybody "banned".

Where have I expressed unwavering support of Obama? Am I not decrying the corporate/ bank bailout on an almost weekly basis? Have I not criticized him for supporting the telecoms immunity from prosecution, keeping Abu Ghraib photos secret, furthering the use of signing statements, claiming "state secrets" privilege, and proposing indefinite preventive detention?

Because, for the record I am NOT an Obama fan.

You hardly respond on-point to a dissenting opinion. If anyone is trying to shout down anyone, it's you, my friend, with your dishonest, self-pitying posts.

O2B... what, no refutation? Well, I know that won't prevent you from coming up with the same old crap very soon. I just wanted to make a point about your dishonesty. And you made it for me. Thanks!

and you said

Quote:
Like , how do you type with your mouth so full , Ms. Reasoned Debate ?

BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH!!!!

Do you EVER respond on-point?

Are you capable of responding on-point?

Piece of advice: If you find yourself in a hole, stop digging. M'kay?

KWICKO

Tuesday, July 28, 2009 4:23 PM

Just to bring everyone up to speed, this is where we left off:

Quote:

Kwicko wrote:

So I'll ask again, since I see you're dodging the question I asked earlier:

Where and when did I try to restrict anyone's free speech? Where and when did I try to get anyone banned, as you claimed earlier? Show me the posts, show me the threads, or admit that you're lying (which you most definitely are) and making shit up out of pure desperation.

Show me where I tried to have anyone banned. Put up or shut up!

Whassamatta, Out2Lunch? No response? No "proof" of what you claim is true?

It's okay to admit you're a liar. It really won't come as a shock to anyone.

Mike

Build a man a fire and he'll be warm for a day...
Set a man on fire and he'll be warm for the rest of his life.

If it wasn't for my horse, I wouldn't have spent that year in college...

KWICKO

Tuesday, July 28, 2009 10:41 PM

While Out2Lunch ponders his response and readies himself to admit that he's been lying, here's more news the "birthers" won't be able to accept:

Quote:

Hawaii again declares Obama birth certificate real
(AP)

By JAYMES SONG, Associated Press Writer – Tue Jul 28, 1:54 am ET

HONOLULU – State officials in Hawaii on Monday said they have once again checked and confirmed that President Barack Obama was born in Hawaii and is a natural-born American citizen, and therefore meets a key constitutional requirement for being president.
They hoped to stem a recent surge in the number of inquiries about Obama's birthplace.
"I ... have seen the original vital records maintained on file by the Hawaii State Department of Health verifying Barack Hussein Obama was born in Hawaii and is a natural-born American citizen," Health Director Dr. Chiyome Fukino said in a brief statement. "I have nothing further to add to this statement or my original statement issued in October 2008 over eight months ago."
So-called "birthers" — who claim Obama is ineligible to be president because, they argue, he was actually born outside the United States — have grown more vocal recently on blogs and television news shows.
Fukino issued a similar press release Oct. 31, but was prompted to speak out again because of the renewed attention on Obama's beginnings. Hawaii's Health Department has been flooded in recent weeks with questions from individuals and several national TV news networks asking for proof that Obama was indeed born in Hawaii.
"They just keep asking over and over and over again," Health Department spokeswoman Janice Okubo said.
The Constitution states that a person must be a "natural-born citizen" to be eligible for the presidency. Birthers contend that Obama's birth certificate is a fake, and many say he was actually born in Kenya, his father's homeland. They've challenged his citizenship in court.
One widely circulated YouTube clip of a town hall meeting showed a Republican congressman getting booed for saying Obama is a citizen. Talk show host Rush Limbaugh and CNN's Lou Dobbs have also raised the issue, and 10 Republican members of Congress co-sponsored a bill that would require future presidential candidates to provide a copy of their original birth certificate.
However, it appears Congress has moved on and has accepted Obama's island birthplace. The U.S. House on Monday unanimously approved a resolution recognizing and celebrating the 50th anniversary of Hawaii becoming the 50th state. A clause was included that reads: "Whereas the 44th President of the United States, Barack Obama, was born in Hawaii on August 4, 1961."
State law bars the release of a certified birth certificate to anyone who does not have a tangible interest.
However, Obama's birth certificate along with birth notices from the two Honolulu newspapers were brought forward even before he took office. But that's done nothing to shake the belief by many Obama critics that the president was born abroad.

Read the full story at

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20090728/ap_on_re_us/us_obama_birth_certifi
cate

KWICKO

Wednesday, July 29, 2009 5:09 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by Hero:

I am now of the opinion that the question needs to be settled, so it is my hope that soldiers will continue to challenge the President in such numbers until he produces the document.

So you're officially NOT in favor of the nation rallying behind the President? Seems to me that was one of the big issues with the righties under Bush - that whether you agreed with his post-9/11 stance or not, we should all rally behind the Commander In Chief. To do otherwise was to act in a way that was, and I quote, "un-American".

Why must you hate the troops so, "Hero"? Why do you not want them to get the needed reinforcements and replacements? Why are you calling for large-scale mutiny by soldiers against the Commander In Chief?

And by the way, I've never seen Dubya's birth certificate. Guess that means we were never legally in Afghanistan in the first place, eh? I mean, I *KNOW* we never had any legal basis for invading Iraq, so that's a no-brainer. But we need to immediately pull all our troops out of Afghanistan as well, since you can't prove that Bush was ever legally the President.

Mike

Build a man a fire and he'll be warm for a day...
Set a man on fire and he'll be warm for the rest of his life.

If it wasn't for my horse, I wouldn't have spent that year in college...

RUE

Wednesday, July 29, 2009 5:25 PM

"Whassamatta, Out2Lunch? No response? No "proof" of what you claim is true?

It's okay to admit you're a liar. It really won't come as a shock to anyone."

Well, on a continuum of disordered thinking, there's PN, then Rap, then OutToLunch, with Rap and OTL pretty close on the scale. You may have noticed every now and then each can get even more - how shall I say it - incoherent- than usual. They spew the tangled mess that is their mind. It's interesting to me. So THAT'S what's been in there all this time.

***************************************************************

Silence is consent.

KWICKO

Saturday, August 1, 2009 1:36 AM

Just a quick bump in case Out2Lunch looks in over the weekend. It's been the better part of a week now, and he hasn't brought forth one shred of evidence that I - or ANYONE - has ever tried to have him banned from this site.

He did pop his pumpkin-sized head up in another thread on Wednesday, but when I brought up his lying and asked for his "proof", he ran away yet again.

Quote:
Originally posted by Kwicko:

Quote:

That's why you don't get or entertain grandiose notions , like 'Free Speech'...

So I'll ask again, since I see you're dodging the question I asked earlier:

Where and when did I try to restrict anyone's free speech? Where and when did I try to get anyone banned, as you claimed earlier? Show me the posts, show me the threads, or admit that you're lying (which you most definitely are) and making shit up out of pure desperation.

Show me where I tried to have anyone banned. Put up or shut up!

Seems you have a problem with free speech, at least when it comes to someone using it to shoot down your ridiculous claims, outright lies and utter bullshit.

Mike

Build a man a fire and he'll be warm for a day...
Set a man on fire and he'll be warm for the rest of his life.

If it wasn't for my horse, I wouldn't have spent that year in college...

BIGDAMNNOBODY

Saturday, August 1, 2009 6:10 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by Kwicko:
Just a quick bump in case Out2Lunch looks in over the weekend. It's been the better part of a week now, and he hasn't brought forth one shred of evidence that I - or ANYONE - has ever tried to have him banned from this site.

He did pop his pumpkin-sized head up in another thread on Wednesday, but when I brought up his lying and asked for his "proof", he ran away yet again.

So, why is it so important to you?

RIVERDANCER

Saturday, August 1, 2009 6:33 PM

Yeah, Kwicko, why is the truth so important to you? I mean, gawd!

KWICKO

Saturday, August 1, 2009 7:59 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by BigDamnNobody:
Quote:
Originally posted by Kwicko:
Just a quick bump in case Out2Lunch looks in over the weekend. It's been the better part of a week now, and he hasn't brought forth one shred of evidence that I - or ANYONE - has ever tried to have him banned from this site.

He did pop his pumpkin-sized head up in another thread on Wednesday, but when I brought up his lying and asked for his "proof", he ran away yet again.

So, why is it so important to you?

Since you brought it up again, why is it so important to YOU?

BIGDAMNNOBODY

Saturday, August 1, 2009 11:18 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by Kwicko:
Since you brought it up again, why is it so important to YOU?

It's not.
You don't see me hounding you about your media not affecting today's youth comment.
How about Rue leaving her non-surprise thread when a few Poster's disagreed with her premise with the links to back it up.
You still haven't apologized for calling me a racist. A complete lie which you tried stawmanning my argument with.
I was just curious, why the double standard? Why not let other's off the hook as has been done for you?

KWICKO

Saturday, August 1, 2009 11:47 PM

Quote:
You still haven't apologized for calling me a racist. A complete lie which you tried stawmanning my argument with.

Quote:
You don't see me hounding you about your media not affecting today's youth comment.

No, instead I see you "hounding" me about you being called a racist. BTW, I *did* apologize for that. Twice. I told you I was sorry I mistook you for a racist, when clearly you're an authoritarian lapdog. Maybe you haven't gotten that far in the thread yet. I'll wait.

And by the way, why is it so important to you?

Quote:
I was just curious, why the double standard? Why not let other's off the hook as has been done for you?

I'm curious, too: why do YOU have a double standard? Why are you so willing to let "other's" off the hook, yet you keep following me from thread to thread hounding me...

BIGDAMNNOBODY

Sunday, August 2, 2009 12:15 AM

Quote:
Originally posted by Kwicko:
No, instead I see you "hounding" me about you being called a racist. BTW, I *did* apologize for that. Twice. I told you I was sorry I mistook you for a racist, when clearly you're an authoritarian lapdog. Maybe you haven't gotten that far in the thread yet. I'll wait.

Thank-you.
This is the first time you apologized. Your other attempt in the thread was a poor excuse at deflecting.

Quote:
Originally posted by Kwicko:
And by the way, why is it so important to you?

Trying to keep you on your toes.

Quote:
Originally posted by Kwicko:
I'm curious, too: why do YOU have a double standard? Why are you so willing to let "other's" off the hook, yet you keep following me from thread to thread hounding me...

I don't quite know. Something about you just rubs me the wrong way, I guess.

KWICKO

Sunday, August 2, 2009 2:20 AM

In other words, you've got nothing.

BIGDAMNNOBODY

Sunday, August 2, 2009 3:12 AM

Quote:
Originally posted by Kwicko:
In other words, I've got nothing.

Fixed that for you. And yet you still post as if the one with the most post's wins or something.

KWICKO

Sunday, August 2, 2009 3:46 AM

Quote:
Originally posted by BigDamnNobody:

I've got nothing.

There, fixed that for you.

Quote:

And yet you still post as if the one with the most post's wins or something.

And yet you still respond to my every post as if that "make's" you the winner or something.

BTW, nice try at deflection.

BIGDAMNNOBODY

Sunday, August 2, 2009 3:57 AM

Quote:
Originally posted by Kwicko:
And yet you still respond to my every post as if that "make's" you the winner of something.

Pot, meet kettle.

KWICKO

Sunday, August 2, 2009 12:15 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by BigDamnNobody:
Quote:
Originally posted by Kwicko:
And yet you still respond to my every post as if that "make's" you the winner of something.

Pot, meet kettle.

Did you just call me black?

KWICKO

Thursday, August 6, 2009 3:35 AM

Back to the topic at hand - the Obama birth certificate.

Head Birther Orly Taitz, internet dentist, has FOUND Obama's REAL birth certificate, from Kenya. Or Zanzibar. Or Australia. Or somewhere definitely NOT Hawaii or anywhere else in the U.S.

Too bad the one she tried to enter into evidence is a poorly-done forgery, though...

From Salon.com:

Quote:
Orly Taitz responds to forgery charges
Orly Taitz, the birther lawyer who released the document that was supposedly a copy of President Obama's Kenyan birth certificate, has now taken to her blog with an angry screed in response to the evidence that her find is in fact a poorly done forgery.

Referring to the discovery that the purportedly Kenyan document was almost certainly based on a copy of a birth certificate issued for an Australian man, David Jeffrey Bomford, Taitz writes, "Recently Obama’s thugs in main stream (sic) media came up with this Bomford report in order to stop my efforts in exposing and prosecuting Obama. Though typically I don’t have time to waste on each and every dumb obot, since it got to National TV and my children's friends called my children, I’ll spend a few minutes to debunk the obots." She continues:

1. Kenya became an independant (sic) country in 1963, not 1964. The seal of Kenya was correct ...

Except that it wasn't. And isn't.

Quote:

5. Bomford report was created to try to discredit my efforts

Yup, once again Obama sends his agents back in time to discredit the birthers. Seems Bomford's Australian birth certificate has been online on archives.org since at least 2007.

Quote:

6.lastly, I am not supposed to waste my time and money on this issue, Obama us the one who is supposed to provide evidence of legitimacy

And according to the U.S. government, he has. It's interesting that someone who claims to be a lawyer (and on her website, she even claims to be certified to appear before the U.S. Supreme Court!) knows so little about the law. If you accuse somebody, you're supposed to prove them guilty; it's not on them to prove their innocence.

Of course, this is also the same woman who claimed on MSNBC that Obama isn't a citizen because both of his parents weren't citizens, which she says in a constitutional requirement for citizenship. Obviously, she's never read the "natural-born citizen" clause nor the Fourteenth Amendment to the Constitution of the United States.

Now, she DOES claim to be certified to appear before the Supreme Court of the United States, and on her website she even has a picture of her "certificate" which entitles her to do so. Only thing is, that certificate is a forgery. You know how I can tell? Because I haven't held it in my own hands! She refuses to come to my house and show it to me, and I've demanded repeatedly that she do so! What has she got to hide? WHAT IS SHE HIDING?!

Quote:

7. Kenyan BC provides more info than the piece of garbage Obama posted on the net, which doesn’t have the name of the hospital, name of the doctor or signatures.

8. Chioumi Fukino (sic) and Obama and all their Nazi Brown Shirts in the main stream media need to give it a rest and provide an original hospital BC and the corresponding big thick hospital Birthing file from the Kapiolani hospital. If they don’t have such a file, all of them need to resign immediately or they will be prosecuted for massive fraud and treason to this Nation. (in case you didn’t know, treason carries punishment of life in prison or death penalty).

Correct me if I'm wrong, but isn't threatening the President of the United States with death a crime?

Quote:

A couple of points: It's true that Kenya became an independent country in 1963, not 1964. No one's denying that. The real issue, which Taitz avoids, is that the document she released is marked as having come from the Republic of Kenya in February of 1964, when the country was actually known as the Dominion of Kenya -- it wasn't a republic until 10 months later.

And according to some sources, Mombassa was actually a part o

KWICKO

Friday, August 7, 2009 4:25 AM

Just a quick bump in case Out2Lunch looks in over the weekend. It's been the better part of TWO WEEKS now, and he hasn't brought forth one shred of evidence that I - or ANYONE - has ever tried to have him banned from this site.

He HAS popped his pumpkin-sized head up here and there, but when I brought up his lying and asked for his "proof", he ran away yet again.

At this point, I can only surmise that he has no such evidence (because I've never done what he claims), and is too much the coward to just step forward and admit that he was lying out of desperation and a desire to try to smear someone he couldn't win a rational debate with.

Mike

Sweeping generalizations are always wrong!

KWICKO

Friday, August 7, 2009 5:00 AM

By the way, here's the "real" birth certificate posted by internet dentist and online lawyer Orly Taitz:

http://orlytaitzesq.com/obama-certified-copy-of-registration-of-birth-
in-kenya.htm

Oddly, one of the birfer arguments against Obama is that his mom was not old enough to confer citizenship to her son if he were born outside the U.S. That allegation is not supported by the poorly-made forgery posted on Taitz's website, since it lists her age as "18 years" - surely old enough to confer citizenship!

It's also kind of funny that this "birth certificate" provides exactly NONE of the information that birfers dismiss the ACTUAL birth certificate from Hawaii for not providing. And this one has the added advantage of being filled out three years AFTER Obama's birth, in a city that wasn't in Kenya then...

Look at all the pixelation around so much of the lettering. Looks to be not only a photochop job, but a really, really lousy one at that.

The self-anointed "Queen of the Birfers" has torpedoed her own case in the most amateurish of ways. And she actually tried to enter this garbage into evidence!

OUT2THEBLACK

Friday, August 7, 2009 7:53 PM

Perhaps unlike the ScamBO pRESIDENCY ,

'...The new document released by Taitz bears none of the obvious traits of a hoax.

One of the issues Taitz must deal with will be the authentication of the document. Critics immediately jumped on the Feb. 17, 1964, date for the document, explaining that the "republic" of Kenya wasn't assembled until in December of that year.

Media Matters wrote, "Sorry, WorldNetDaily: Kenya wasn't a republic until Dec. 1964."

But Kenya's official independence was in 1963, and any number of labels could have been applied to government documents during that time period.

At Ameriborn Constitution News, the researcher noted that the independence process for the nation actually started taking (place) as early as 1957, when there were the first direct elections for Africans to the Legislative Council.

"Kenya became an Independent Republic, December 12, 1963, which gives more [credibility] that this is a true document," the website stated.

The 1963 independence is corroborated by several other information sources, including the online African History.'

http://www.wnd.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.view&pageId=105764

Quote:
Originally posted by Kwicko:
By the way, here's the "real" birth certificate posted by internet dentist and online lawyer Orly Taitz:

http://orlytaitzesq.com/obama-certified-copy-of-registration-of-birth-
in-kenya.htm

Oddly, one of the birfer arguments against Obama is that his mom was not old enough to confer citizenship to her son if he were born outside the U.S. That allegation is not supported by the poorly-made forgery posted on Taitz's website, since it lists her age as "18 years" - surely old enough to confer citizenship!

'...The requirements for citizenship, and its very definition in American statute law, have changed since the Constitution was ratified in 1788. Congress first recognized the citizenship of children born to U.S. parents overseas on March 26, 1790, stating that "the children of citizens of the United States, that may be born beyond sea, or out of the limits of the United States, shall be considered as natural born citizens: Provided, That the right of citizenship shall not descend to persons whose fathers have never been resident in the United States."[8] To date, the Naturalization Act of 1790 has been the only U.S. law explicitly conferring statutory "natural born" citizenship. In 1795, Congress removed the words "natural born" from the law; the Naturalization Act of 1795 says only that foreign-born children of American parents "shall be considered as citizens of the United States."[9]

All persons born in the United States, except those not subject to the jurisdiction of the U.S. government (such as children of ambassadors or other foreign diplomats) are citizens under the Fourteenth Amendment.[10] Additionally, under sections 301–309 of the Immigration and Nationality Act (restated in sections 1401–1409 of Title 8 of the United States Code), current U.S. law defines numerous other categories of individuals born abroad, as well as people born in most U.S. territories and possessions, as being "nationals and citizens of the United States at birth."[11] The phrase "natural born citizen," however, does not appear in the current statutes dealing with citizenship at birth.

The law governing the citizenship of children born outside the U.S. to one or more U.S.-citizen parents has varied considerably over time.[12] Current U.S. statutes define various categories of individuals born overseas as "citizens at birth," including (for example) all persons "born outside of the United States and its outlying possessions of parents both of whom are citizens of the United States and one of whom has had a residence in the United States or one of its outlying possessions, prior to the birth of such person[s]."[13]

...The State Department also asserts that "the fact that someone is a natural born citizen pursuant to a statute does not necessarily imply that he or she is such a citizen fo

RIVERDANCER

Friday, August 7, 2009 8:06 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by out2theblack:
blah blah blah Kenya's official independence was in 1963 blah blah

You posted 'points' which have already been refuted earlier in the thread. That's impressive, even for you.

KWICKO

Friday, August 7, 2009 8:07 PM

That's a long, long way from your (and internet-dentist and online-lawyer Orly Taitz's) earlier claim that BOTH parents had to be U.S. citizens in order for their child to qualify for citizenship.

But thanks for proving my point.

Mike

Sweeping generalizations are always wrong!

OUT2THEBLACK

Friday, August 7, 2009 8:26 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by Kwicko:
By the way, here's the "real" birth certificate posted by internet dentist and online lawyer Orly Taitz:

http://orlytaitzesq.com/obama-certified-copy-of-registration-of-birth-
in-kenya.htm

Oddly, one of the birfer arguments against Obama is that his mom was not old enough to confer citizenship to her son if he were born outside the U.S. That allegation is not supported by the poorly-made forgery posted on Taitz's website, since it lists her age as "18 years" - surely old enough to confer citizenship!

It's also kind of funny that this "birth certificate" provides exactly NONE of the information that birfers dismiss the ACTUAL birth certificate from Hawaii for not providing. And this one has the added advantage of being filled out three years AFTER Obama's birth, in a city that wasn't in Kenya then...

Look at all the pixelation around so much of the lettering. Looks to be not only a photochop job, but a really, really lousy one at that.

Pixellation ?

That's pretty typical of old , typewritten documents...Only it wasn't called pixellation back then...

A forensic document expert would note that what Mikey calls 'pixellation' is just a characteristic of individual typewriters...

That's how document experts could tell which machines were used for creating particular documents...The idiosyncrasies of various typewriters...

You can look it up , later...

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