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Wifely Duties

POSTED BY: piratenews
UPDATED: Saturday, January 9, 2010 04:47
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BYTEMITE

Thursday, January 7, 2010 2:55 AM

I'm not okay with either carrot or stick, both are compulsion still. When the donkey is tired and hungry, she may be forced to make the movement to take the carrot.

By all means, we should help the poor and impoverished improve the quality of their lives, and if getting what they need and that improved quality of life results in a demographic transition, so be it.

But I can't approve of policies that restrict people who are already hurting economically to punish them and force a change, and I can't approve of a policy of rewarding them, but only if they meet certain conditions and make certain sacrifices. Help should not be backhanded.

In regards to emotional basis. I'm discussing this issue because you care about it.

DREAMTROVE

Thursday, January 7, 2010 3:02 AM

I know way too many Chinese for this argument to make sense. No offense, but this borders on lunacy.

Also, this: Kerala.

Kerala being a success is like Sweden being a success. Hell, any independent Dravidian society automatically has a head start against anything else. These states survive the influence of socialism because they are such incredibly stable social entities themselves. That's what prevents them from degenerating into Cambodia. It's hardly an argument for socialism, it's more an argument for an independent Dravidian state. Why the hell do you think Tamil-Nadu has been struggling for this for so long?

In a situation where the indian nationalist party is the only credible opposition, it's not surprising that a lot of dravidians would vote for socialists simply because they're the only other viable option. I think to paint this as socialist paradise or a model for the rest of the world is way oversimplifying things. Dravidian states have been highly successful for millennia, this isn't something that just happened overnight. They were hell for the British to try to rule for this very reason. The East India Company (now known as the USA) tried desperatedly to exploit the region with very limited success. Elihu Yale was supposedly the ruler, but in reality could not leave his own capitol building for fear of being killed on the spot, Pondicherry was this? I forget.

But still. I digress.

The idea that this is all about the success of ZPG or that ZPG is some beneficent force and not a long standing policy of genocide is not on the same page as history.

As for China, don't even get me started.

JKIDDO

Thursday, January 7, 2010 4:18 AM

BYTE- So really this is all about insurance policies? because you haven't shown that TPTB have a compelling interest in population levels either way.

BYTEMITE

Thursday, January 7, 2010 4:21 AM

Well, no, not just insurance policies. Really any mandatory tax that hits poor families harder than others, or discriminatory policies, or a flawed education system that seals them where they're at. Or heck, really the system in general is the problem, because it only empowers a select group of people, while exploiting everyone else.

I guess if you think I haven't. I've always thought it's pretty self-evident, otherwise why would there even be a movement for population control from high up?

JKIDDO

Thursday, January 7, 2010 4:21 AM

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I know way too many Chinese for this argument to make sense. No offense, but this borders on lunacy.

So do I, and so does Rue, seeing as we work on a daily basis with mainland Chinese, including people whose parents remember the long march, and those who personally survived the Great Leap Forward. I suspect that the people YOU know were never peasants.

JKIDDO

Thursday, January 7, 2010 4:23 AM

What is it with you and population control, Byte???? I'm against regressive taxes too, but taxes are taxes, not population control.

DREAMTROVE

Thursday, January 7, 2010 8:18 AM

Regressive taxes are probably population control, population control is genocide, check the UN charter on genocide.

Want to solve the hunger problem, solve the problem, use science, don't just kill off the population. But it's too fucking obvious that one group is reducing the population of another group, and we're back to rival ape clans hitting each other over the head with sticks.

Just remove the political barriers, apply GMO science, and up the food supply, and the problem will be solved. We've already figured out that our most efficient farming is at 1% the efficiency of that of an ant hill. This means that if we can only be as smart as ants, we can support 1 trillion humans on this earth without tilling a single extra acre of land.

Before the population hits a trillion, several things will happen:

1. Nature will intervene as humans become a primary food source for the ecosystem

2. We will develop revitalization techniques that will turn deserts into farmland

3. We will colonize space.

So, no, there will never be a crushing overpopulation problem: Space is infinite.

JKIDDO

Thursday, January 7, 2010 2:29 PM

DT, at the risk of sounding harsh, your prediction is a little bit like PN's predictions. It's easy to wave your hands and say voila!, but in the history of the human species there have only been a few instances of ecological preservation on a mass scale, but MANY instances of suicide by ecocide.

AFA genocide, if you include birth control as a form of genocide.... well, that's just weird.

NIKI2

Thursday, January 7, 2010 6:12 PM

What happened to the initial discussion of "wifely duties"? I wrote this long post in Word responding to the first half of this discussion, but didn't post it when someone's post made me realize the discussion was started LONG ago and the picked up again.

So I'm still thinking in terms of the original topic, not population control, etc.

I guess the only thing I'd have to say about the newer remarks is that all the suggestions are good ones, but purely pie in the sky and in some cases just plain idiocy.

BYTEMITE

Thursday, January 7, 2010 6:36 PM

Diplomatic of you to not specify, but I know your meaning.

I was thinking this morning, if I were to ever end up in an Orwellian society with transceivers recording everyone, I would spend all my time doodling happy child-like pictures or designs on the screens with dots and slashes. And whenever I was going somewhere, I'd do a sort of funny walk, dance or skip so I just seemed like a happy nutcase with ADD.

And I would always be looking for new dots and slashes.

Such is the life of a conspiracy theorist.