Tonight's Angel was Beautiful

POSTED BY: Knibblet
UPDATED: Friday, February 13, 2004 15:54
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STEVE580

Saturday, February 7, 2004 6:57 AM

Agh! Double post!

DRAKON

Saturday, February 7, 2004 5:02 PM

When Harmony was smackin Eve, and Eve gave in soo quickly, did anyone else here a little voice in the back of their heads "I was gonna get me an ear, too."

"Wash, where is my damn spaceship?"

DRAKON

Saturday, February 7, 2004 5:14 PM

Not so sure it did. We know that he wanted W&H back, from Angel. But does that mean he was evil? Or simply anti-Angel?

Wife has a theory that we are gonna see more of Eve. And that she will turn out to be "Daddy's Little Girl", the favorite child of a senior partner. Possibly even the kid that they swapped Conner for.

We'll see.

"Wash, where is my damn spaceship?"

WINTERFELL

Saturday, February 7, 2004 5:40 PM

so... locking that room full of lawyers in with darla and dru to kill was just jim dandy with you?

besides... when you become a vampire you first have to be drained of most of your blood.. then conciously make the descision to drink from the vampire who drained you.. so in a way.. you are making the choice to become the vampire.. that is why you are losing your soul and allowing the demon to enter.. so again.. you deserve it.

plus.. after you get your soul back.. you're still half demon and not a peaceful one.. you have to conciously make the decision every day not to drink human blood and kill things.. you see angel when they fed him just a tiny bit of connor's blood? he was getting seriously evil fast.. the point is.. if you really wanted to do some good, some would argue that you should stake yourself to kill the demon within.. as darla did when connor was born.

GTHING

Saturday, February 7, 2004 6:08 PM

I too loved “You’re Welcome”. I especially enjoyed its nods to Season 1 episodes. So what if Season 1 is my least favorite of Angel’s seasons, it was a real nice gesture anyway. My only complaints about Season 1 are it was uneven and it lacked the imagination we would see in later episodes. I still rate “Soul Purpose” and “Destiny” a little higher for this season’s episodes, but “You’re Welcome” ranks up there as well.

“You’re Welcome” is about where our heroes started and where they have gone. I love the idea of making Angel discover on his own why he became involved in this ultra-weird thing with Wolfram and Hart. He really wanted to make a difference. This was a card life dealt him, and it is his destiny to make the most of it.

Oh yeah, Harmony duking it out with Eve! That was cool too!

Excerpt from My Genre Geek Resume:
~huge Odyssey 5 fan (despite its cancellation)
~dangerously obsessed with BtVS and Angel
~former Andromeda fan

KALATHENA

Saturday, February 7, 2004 9:12 PM

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Originally posted by Drakon:
Not so sure it did. We know that he wanted W&H back, from Angel. But does that mean he was evil? Or simply anti-Angel?

Good point. I HOPE that there is more complexity to his character than hell-bent-on-revenge. I wanted to believe he wasn't evil anymore, but I'm just not so sure.

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Wife has a theory that we are gonna see more of Eve. And that she will turn out to be "Daddy's Little Girl", the favorite child of a senior partner. Possibly even the kid that they swapped Conner for.

Interesting theory, but this is one I SERIOUSLY hope is not true. The only other time I've ever found a character as annoying as Eve was when they had the Lila & Gavin dynamic going on. I really just cringed every time I saw Lila during that time, and not in a good way. I feel about Eve the same way. It's not an "Oh no! What's she going to do *now*?" kind of cringe, but a "Gods, I hope this scene is short so I can pay attention again." kind of cringe. I don't find her funny; I don't find her scary; I don't find her intriguing. I just want her off the screen as quickly as possible so I can go back to being entertained.

I am *praying* we have seen the last of Eve. I won't hold my breath because there are a butt load of loose ends about her, but the less screen time she has the better I'll feel.

--Kala

KNIBBLET

Sunday, February 8, 2004 11:19 PM

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Originally posted by Winterfell:
so... locking that room full of lawyers in with darla and dru to kill was just jim dandy with you?

Hell yeah. Dandy fine, ducky, yippee skippy and praise worthy!!

They deserved anything they got. They were W&H lawyers celebrating all the evil that W&H was. They deserved NOTHING more.

Just because you're human, doesn't mean you don't deserve to die at the hands of the evil you seek to let loose on the rest of the world.

WINTERFELL

Monday, February 9, 2004 12:24 AM

"Hell yeah. Dandy fine, ducky, yippee skippy and praise worthy!!

They deserved anything they got. They were W&H lawyers celebrating all the evil that W&H was. They deserved NOTHING more.

Just because you're human, doesn't mean you don't deserve to die at the hands of the evil you seek to let loose on the rest of the world."

it seemed that the rest of Angel Investigations wholeheartedly disagreed with (you and) Angel and called him on it.. I am going to have to go with my man Wes on this one and say, no.. it was wrong to do what he did.

you can't just murder all the worlds evil and wash yer hands and say.. ok done..

STEVE580

Monday, February 9, 2004 5:17 AM

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You can't just murder all the world's evil and wash yer hands and say.. ok done..

Uh...actually, I vote you can.
People are sentenced to die every day for crimes they commited, and I'm sure not one of them did anything as bad as the people in that room. Why was Wes upset with Angel? Because it wasn't a heroic thing to do, certainly. Perhaps it was even morally questionable, they waey some people consider the death penalty to be. But evil? Hell no.

So becoming a vampire was a bad choice for Angel; we all make bad choices. If Angel is evil, then I've never met anyone who isn't.

As far as the 'demon inside', that part is evil. But, generally, Angel keeps control of it.
Even so, do you really thing their world would be a better place if Angel staked himself? Is that the heroic thing to do?

And what of Spike - what evil did he do? As a vampire with a soul, he's done only good, and as a man, he was a decent guy, taking care of his elderly mother and what not. Hell, even for the latter part of being a souless demon, he fought for good. That's pretty signifigant, to me.
-Steve

WINTERFELL

Monday, February 9, 2004 10:59 AM

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Originally posted by Steve580:
Uh...actually, I vote you can.
People are sentenced to die every day for crimes they commited, and I'm sure not one of them did anything as bad as the people in that room. Why was Wes upset with Angel? Because it wasn't a heroic thing to do, certainly. Perhaps it was even morally questionable, they waey some people consider the death penalty to be. But evil? Hell no.

So becoming a vampire was a bad choice for Angel; we all make bad choices. If Angel is evil, then I've never met anyone who isn't.

As far as the 'demon inside', that part is evil. But, generally, Angel keeps control of it.
Even so, do you really thing their world would be a better place if Angel staked himself? Is that the heroic thing to do?

And what of Spike - what evil did he do? As a vampire with a soul, he's done only good, and as a man, he was a decent guy, taking care of his elderly mother and what not. Hell, even for the latter part of being a souless demon, he fought for good. That's pretty signifigant, to me.
-Steve

you seem to be applying your oppinions selectivly to the characters you like best to manipulate your argument. If I go by what you have already stated, then the lawyers angel left to die weren't evil either. They simply made a few poor choices about who to work for.. that would mean angel made the "poor choice" of letting innocent people die.. in fact, lets take it further.. darla and dru can't be held responsible for the demon's "poor choice" of killing those folks either so they aren't evil either.. in fact.. I am really not sure what angel is doing fighting these innocent people who make "poor choices" every day either.. makes him seem evil.. but i suppose that's just another poor choice.. so we can't villify that either.. looks like evil really doesn't exist at all.. just normal folk making bad choices. end of series.

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