McCain and Palin are lying whores!

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KWICKO

Tuesday, October 7, 2008 6:26 PM

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Originally posted by Jongsstraw:Who you kidding? Without AURaptor or Hero here you and the rest of the un-civil gnomes would have no one left to say Fuck You to. Of course you'd still have me, but usually I'm better to hurl a You're a fucking idiot at.

Yeah, without AwwCrapper around here, who'd call us a bunch of fucking dumbasses?

This world is a comedy for those who think, and a tragedy for those who feel.

Trolls Against McCain!

JONGSSTRAW

Tuesday, October 7, 2008 6:35 PM

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Originally posted by chrisisall:
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Originally posted by Jongsstraw:

Who you kidding? Without AURaptor or Hero here you and the rest of the un-civil gnomes would have no one left to say Fuck You to. Of course you'd still have me, but usually I'm better to hurl a You're a fucking idiot at.
Jong, you also have your moments of civil unrest, and times when I agree not with ya, but you never resort to brainless stoogery, which AU has been amping up ever since the economic bubble burst. He's afraid now- and like a virtual cornered, injured animal, he's unapproachable, as far as politics & security go.

I just can't deal anymore- maybe when it all calms down, and who the Hell knows when that'll be?

Chrisisall

Captain Chris, Friend Chris,

Everyone these days is a bit frazzled, right? If you have money, then what do you do with it? If you're broke, how do you ever get ahead? These are very tough times indeed. It's time for all of us to find something admirable in the thing or things we despise. If not, we'll all be at each other's throats for eternity, like Lazarus. Right now, I'm feeling like McCain's going to lose in 4 weeks. What should I do? I'm also worried that my money is disappearing so that my "retirement" will now include basket boy at the supermarket when I'm 75. I'm hanging tough on all fronts. Better than jumping out the window, right? This forum is a nice distraction, but sometimes it's out of control, and that's when I bail out.

SIGNYM

Tuesday, October 7, 2008 6:38 PM

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It's all in the Resolutions. No need for me to sift through them for you.

Bullshit. You're just running away. I've sifted through them already. What you need to do is sift through them FOR YOU. SHOW US that you have a point. Quote the part of Resolution 1441 that says what YOU say it does. Stop pretending that we can't see through your pathetic avoidance tactics. We can and we do.

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Yeah, for THAT board.

I said I would get to that "later". Get a dictionary and look up that word. Oh, and by-the-by, you havent' addressed my point about Iraq coming at us with WMD. You state the Bush Admin didn't lie. I just pointed out where they did. Address that directly, or run away, showing us (once again) that your brittle, ideologically-driven viewpoint simply cannot handle plain and simple facts.

You have proven to us time and time again that you're constitutionaly incapable of facing disagreeable facts head-on. Stop the childish avoidance. Man up to reality, for heaven's sake.

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Let's party like its 1929.

RUE

Tuesday, October 7, 2008 7:23 PM

"I'm also worried that my money is disappearing so that my "retirement" will now include basket boy at the supermarket when I'm 75."

Your retirement, AnthonyT's home, my savings for my disabled family member who will probably outlive me ... one way or another we are all in this mess (except the very wealthy of course who will never lack for funds).

I have a few general comments, though.

Remember that old adage 'when you find yourself in a hole ---- stop digging' ?

People very rightly place the blame for this mess on Bush. He was handed a strong economy and a government paying down its debt - due to a very unpopular tax increase during Clinton's first administration. But that wasn't good enough for Bush (and his administration). He had to 'fix' something that wasn't broke. For his first act he bankrupted California via Enron and leashed FERC who was supposed to have overseen the energy market. (The Federal Energy Regulatory Commission released two Enron memos describing company plans to inflate energy prices during California's energy crisis of ...) He bankrupted the country through war spending that he didn't even have the honesty to put on the books. He bankrupted the country with his reckless tax cuts. He forbade the state AG's from enforcing anti-predatory lending laws. Lowered capitalization requirements allowing banks to overextend themselves on the speculative housing market.

John McCain was one of the Keating Five - remember that ? It was the Savings and Loan debacle brought about by deregulation promoted by McCain. And Phil Gramm, his economic advisor, authored the bill that eliminated firewalls between speculative investments and banks - the cause of the crisis we have today. Given what they've done and what they stand for ---

Is more of the same going to help this mess ? Or is it time to stop digging ?

Looking back, would you say privatizing Social Security as the Bush administration wanted to do would have been a good thing or a bad thing ?

And if your current retirement was Social Security rather than the stock market, would you be in better or worse shape today ?

Looking back, would you say the party line - everyone can take part in the American dream if they just unleash business to run the country - worked well or not ?

I never bought into that myself. The economy as structured is a zero-sum system - my loss is 'their' gain. That’s what profit is all about. It's like trusting your butt to the interests of a hungry shark. But my fortunes are going the way of everyone else as dictated by YOU and people like you.
So I have to ask - aside from any concern you may have for others - how has your agenda worked out for you ? Has it gone as you planned ?

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SIGNYM

Tuesday, October 7, 2008 7:34 PM

Gotta agree with you. Whether you saved or whether you didn't, whether you have a job or are unemployed, whether you own or rent or are foreclosed.... We're all in this together. (Except that top 0.01%. They have lifeboats stocked with caviar and champagne.)

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Let's party like its 1929.

JONGSSTRAW

Tuesday, October 7, 2008 7:50 PM

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Originally posted by rue:
"I'm also worried that my money is disappearing so that my "retirement" will now include basket boy at the supermarket when I'm 75."

Your retirement, AnthonyT's home, my savings for my disabled family member who will probably outlive me ... one way or another we are all in this mess (except the very wealthy of course who will never lack for funds).

I have a few general comments, though.

Remember that old adage 'when you find yourself in a hole ---- stop digging' ?

People very rightly place the blame for this mess on Bush. He was handed a strong economy and a government paying down its debt - due to a very unpopular tax increase during Clinton's first administration. But that wasn't good enough for Bush (and his administration). He had to 'fix' something that wasn't broke. For his first act he bankrupted California via Enron and leashed FERC who was supposed to have overseen the energy market. (The Federal Energy Regulatory Commission released two Enron memos describing company plans to inflate energy prices during California's energy crisis of ...) He bankrupted the country through war spending that he didn't even have the honesty to put on the books. He bankrupted the country with his reckless tax cuts. He forbade the state AG's from enforcing anti-predatory lending laws. Lowered capitalization requirements allowing banks to overextend themselves on the speculative housing market.

John McCain was one of the Keating Five - remember that ? It was the Savings and Loan debacle brought about by deregulation promoted by McCain. And Phil Gramm, his economic advisor, authored the bill that eliminated firewalls between speculative investments and banks - the cause of the crisis we have today.

Is more of the same going to help this mess ? Or is it time to stop digging ?

Looking back, would you say privatizing Social Security as the Bush administration wanted to do would have been a good thing or a bad thing ?

And if your current retirement was Social Security rather than the stock market, would you be in better or worse shape today ?

Looking back, would you say the party line - everyone can take part in the American dream if they just unleash business to run the country - worked well or not ?

I never bought into that myself. The economy as structured is a zero-sum system - my loss is 'their' gain. That’s what profit is all about. It's like trusting your life to a hungry shark. But my fortunes are going the way of everyone else as dictated by YOU and people like you.
So I have to ask - aside from any concern you may have for others - how has your agenda worked out for you ? Has it gone as you planned ?

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Silence is consent.

Not sure who you're asking these questions of, but since one line is quoted from me I will respond.

Privatization of Social Security, even voluntarily, obviously would have been a disaster for anyone.

Big business can no longer get all the breaks. They do not share the goodies with the middle class. But then again, they do provide the jobs and benefits we all need. But there has to be a middle ground so more people can prosper.

Blaming the current mess on the Keating stuff from 20+ years ago is not logical.

Some of the following is certainly worth considering, wouldn't you agree ? :

Barney Frank, Maxine Waters, Kendrick Meek, et al.....none of those fine statesmen on the Finance Committee did anything wrong? Even a video of the Committees' attack against a Fed Regulator accusing him of racism when he questioned unsound practices at Fannie is not cared about? Dem after Dem defending Fannie & Freddie doesn't matter either? Huge Fannie campaign bribes to Dems don't matter a bit? Sweetheart Countrywide loans to Senate Bank Chair Dodd don't matter? Barney Frank's long-time, well-known sexual relationship with a Fannie Mae Board Member doesn't matter?
Isn't it time for resignations from all these people?

SIGNYM

Tuesday, October 7, 2008 7:59 PM

Jongsstraw: There were, alas, many politicans on both sides asleep at the switch. If I could see the trainwreck ahead... and I'm no expert... what about politicans with all of those "staffers"? And if I can see that the bailout is a godsend ... for the wealthy... what about those who voted for it?

I agree with you: there is MUCH blame to go around. IN GENERAL, I fault the Repubs somewhat more than the Dems simply because I think Republican- pushed "deregulation" was more consequential than Fannie or Freddie. But fault isn't all on Repub shoulders. It's so widespread that it points to a SYSTEMIC problem, so entrenched that simply replacing one set of politicos with another set... even if we could do it en masse third-party... isn't going to solve it.

Later, dude. Back to work.

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Let's party like its 1929.

JONGSSTRAW

Tuesday, October 7, 2008 8:14 PM

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Originally posted by SignyM:
Jongsstraw: There were, alas, many politicans on both sides asleep at the switch. If I could see the trainwreck ahead... and I'm no expert... what about politicans with all of those "staffers"? And if I can see that the bailout is a godsend ... for the wealthy... what about those who voted for it?

I agree with you: there is MUCH blame to go around. IN GENERAL, I fault the Repubs somewhat more than the Dems simply because I think Republican- pushed "deregulation" was more consequential than Fannie or Freddie. But fault isn't all on Repub shoulders. It's so widespread that it points to a SYSTEMIC problem, so entrenched that simply replacing one set of politicos with another set... even if we could do it en masse third-party... isn't going to solve it.

Later, dude. Back to work.

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Let's party like its 1929.

The bottom line to ALL this is that the American people are making a judgement on all this as best they can. Right now, the vast majority of the bitterness and anger is directed squarely at Bush, and to all Republicans by default. To deny that would be insane. With Democrats in charge of all the legal mechanisms in Congress it will up to them to fix this mess. Based on what you know & have seen, do you think Pelosi & Reid are up to the task? I do not. I'm not completely ready to concede the election, but I'd feel a whole lot better about losing if I could at least count on the Dems to move forward with the Special Prosecutors and the Justice Dept to rev up the perp walks. I want to see prosecutions...prosecution of anyone and everyone involved, regardless of their Party.

FREMDFIRMA

Tuesday, October 7, 2008 8:15 PM

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By the way, how is it that you can support a person who thinks so little of America that they would actually marry - not "pal around with", but actually MARRY and have children with - someone who is still active in a Secessionist movement? They hate America so much that they actually want their state to break away and become its own country.

And oh the irony of belonging to the party who's deified the bastard who slaughtered untold americans to prevent it...

Still, secession is a uniquely american value - remember, as said time and time again by oh so many of our founding fathers...
"consent of the governed"

Secession is a withdrawl of that consent, and if you CAN'T withdraw it, if you're not ALLOWED to - is it really consent in the first place ?

No, it's rule of the gun, is what it is.

So I would never call secession unamerican, it's absolutely american - and little else about this mutated empire is these days.

By the way, just to panic the rightwingnuts... even Karl Rove is currently biting his nails and privately calling it for Obama 273-265, and with McCain being run out of town on a rail by Michigan, that leaves him only one possible path to win, IF everything goes his way - versus Obama having seventeen possible routes to block it.

Not lookin good for the tired old kool-aid chuggers, now is it ?

-Frem

EDIT: Regarding Barney Frank, et al - I say we fucking fire everyone involved, if not prosecute them for gross negligence.

RUE

Tuesday, October 7, 2008 8:16 PM

"Blaming the current mess on the Keating stuff from 20+ years ago is not logical."

First, I didn't blame the mess on 'the Keating stuff' (strawman). Second, McCain was censured in 1991 - not all that long ago (error of fact). Third, it shows that McCain has an agenda not in the best interests of ordinary people like me. Fourth and last, Gramm was until recently McCain's economic advisor, I'm guessing b/c they share the same philosophy (ignoring an issue).
Is it a philosophy YOU support, given how it's worked out ?

"Barney Frank, Chris Dodd, Maxine Waters, Kendrick Meek ..."

Chris Dodd is a Senator, error of fact.

McCain tried to get reforms passed IN THE SENATE in 2005. How Barney Frank and other representatives could have blocked his reforms from their minority committee positions in the HOUSE is beyond me. Further, democrats were in the MINORITY in BOTH houses at the time.
The House of Representatives didn't gain a democratic majority till 2006 . By then Fannie and Freddie BOTH had stopped acquiring toxic loans which were generated mainly in 2003 under a repubican White House AND Congress.
In the Senate terms of absolute numbers Democrats do not to this day have a majority. In terms of relative numbers the Senate is in fact evenly divided between 49 Democrats and 49 repubicans.

"... the only point about Bush is that there is no point. He is not relevant to the future."

So you are in FAVOR of continuing past mistakes because they are irrelevant to the future ? Smooth move.

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