Tonight's Angel was Beautiful

POSTED BY: Knibblet
UPDATED: Friday, February 13, 2004 15:54
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STEVE580

Friday, February 6, 2004 12:12 PM

I'm currently watching seasons 1, 4, and 5 of Angel simultaneously, and it was less than a week ago that I saw the ep with Doyle’s tape. I thought it was awesome that they brought it back again.

This episode was really, really good. I love this whole season; got kinda nervous when Angel threatened quitting. It seems so…fresh. The good guys having the upper hand, not being the underdogs – when have you seen that before?

Someone said this ep lacked comedy, but I don’t know; I laughed out loud several times. The Harmony scenes, for one; and the scene where Spike agrees to help. I particularly like the one with Harm, because it was the first time that she was ever really an important member of the group.

Then the fight with Angel and Lindsey was cool. I loved the end: “I’m Angel. I beat the bad guys.” It was so simple; he beats the bad guys.

Then they all went out for drinks at the end…it made them seem like a cohesive unit, perhaps for the first time. I really hoped Cordellia was going to stay at the end, though I knew she wouldn’t. When at first, it seemed as though she had no good reason to leave, I got a bit upset with the writers: why would she abandon them? Then the phone call; that was great.

So yeah, great episode.

And hey, Cecil: You’re welcome.

-Steve

STEVE580

Friday, February 6, 2004 12:17 PM

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Originally posted by Winterfell:
...Angel and spike deserve any misery they get.

Whaaah...how do you figure? Because their bodies were used to commit crimes? That doesn't seem very fair...
-Steve

KALATHENA

Friday, February 6, 2004 12:52 PM

Quote:
Someone said this ep lacked comedy, but I don’t know; I laughed out loud several times.

Me, too. In fact, it was so funny that my husband asked, "Did you catch who the writer was? Is this an Espenson?" It did have that "laugh your butt off till the tragic ending..." feel of an Espenson episode. Good job, David Fury!

The connections to the past they made were wonderful. This was a great fan episode without resorting to a stupid clip show. They even showed a clip and it made sense that they did! Brilliant.

I'm a little disappointed that Lindsey really did turn out to be evil. Ah well. My old theory about him trying to bring down W & H REALLY fell apart last night. However, a new and extremely chilling thought hit me just before I climbed into bed last night. I include spoiler space only because it gives away what happens to Lindsey at the end of the ep. This is pure speculation:

Select to view spoiler:

Lindsey isn't being eaten by the Senior Parnters. They're MAKING him a Senior Partner.

Kinda chills the blood, eh?

--Kala

KNIBBLET

Friday, February 6, 2004 4:32 PM

Kinda chills the blood, eh?
--Kala

Chilly Willy the Freakin Penguin, chilly.
Gads, woman, you're evil for thinking it :)

WINTERFELL

Friday, February 6, 2004 6:30 PM

"Whaaah...how do you figure? Because their bodies were used to commit crimes? That doesn't seem very fair...
-Steve"

Are you saying that Angel's and Spike's SOULS don't deserve it because they weren't present for the majority of the killing? (they have both done some pretty bad stuff even after they got thier souls back)

One could also argue that mearly surrenduring to dru and darla in the first place and becoming vampires is enough of a crime...

Wes never did

KALATHENA

Friday, February 6, 2004 6:35 PM

Heh heh. Yeah, I tend to be a bit on the evil side. Comes from being married to an author.

But you gotta admit, what Lindsey did sure would impress the sh** out of them, wouldn't it?

--Kala

LITWOLF689

Friday, February 6, 2004 9:50 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by cecil:
Your all lucky. I didnt even get to see it. A stupid college basketball game was on. I wanted to see Cordy again. Its not fair!!!!

MAL
"Nice shot."
JAYNE
(slurred)
"I was aiming for his head"

The same thing happened to me but I have found out when it will be on again.

The 'Your Welcome' 100th episode is coming on on Saturday, February 7th, at 5:00 pm.

This is when it will be where I live anyway and thats in Maryland. You might, if you can, bring up a guide on your tv and check the time but that's what time it is for me.

Enjoy the episode!!!
^-^

KURUKAMI

Saturday, February 7, 2004 12:37 AM

Quote:
But you gotta admit, what Lindsey did sure would impress the sh** out of them, wouldn't it?

I find myself wondering just what exactly Lindsey was up to. It doesn't really make sense that he'd go to all the trouble to set up Spike, break into Wolfram and Hart and all that, just to try to settle a vendetta with Angel... particularly since they parted on semi-decent terms.

Eve's assertion that there was some beastie down in that room that was (forgive my tired memory, I may be mistaken) something that was there to kill Angel if necessary similarly strikes me as off. If Lindsey wanted to kill Angel, it seems likely that he'd be able to try to do so without all the hullabaloo of the big room downstairs.

Also... was I the only one who noticed that said room looked a lot like the same big summoning room that Darla was brought back to the human world in, back at the end of Season 1? That little tidbit, combined with the weird inscribed stones on that big central plateau, makes me suspect that Lindsey had some entirely different motive... and that his getting dragged into that portal in the sky might've been just what he was hoping for. Sure, the tats that concealed him from the attentions of the Senior Partners seemed to have evaporated... but presumably he was still tremendously strong and tough, with an array of sorcerer's tricks to call upon.

I think we haven't seen the last of Lindsey this season. He had a bit too much setup time to just go *poof!* like that, particularly since it's still the middle of season 5.

History doesn't always repeat itself. Sometimes it merely shouts "Weren't you listening the first time?!?" and lets fly with a club.

KALATHENA

Saturday, February 7, 2004 2:00 AM

Yeah, I think it was the same set they used to summon Darla.

I do think there's going to be more with Lindsey, but it could just be the obsessive longing of a Christian Kane fan. The revenge plotline was way too linear for this team, though they have on occassion done a big build up to nothing.

Yes, they did leave on semi-decent terms and Lindsey seemed to be headed down a redemptive path. I was hoping they'd stick with their theme of grayness having to fight a powerful Lindsey, who actually *was* on the side of good and the Powers That Be in order to maintain what they'd gained by taking over W & H. That doesn't seem to be playing out now.

However, Lindsey did once before try to set himself on the redemptive path and failed miserably. Perhaps he's failed again only to gain what he's always wanted most: More Power.

The more I think on this, the more I think he's just got the promotion of a lifetime...or an eternity.

--Kala

STEVE580

Saturday, February 7, 2004 6:57 AM

Quote:
Originally posted by Winterfell:
"Whaaah...how do you figure? Because their bodies were used to commit crimes? That doesn't seem very fair...
-Steve"

Are you saying that Angel's and Spike's SOULS don't deserve it because they weren't present for the majority of the killing? (they have both done some pretty bad stuff even after they got thier souls back)

One could also argue that mearly surrenduring to dru and darla in the first place and becoming vampires is enough of a crime...

Wes never did

It's mentioned on the show that when you become a vampire, that just means that you leave your body, and a demonic force takes it over. So, when you return to you body, you can't be held accountably in any way for what happened while you were out.

I don't know, Spike's been pretty much heroic since the return of his soul. As for Angel, he lost his soul a couple more times; and there was that time after Darla came back. But nothing he's ever done (nothing Angel's ever done, that is; not Angelus) qualifies as 'evil'.
-Steve

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