Post your coimments about tonight's Dollhouse episode, 'The Target'

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ZEEK

Monday, February 23, 2009 7:46 PM

Bleh I guess I'm the only one who thought this episode was worse than the first. The entire mission this time just seemed sooooo bad. Nothing in that whole setup rang true to me like something that could actually happen. It's going to get really old really quick if every week is about some mission and how it goes wrong and how echo and her handler get out of a bind.

I'm semi-curious about alpha but I'm wondering if he's really echo too. I mean we saw her in this episode looking at herself just like she was looking at alpha in the shower murder scene. If he's an implanted memory then maybe her dream was of looking at the image of what alpha thinks he looks like.

All in all I still don't like the premise of the show. It takes up a lot of the episodes and so far it is not impressing me at all.

WASHNWEAR

Monday, February 23, 2009 8:24 PM

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Originally posted by Zeek:
Bleh I guess I'm the only one who thought this episode was worse than the first...

Oh, I wouldn't say that...that you're the only one, that is.

I always try to bear in mind that the first season - hell, even the first two seasons - of any show can be a little rocky, but that consideration alone was not enough to stay my remote-hand the other night. Because it's Joss, and (mostly) because success for Dollhouse might raise the metaphorical waters in which the Firefly we call Serenity floats...I will keep watching. Or that's the plan, anyway.

I know Joss's concepts and story arcs take a while to develop and play out, and I can see where he's getting the groundwork laid in this series for all that to happen. I got no problem with any of that. But in both eps so far there's been too much straining of the willing suspension of my easily-aroused disbelief.

Or maybe I just need my sci-fi and strong determined women mixed with six-guns...oh, frak - I'm a closet Western-o-phile!

It was like that when we got here!

ZEEK

Monday, February 23, 2009 9:02 PM

I think that you said it better than I could Washnwear. I'm spending so much energy suspending disbelief that the ground work being done just isn't enough to save the show for me right now. Since it's Joss I'll keep watching hoping for a good payoff later.

Does anyone know how the ratings worked out? Is Dollhouse even going to be around next week to keep watching?

CLJOHNSTON108

Monday, February 23, 2009 9:36 PM

On Friday I'd just gotten the official news that The Middleman has, in fact, been cancelled, so watching Matt Keeslar give up the ghost at the end sorta had a double meaning for me.

All in all, I liked the episode, but Echo seemed a whole lot more physically adept at the beginning of the engagement, when they were kayaking and rockclimbing, than she was later.
I realize she was in a blind panic over being hunted, but it was suddenly like she had never had any athletic coordination, or as if she'd never set foot in the woods before.
Maybe that's just me.

I kept thinking, "Well, if they're not gonna default 'em with ninja skills (because of Alpha), at least default 'em with MacGyver skills!"

ASARIAN

Tuesday, February 24, 2009 12:10 AM

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I liked better than the pilot, which isn't unusual for me and Joss shows.

While I enjoyed last Friday's episode, I'm having issues with the core themes of the show.

I know it's just getting started and I will, as always, give Joss and team time to develop, but with nearly all of his other creations, there's something underlying about the females he writes, the sex that they have, and roles that they carry that strike me as unsettling.

I guess I have an issue with programmable people and yes, I know that I'm supposed to have a problem with it, it's supposed to make me uneasy, but at least in the pilot episode it dealt with hiring her out to save someone or perform an actual function, other than just sex.

I agree. In the second episode, when Echo was telling about the guy on her last 'date,' I admit I cringed. The idea of her being used by some fat fuck to get his jollies off really didn't sit well with me. Not because the guy was overweight, of course, but simply because, at that moment, you truly see the abuse for what it is, in its naked form (no pun intended). Even with Inara, you can dress it up with tea-parties and civilized conversation, but the bottom line is still about sex. Yet, like you say, Inara, at least, has a choice (even if she's in denial, cuz it would still be her choice to deny it). But Echo? In her own words, "I really don't have a choice, do I?" She's essentially being coerced into either (presumably) going to jail for something she apparently did -- whilst only trying to make a difference -- and now can choose between either doing hard time or becoming peeps' programmable sex toy. Adella tries to sell her on how nothing is what it appears to be. But Echo, again, got it pegged properly: "It seems pretty clear to me."

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It makes me very uneasy that there are so many people standing around, helping the process happen.

Makes me uneasy, too. Even Boyd, allegedly a good guy, still plays along. Not merrily, perhaps, but he's nonetheless still every bit as co-pimping her as the rest of the gang. Harper... err, I mean Topher (I wonder why I made that connection) doesn't seem endowed with an overabundance of conscience, either. At least Boyd can hardly look her in the eye without feeling guilt. If, as your nick suggests, there's such a thing as instant karma, then I hope these folks have their rendez-vous with destiny soon. :) After all, as Mal said, Wheel never stops turning.

As for the pilot, not sure why people are so down on it. I truly liked it. :) Echo pulled off her role as professional negotiator masterfully; and the whole theme served as a good manner to introduce the notion that unforeseen complications can arise from these imprints. At the end of the day, I guess I simply just like Echo. Dunno why. And no, not just because she's pretty. All the girls in the Dollhouse are, after all; but Echo is strong, too. In a way you could say that Echo succeeds where Sarah Connor (in TSCC) fails: John's mom is always angry -- and even when she's not angry, she still looks angry. And she irritates me. I guess they meant her to appear serious that way. Eliza, on the other hand, I really like. She can look real serious too, yet manages to accomplish such sans radiating all this negativity (the way Sarah does). Yep, gonna stick with Eliza for a while. :)

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"Mei-mei, everything I have is right here." -- Simon Tam

CHRISISALL

Tuesday, February 24, 2009 12:32 AM

The "Dollhouse" is actually a pretty sick organization, IMO.

"Thanks." -Hero, 2009

The laughing Chrisisall

INSTANTKARMAGIRL

Tuesday, February 24, 2009 1:23 AM

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In a way you could say that Echo succeeds where Sarah Connor (in TSCC) fails: John's mom is always angry -- and even when she's not angry, she still looks angry. And she irritates me. I guess they meant her to appear serious that way. Eliza, on the other hand, I really like. She can look real serious too, yet manages to accomplish such sans radiating all this negativity (the way Sarah does). Yep, gonna stick with Eliza for a while. :)

I quite agree. And I appreciate your thoughts on the other issues Dollhouse raises as well.

One more thing...Female power in this show seems to come from men giving the females (and males, yet that hasn't been explored yet) the power, which to me, negates the very idea of being a powerful female.

Don't think I said that right, but I'm still mulling over Joss's crazy ideas.

Can't we just have a crew of crazy criminals flying around space talking like they're in a Western again? Geez. Joss has to make things SO complicated now a days!

~**~
"How come you're flying about with us brigands? I mean, shouldn't you be off bringing religiosity to the Fuzzie-Wuzzies or some such?"~Cap'n Mal

ASARIAN

Tuesday, February 24, 2009 2:01 AM

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I quite agree. And I appreciate your thoughts on the other issues Dollhouse raises as well.

And right back at ya. :) I'm glad you brought up a matter that was bothering me, too.

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One more thing...Female power in this show seems to come from men giving the females (and males, yet that hasn't been explored yet) the power, which to me, negates the very idea of being a powerful female.

Very true. Yet when Echo was being chased, I just felt her inner strength, is all. Not sure it's power per se (in the sense of who dominates who), but more like innate, unalienable character. Could be that was just Eliza's strong acting, but I feel Echo has that selfsame inner strength, too. And it will be her ticket out. At least I'm rooting for her to have it be so. :)

At the end of the day, I think the Dollhouse will have to come down. Not that every story necessarily needs to have a happy ending, but to let the Dollhouse story progress in a direction other than its ultimate dissolution, just seems immoral to me. I mean, I just can't imagine Joss wanting to send out a message like this sorta thing is okay.

And then Echo will shoot someone. And their puppy. And they had it coming. :)

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"Mei-mei, everything I have is right here." -- Simon Tam

ASARIAN

Tuesday, February 24, 2009 6:04 AM

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On Friday I'd just gotten the official news that The Middleman has, in fact, been cancelled,"

Wow. I guess eliminating the middleman is as simple as it sounds. :)

They best not do that to Dollhouse.

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"Mei-mei, everything I have is right here." -- Simon Tam

JONGSSTRAW

Tuesday, February 24, 2009 1:05 PM

The ratings for Dollhouse for last Friday were bad. Overall viewers dropped by 500,000 from the Pilot week. This cannot be good. I hope Fox hangs in there with this despite the falling numbers.

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