Buffyverse

Missing Slayer

POSTED BY: SpikeSpiegel
UPDATED: Friday, August 27, 2004 13:34
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LITWOLF689

Thursday, February 5, 2004 12:30 AM

Watching the old seasons on DVD has made me think the same thing: Why dont they just stake Spike?

Like you said, aside from being kinda handy in a fight and some comedy relief, he has no reason to be around. In fact, when he first got the chip in, he would tell anyone anything they wanted to know about the Scooby gang if Spike thought they had even the smallest chance of taking out Buffy.

I think the only reason Buffy did not stake him was because later, he would do almost anything to protect Dawn and... well thats about it. Oh! And because Buffy wanted to have sex with him to make her feel alive... which is kinda sad.

By the way, I was not teasing you and Im sorry if you thought I was.

Is anyone going to stay up and watch the new Angel tonight? I sure am!!!

^-^

KURUKAMI

Thursday, February 5, 2004 12:39 AM

Except, of course, what about the tainted blood that he was offered in that episode, that the other vamp next door warned him about? Would it be possible that the drug in said blood had some kind of memory inhibitor along with the don't-worry-be-happies that were also in there?

History doesn't always repeat itself. Sometimes it merely shouts "Weren't you listening the first time?!?" and lets fly with a club.

KNIBBLET

Tuesday, February 10, 2004 2:42 PM

Litwolf689 wrote:
Did you ever see, in the 7th or 6th season, the episode where Spike's chip really hurts him. He tell Buffy that there are some medications that the Initiative gave him to stop the pain. We saw almost his whole time in the Initiative cell and they never once gave him anything to stop the pain. That is a good example of the writers being stupid.

We also never saw Xander take Willow's Barbie doll when they were little. We just take for granted that if Willow said he did it (and we haven't been shown that Willow is a lying, conniving Fox executive), then well, Xander was the head of the international kindergarten barbie thief brigade.

There are always going to be inconsistencies in canon. Children, we aren't talking exact science here. You can divide the square root of a slayer by the circumference of a rosewood stake and have an absolute rule.

Slayer mythology would probably only be understood by a watcher who spent his/her entire life studying ancient dusty texts. Even then, some other wise apple watcher would publish a paper in "Watcher Monthly" disputing the claims and citing even more ancient dusty books bound in human flesh.

TOMTBA2004

Friday, March 19, 2004 4:42 AM

did anyone wacth the last episode, They called all the potentials unto slayers using the Red axe then every girl who might be a slayer will be a slayer. now they have to go around and find them and explain why they have this power, becuase some would use it for evil. which i thought would make a good spin off.

later...

MISGUIDED BY VOICES

Monday, March 22, 2004 9:55 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by SpikeSpiegel:
Sure, Litwolf, I understand. All that's already been said in this thread. It's gotten down now to saying that because this logic has only appeared, apparently, in interviews with the creators, that it's bloody bad writing to have not only never explained this on the show, but to have had, as quoted above, put more than one mislead on the topic into Season Seven scripts.

Its in the show as I recall. Buffy dies, Kendra gets called. Kendra dies, Faith gets called. Buffy dies again and then comes back, and I seem to recall a chat in the Magic Box about the very issue. That probably narrows it down some, given it must involve Giles being there, and he wasn't in every episode. Anyone able to hit the nail on the head of this argument?

"I threw up on your bed"

SILVERCROSS

Wednesday, June 2, 2004 1:12 AM

I may be completely off base here, but I heard (I think in SFX magazine) that the red head (looking like Sydney in Alias Pilot) running away from Bringers (second ep, I think, series 7) was the "slayer" after Buffy died the 2nd time, that's why she could run so fast for so long. May be completely wrong though...

Jayne: "Pain is scary" (serenity)

BIKISDAD

Wednesday, June 2, 2004 3:47 AM

Quote:
Originally posted by Angeldove:

Showtime, 7.11

RONA
Excuse the newness of me, but, just
so I understand... If Buffy dies...
EVE
Well, when Buffy dies... I mean,
nobody lives forever, right?
RONA
One of us...
EVE
Gets activated, uh huh.
MOLLY
I prefer "called."
EVE
Whatever. You become the Slayer.
With the weight of the world on your
shoulders. The future of the whole
human race in your hands.

Potentials, 7.12

BUFFY:
My death is what could make you a
Slayer.

XANDER
Wow, she's...
(to Dawn)
You're a Potential. You could be the
next Slayer.

DAWN:
She (Buffy) has to die. I mean, if I ever
was the Slayer it would mean she died.

Don't forget that in the 7.11 conversation between the potentials, that the girl named "Eve" is actually the First Evil. He/She/It is deliberately trying to scare/confuse the real potentials by lying to them. So Eve saying that Buffy has to die to make one of them the new slayer doesn't mean anything.

In the next episode, when both Buffy and Dawn say something similar, that's more difficult to explain. The only thing I can think of is, at that point, the potentials don't know about Faith. Although I remember one of them saying something about a "rumour that there's another one (slayer) somewhere", they don't really know she exists and since, as far as Buffy knows, Faith is in jail for life, the Scoobies are pretending that she doesn't (exist). It's not until Faith actually shows up that they explain her origin to the potentials (Who, you'll remember, were totally confused by Faith's existence). So references by any of the Scooby Gang to Buffy having to die to create a new slayer, before Faith's appearance in "Bad Girls", were probably just meant to simplify things for the newbies.

That's my (admittedly weak) theory to explain the seeming inconsistancy in the conversations from episode 7.12. And, as I said before, the statements by Eve (the FE) in 7.11 were meant to deliberately mislead the potentials, so that is very easily explained.

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QUICKSAND

Wednesday, June 2, 2004 5:17 AM

Quote:
Originally posted by Litwolf689:
We saw almost his whole time in the Initiative cell and they never once gave him anything to stop the pain. That is a good example of the writers being stupid.

Sorry I repeated what has already been said.

^-^

Hate to burst your bubble, but this is a good example of YOU bein' stupid. ;)

Spike was LYING... because he could hurt Buffy, and didn't want anyone to know that his chip was malfunctioning.... when in all actuality, it was Buffy that was malfunctioning. "A tan at the genetic level," as Tara referred to it. There was an entire episode (after Buffy found out Spike HAD BEEN LYING) where Buffy worried that Spike could hurt her because she was no longer human.

Tara put that fear to rest.... and thus, your arguement.

Sorry 'bout that.

QUICKSAND

Wednesday, June 2, 2004 5:21 AM

This arguement is cute and all, but as someone DID post a few posts up (and was then ignored), they are ALL SLAYERS NOW. So the arguement becomes a MOOT POINT.

Besides.... You can't just kill a slayer over and over again. One death, one new slayer. That's how it seems to me, and whereas yes, the show never did SPECIFICALLY say that's how it worked, no slayer was called after Buffy, so we can assume.

And even if one WAS... the series ended on an ENTIRE PLOTLINE about how the Ways of the Watchers Council were completely idiotic, and from now on, any girl who is a potential slayer, will become one. As mentioned in passing on "Angel," Buffy, Willow, and the gang are all in different parts of the world now, training new slayers.

Sorry if you all missed that. But that's what happened.

FFFAN1

Thursday, June 3, 2004 3:58 PM

Here's a partial response to the above, from episode 7x11. It doesn't really explain, but it does indicate that the whole slayer chain has become discombobulated. It certainly helps to explain why we never heard about another slayer...

Quote:

BELJOXA'S EYE
The mystical forces surrounding the chosen line have become irrevocably altered, become unstable, vulnerable.

ANYA
Something The First did?

BELJOXA'S EYE
The First Evil did not cause the disruption, only seized upon it to extinguish the lives of the chosen forever.

GILES
Then what has caused the disruption? What—what is responsible for letting this happen?

BELJOXA'S EYE
The slayer.

Later...

Quote:

ANYA
(limping) Yeah, I just—I don't understand how Buffy's death mucked up the whole slayer mojo. You know, it's not like she hasn't died before.

GILES
It's not because she died. The Beljoxa's Eye was quite clear about that in its enigmatic way. It's because she lives. Again. Buffy's not responsible for that.

ANYA
Oh. Oh. Willow and me and Xander and Tara. We're the ones who brought Buffy back. We're—we're the reason The First is here, the reason those girls were murdered. No, it's our fault. The would would've been better off if Buffy had just stayed dead. (walks off)

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